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Originally posted by autowrench
One thing that would lay it all to rest is denied us, curiously, why doesn't he just produce the damnable thing, and get it over with?
Originally posted by Anunaki10
Go back and watch and listen to that TV program were Rob Dew determine
So? It doesn't necessarily make him a less reliable expert
Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams
Honolulu city clerk debunks new 'birther' theory
Over the past few weeks, a Kentucky resident and teacher named Timothy Adams has made the rounds online and on talk radio with an extraordinary claim -- he was the "senior elections clerk" for Honolulu in 2008, where it was an open secret that the city and state had no proof of Barack Obama's citizenship. As he told WorldNetDaily, the racing form for birtherism:
I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity. I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Barack Obama].
I checked with Glen Takahashi, the administrator of the Honolulu City Clerk's office, and while he verified that Adams worked there, he explained – gently making it clear he did not want to "call anyone a liar" -- that Adams never actually had access to information about Barack Obama.
"Our office does not have access to birth records," Takahashi said. "That's handled by the state of Hawaii Department of Health. Where he's getting that, I don't know.
he is NOT the only expert who analyzed that "Hawaiian BC" HOAX
Originally posted by The Sword
Shouldn't you be over at PrisonPlanet or BirtherCentral or wherever you trolls hang out?
Our investigation of the purported Obama birth certificate released by Hawaiian authorities today reveals the document is a shoddily contrived hoax. Infowars.com computer specialists dismissed the document as a fraud soon after examining it.
Nathan Goulding, writing for the National Review, tells us anybody can open the White House released PDF in Illustrator and it will break out into layers. “I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home,” he writes.
Indeed, but this does not answer the question why in the Obama birth certificate PDF the layers or elements contain dates – which appear to be modified – and the signature of the state registrar. If the document was acquired from state records in whole, why was it necessary to add elements? Goulding and Brooks do not address this issue.
These layers are also revealed by the White House issued PDF’s hex file in freeware hex editor. Within its code are listed 8 image masks, which if changed from value “true” to “false” turn off and on to reveal the layers as demonstrated in the video and in Illustrator. Whether these represent compression artifacts or other digitizing processes, or whether these masks represent deliberate manipulation remains to be conclusively shown.
Government agency not cooperating with eligibility investigation.
A request for original documents by a group investigating the eligibility of president Obama has been turned down by The Selective Service System in a move that is sure to court more controversy.
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, leader of the probe into the authenticity of the now notorious Obama birth certificate, announced earlier this month that he had cause to believe that Obama’s Selective Service registration form was also a forgery.
Arpaio asked for a response from the federal agency within 30 days on whether or not it will provide a hard copy of the original document.
The Selective Service System has now replied to the request with a three-sentence letter from the office of Selective Service Director Lawrence G. Romo.
“This Agency has no evidence that President Obama’s 1980 registration is not authentic,” wrote Richard S. Flahavan, associate director of public & intergovernmental affairs.
“However, if you have any credible evidence to the contrary and believe that a Federal crime has been committed, we suggest that it be turned over immediately to the Federal Bureau of Investigation to pursue,” the letter concluded.
Unsatisfied with the agency’s response, Arpaio has addressed another correspondence to Romo.
“If your office has the original, authentic Selective Service registration form for Barack Obama from July 29, 1980, please indicate whether or not you are in possession of this document,” Arpaio wrote.
“If the document is in your possession, please make it available for inspection by my Sheriff’s Office investigators. We will travel to your facility to analyze it.”
Arpaio asked for a further response from the agency within ten days.
In his original March 19 letter, Arpaio explained that the document location number and several other identifying factors indicate that Obama’s Selective Service Form was created in 2008 and has been altered to appear as if it dates from 1980.
The Selective Service System response indicates that, much like Hawaii’s Department of Health in regard to the birth certificate, the agency is refusing to comply with requests to allow public inspection of the original document.
Arpaio has also pointed out that Obama’s original Selective Service registration has previously been released at least twice in response to Freedom of Information Act requests, so it makes NO sense for the agency to WITHHOLD the document from law enforcement officers and court-approved, forensic experts.
You say that you want Obama to be re-elected and at the same time, you participate in the birther madness. Which is it?
Originally posted by Snoopy1978
Anyway, Jones did gain credibility exposing the bohemian grove, yet isnt it suspicious that he could smuggle himself and a camera to such an event? Kinda like smuggling a gun into a g8 meeting. Virtually impossible unless secretly allowed to.
Originally posted by ajay59
Originally posted by Indigo5
This is like when Orly taitz issued her own supeona's and no one showed up
Yawn...there will always be loonies and those that give them money...
