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The "Islamic threat" was fabricated by the media to substitute the "Red threat" after the end of

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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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What I think is fantastic is that, if you cold get a time machine, and go back to 1978, and tell to people there - both from the Western countries and from countries with Muslim majority - how the world would look like 30 years in the future, they wouldn't believe you!

If you could go back to 1978 and tell to people from France, England, Iraq, Algeria or Syria that, 30 years in the future, in the 21st century, people in both "sides" will be resurrecting the old nonsense and paranoia from the times of the Crusades and of the Fall of Constantinople, NOBODY would believe you! Everyone would say: "You're kidding! It's impossible that in the 21st century, humanity can regress back to medieval times in that way!"

Sadly, it's true...




posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Well ofcourse anyone with a memory longer than a fish's will remember the whole CIA-Bin Laden funding controversy during the Afghan-Soviet wars. A lot of people in Saudi Arabia (I was brought up there), remember the return of Saudi mujahideen from Afghanistan in the aftermath of these wars and think they were so brainwashed into fighting that they felt useless and counterproductive, until they found themselves another outlet to war. Among the general populace, the blame for that goes completely to the US and the Saudi governments who helped fund these guys.

But enlighten me for a bit will you, do you think the CIA is still after the same goals as it had been 20 years ago? or is it simply a matter of things getting out of hand, like they make it seem it is?



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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I would highly recommend the reading of a things called history books. Just saying



posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 01:12 AM
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i remember someone saying a president that if there was no threat they would make one



posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 01:20 AM
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A pictures worth a thousand words,every picture tells a story and so heres how the usa operates...

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein:The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq-1980-1984 >
www.gwu.edu...


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posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 03:16 AM
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Radical Islamist started when Soviet Russia invaded Afganistan in the 80s. The tribal warlords formed the Mujahedeens to fight the Soviet occupation. Refugees seeking safety from the war crossed over to Pakistan and were taught radical Islam in the madrasah there, only to return after the Soviet pull out as the Taliban. When the Russians pulled out in 1990 it signalled the end of the Soviet era thus its just coincidence that the media now turn their attention to the Jihadist who have successfully repelled the Soviet occupation. Experienced gained showed them that you don't have to be a superpower to fight a war and with that confidence terrorism is born. Whether or not radical Islamist are a threat or not you just need to see the situation in Yala provice , Thailand. 14 people killed and 340 injured in a simultaneous roadside bombing along a busy thoroughfare yesterday 30/03/12. I think that sums it up and this is Asia not the US where you can say that the media is govt. controlled.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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I would highly recommend the reading of a things called history books. Just saying



I'm graduated in History. I have a bachelor degree.

I think you can deduce that if you read my highly informative posts in this thread. I doubt you have read all my posts in this thread...

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posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by slanteye
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Radical Islamist started when Soviet Russia invaded Afganistan in the 80s. The tribal warlords formed the Mujahedeens to fight the Soviet occupation. Refugees seeking safety from the war crossed over to Pakistan and were taught radical Islam in the madrasah there, only to return after the Soviet pull out as the Taliban. When the Russians pulled out in 1990 it signalled the end of the Soviet era thus its just coincidence that the media now turn their attention to the Jihadist who have successfully repelled the Soviet occupation. Experienced gained showed them that you don't have to be a superpower to fight a war and with that confidence terrorism is born. Whether or not radical Islamist are a threat or not you just need to see the situation in Yala provice , Thailand. 14 people killed and 340 injured in a simultaneous roadside bombing along a busy thoroughfare yesterday 30/03/12. I think that sums it up and this is Asia not the US where you can say that the media is govt. controlled.



You just forgot to say: the CIA helped in that process, and this is not a secret, since even the movie "Rambo" shows that...

Radical Islam was fomented by the CIA during the 80's but never attacked any targets in Western coutnries during the 80's. Not a single terror attack in the USA or Europe during the 80's. At that time, the only terror attacks in the West came from organizations like the Basque ETA, never from Islamic organizations.

Only after the end of the Soviet Union, we see attacks in the USA or Europe. The first one was the car bomb in the World Trade Center in 1993, exactly 14 months after the official dissolution of the Soviet Union.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by nusnus
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Well ofcourse anyone with a memory longer than a fish's will remember the whole CIA-Bin Laden funding controversy during the Afghan-Soviet wars. A lot of people in Saudi Arabia (I was brought up there), remember the return of Saudi mujahideen from Afghanistan in the aftermath of these wars and think they were so brainwashed into fighting that they felt useless and counterproductive, until they found themselves another outlet to war. Among the general populace, the blame for that goes completely to the US and the Saudi governments who helped fund these guys.

But enlighten me for a bit will you, do you think the CIA is still after the same goals as it had been 20 years ago? or is it simply a matter of things getting out of hand, like they make it seem it is?



I believe that Al-Qaeda is not totally under the control of the CIA any more, and some parts of the organization are really "out of control".

But the CIA stills control part of the organization. I have no doubt that the CIA helped to plan the 911 attacks. And I don't buy the idea that Bin Laden was "burried at the sea".

Some branches of Al-Qaeda are "out of control", but the CIA still control much of the organization.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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Your density of bad stories involving Muslims is definitely an anomaly - perhaps your friends live in impoverished areas, or other circumstances come into play. To imply that Muslims generally commit more crimes than non-Muslims demonstrates the attitude that white racists used to have towards blacks in the 50s. It teeters on the brink of Nazi ideology.

