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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
You ever notice these threads only go one way? The Birthers can't be convinced they're wrong and they'll never convince any sane rational people they're right.
Originally posted by ajay59
Ever notice how some try to derail by subtly changing the subject and resorting to insult? That usually means they have no leg to stand on and try to outflank!
Simple as this. If the Pres. were legit, what would be so bad about proving anything. Should he not defend himself or at least his honor when accused of criminal behavior. Okay, so he provided documentation. It has been proven reasonably doubtful to be original. It's his step now, right? Anyone of us in this position would be expected to produce clear evidence, that is what it boils down to.edit on 30-3-2012 by ajay59 because: to add
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by ajay59
No, that's not how it works. You have to prove your claims. You are the ones who are making the claims, the onus is on you to prove your claims that Obama was born in Kenya. All you're trying to do is turn the argument back, and any intelligent person can see through that trick.
And you have no proof at all.
Just confirmation bias.
There is absolutely evidence of digital alteration . But there is no evidence of forgery .
At the most fundamental level, the simple act of scanning is digital alteration . A three dimensional paper document is, through a combination of hardware and software, recreated in the form of a digital copy. Such a copy is not a forgery since it fairly and accurately represents the original in all significant details. There will always be some differences, minor and major, between the digital image and the material original. And in this way, the document is digitally altered, but it is not forged.Zebests challenge is not to demonstrate digital alterations that are already fully conceded byBirthers and Obots alike, but to make a compelling case that the alterations are the result of forgery rather than ordinary digital processes.
Forgery demands that the alterations be the result of deliberate action by one or more human beings with the intention to materially deceive.Zebest not only fails that challenge, she inexplicably fails to even notice the overwhelming evidence that the digital alterations in this PDF are the result of automatic actions by computer algorithms . They have no intention at all, but are simply following preprogrammed procedures for taking a paper document and sharing it over the Internet. This is evidence that would never have escaped the consideration of a genuine forensic digital document examiner. And it should never have escaped the consideration of a digital author with the experience of Mara Zebest.
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by FightingStupidity
I don't really know and I do ask that question myself.
Sometimes I just gotta try.
And when I try I try to go as far as I can.
Maybe someday somebody will listen.
At least it is out there in the ether somewhere.
And sometimes I just get carried away with something when I get involved.
But make no mistake. I am no Birther, and I am no Obama bot. I don't like him and I disagree with many of his policies. I always think for myself and get as many facts as I possibly can.
And try not to overload myself.
Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
This is a great story,
I have only seen this defense when,
a prostitute has a sexual transmitted infection,
that possibly could be transmitted to children.
And attorneys feel the need to protect the infected one.
The story is true,
but the names have been changed to protect the
Infected Ones!
I love this show on TV!
Originally posted by FightingStupidity
reply to post by OldCurmudgeon
Exhibit A of the mental illness I'm talking about. Like I said, it's largely pointless with these people.
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady
No but there's some beachfront property in Arizona you should buy.
And yes. It is nuts because every single legal entity in the world accepts it as legal.
And has not been proven a forgery. It is believed to be a forgery, but belief and fact are two different things.
And as i said, nobody will ever convince the birthers they['re wrong and have nothing. They suffer huge amounts of confirmation bias and will never change their mind under any circumstances.
And any BC that will be released will be declared a forgery, period, because they cannot and will not under any circumstances allow the facts to convince them otherwise.
This is just a new religion of PDS.