Maybe its true in your city, or even your country - but then again, perhaps Muslim in your city tend to be held back because of their religious beliefs or ethnicity and are more deprived than non-Muslims. Point is - there must be other variables, because I've lived in Muslim and non-Muslim countries and Muslims everywhere commit the same proportion of crimes as anyone else.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Great thread, and star for knowing your history. I am uniquely qualified to weigh in on this discussion, as I majored in history studying post-modern Eastern European history, along with studying WWI, WWII & the Cold War extensively. I also have several Muslim friends from Pakistan & India.

A couple of myths to dispel out of the gate. The ancient Ottoman Empire was heralded as one of the most religiously tolerant civilizations at the time. The concept known as 'Millet' was a revolutionary concept of religious pluralism. If anyone was 'the threat' during the Crusades, it was undoubtably the Christians. See here: en.wikipedia.org...(Ottoman_Empire)

Also, suicide bombings weren't invented by Arab extremists. These types of killings have existed since the advent of gunpowder, but weren't really prevalent until Japanese Kamikaze pilots started diving their ships into US carriers during WW2. This is where the suicide bombers as we know today came from. See here: en.wikipedia.org...

As some have noted on this thread, modern day terrorists were created through our proxy wars with the Soviets. In fact Bin Laden himself was trained by the CIA along with the other 'freedom fighters' to help push back the Soviets. Once the US hastily left Afghanistan in ruins after the USSR fell, that country went to hell in a handbasket. This abandonment by US forces after the Cold War started Arab discontent towards the west. Also, OBL started Al Qaeda well before present time. That term means 'The Base', and was started right after the US left as a protecting force against further communist aggression.

The 'Red Scare' is largely seen by historians as a monumental overreaction by the likes of McCarthy and others. There are many historically proven incidents of trumped up charges and blatant disinformatoin tactics used during these times. If one wants to learn more about that, simply google 'Red Scare' 'Communist Black Lists' or 'McCarthyism'. The nice thing about history is that the truth eventually comes out after decades have passed.

We are currently dealing with the same type of disinfo regarding terrorism. Note that Hosni Mubarak (recently deposed Egyptian dictator) was a US puppet that was put into power as a viable alternative to a more socialist government. Look at how that turned out. The US has a big problem on their hands as the anti-Red movement has backfired and produced less than desirable outcomes when it comes to foreign relations. Rather than fess up to the errors of prevoius US leaders, we spin these issues into more scare tactics to keep the wheels of the MIC rolling.

Lastly, I know quite a few Muslim people. They don't hate us for our freedoms. In fact, they really don't care what our daily lives consist of, much less want to destroy us over our illusions of having more freedom than they have. What they do have a problem with is that the US has been at war in the Middle East for the last 2 decades waging illegal wars that completely disregard international treaties. I can't say I blame them. So to all of you who think Muslims are the enemy, get over yourselves. I would recommend you pay as much attention to their daily lives as they do yours, which isn't much.

Again, many thanks for the thread.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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Islam is a peaceful religion. God is all law, and you cannot dent this. 2 billion people are not wrong.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by TsafirKamel

Islam is a peaceful religion. God is all law, and you cannot dent this. 2 billion people are not wrong.



Yes, you are Correct,, 2 billion people are not wrong.

I think it must also include the Christians, and Judaism followers also,,, plus the other Religions that promote the belief that their religion is the One and Only Way,,,

SO,,,, guess it is more like 3 to 4 Billion People are WRONG...

When God comes down and can twirl the Moon around in his/her hand,,, then I might Consider , your statement,
"God Is All Law" as more than a Tasteless Bad Joke that it comes across as, when written in print.
Until then,,, Join the 21st Century and tell me you were just joking,,,, right?



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by TsafirKamel
Islam is a peaceful religion. God is all law, and you cannot dent this. 2 billion people are not wrong.
Its actually around 1.5 billion muslims and theres so many of them because they are brain washed and deceived, paralyzed with hate,hypnotized by fear and threatened with death every sad and sorry step of the way,ever since they were little children.All perpetrated against them by paranoid and suspicious muslim men,in the name of an invisible man in the sky god allah,who doesnt even really exist and of course,to ensure the continuation of their relentless control and domination of their property,their servants,their pets,their supressed and too terrified to resist women... The Sword Of Militant Islam > www.masada2000.org...
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posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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I laugh in the face of your ignorance blocula, and I suggest you stop reading propaganda websites as they usually do more of that brainwashing you speak of than anyone else.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:23 PM
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Well, as I am from a post-communist country, I certainly think "Red threat" was real and did A LOT of evil. So following the same logic, is "Islamic threat" also real and dangerous?



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by nusnus
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I laugh in the face of your ignorance blocula, and I suggest you stop reading propaganda websites as they usually do more of that brainwashing you speak of than anyone else.
You can laugh all you want,as these sadistic muslim men continuously rape,torture,hang and bury women alive and blow up american soldiers and thats the brutal truth and theres nothing funny about that...



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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The only sadistic man I've ever met was my uncle who sexually harassed me throughout my childhood and he hatres religion.

As a Muslim woman growing up in a Muslim country, your accounts fall on deaf ears blocula. I know what I know from my own experience. And you need to take my advice, stop reading propaganda websites.

Yes there are Muslims out there who want to take over the world, yes Muslims come from ignorant countries as well as not so ignorant ones and yes they need enlightenment (in my eyes) more than anybody. But to bring this all on top of the religion is stupid, since well, if it was all about religion, then all the good people I have met in my life who were religious Muslims wouldn't exist.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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The red threat was a political movement limiting freedom. The islamic threat is a moral group saving society from gangster rap and the devils.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Almost...!!! the islamic terrorist threat was designed to replace "global warming ", which was designed to replace the red peril/cold war



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