You must be referring to loonies who value things like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Or people who don't like to be led to FEMA prison camps? Or those who simply do not like that anybody from anywhere on the planet may become our leader?
Originally posted by DrJay1975
I've had some email correspondance with Arapaio and yesterday i spent five hours with rogers ferguson, a fairly prominent deputy director with the senate.
I essentially told sheriff joe he was all fluff. The media is supressing this to an extent but in reality they are supressing nothing. Its joes fault. He says he has probable cause on election fraud and forging identity documents. My question which wasnt answered was "Why not get a warrant and force him to provide the originals or outright charge him with election fraud. Makes sense right? He has all of these bullets in the gun but he wont even take the safety off. Why? He either doesnt have anything legitimate and hes just harassing the potus, he does have real evidence and hes getting his ducks in a row and dropping a nuke when the entire picture is painted or hes actually performing a task for obama. Putting out a ton of circumdtantial info hoping to destract the public and the republicans and once they get into a frenzy he springs the real docs snd makes them look stupid.
The bottom line is if he had probable cause he could get a warrant. And it would be national news. But he doesnt have anything real thats why he isnt pressing it. I wish he would because i have qualification questions i need answered.
Berg v. Obama
On August 21, 2008, Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg, a Democrat and former deputy state attorney general, filed a complaint alleging that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and was therefore a citizen of Kenya or possibly Indonesia, where he lived as a child. He alleged that the "Certification of Live Birth" on Obama's website is a forgery. U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed the complaint in October 2008, finding that Berg lacked standing to bring the case and that his attempts to gain standing to pursue his claim were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
Bypassing the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, Berg filed a petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment in the United States Supreme Court. On December 10, 2008, the Supreme Court denied Berg's request for an injunction against the seating of the Electoral College, scheduled for December 15. On December 15, 2008, the petitioner refiled the application for injunction. Two days later, Berg's appeal was denied without comment by Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy. Berg's previously denied request for an injunction was refiled with Justice Antonin Scalia on December 18, 2008. On January 12, the Supreme Court denied the petition for certiorari. The application for stay addressed to Justice Scalia and referred to the Court was also summarily denied on January 21, 2009.
On November 12, 2009, the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit affirmed the district court's ruling that Berg lacked standing.
Sibley v. Obama
Montgomery Sibley, a disbarred lawyer who once represented Deborah Jeane Palfrey (the so-called "D.C. Madam"), sued Obama in January 2012, alleging that he is not a natural-born citizen and that his birth certificate is a forgery. In March 2012, Sibley also filed his suit with the U.S. Supreme Court, stating that the district court had been "too slow" in considering his case.
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
The other glaring inconsistency is this:
The sheriff cares nothing for the Constitution.
So why would anybody want to believe such a man?
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by OldCurmudgeon
It is not an opinion, it is fact.
His practices has been declared unconstitutional in Neil vs Wake and by the Ninth Circuit.
And BTW, belief in numbers is not necessarily a truth. Especially when you consider that you are the vast minority. Most people believe that Obama is born in Hawaii and that you guys have no real proof.
So if you want a belief by numbers argument, then you should change your mind and join the majority.
To claim otherwise is a double standard.
No, belief by numbers is a poor argument period, and one I do don ascribe to.
Sorry...nothing comes up for Neil vs Wake... link please...
If you're referring to the racial profiling case against Sheriff Arpaio and the MCSO, then at the moment, yes you are correct... but that issue is far from being settled and I believe will eventually shown to be a political attack and expunged by a higher court. Give it time for all the information to come out.
It is painfully obvious that President Obama openly supports illegal immigration and has worse than done nothing has in fact has spoken openly and given support to it.
Illegal immigrants, many of them criminals and mules for drug cartels continue to pour into Arizona daily.
Then the Presidents soon to be proven criminal and minion AG Eric Holder (who will at some point go down for his approval and involvement in Fast and Furious and Obama is running hard and fast to erase his fingerprints from it and wash the blood from his hands from the border agent being killed by the illegally 'walked guns'... ) attacks the Sheriff of Maricopa County and get a ruling (which very well may be overturned in the future) and this is a continuing political battle as I type.
Now, if you mean that, it wasn't listed as Neil vs Wake in my info... but I do believe the Judge (who was appointed by President Bush) is named Neil Wake. Thus, there are politically motivated charges against the Sheriff and the MCSO.
I'll stick with the investigation as "I" do not trust nor buy the fact that politicans in Hawaii could not, would not lie, and then as a matter of interest, although there have been many forgeries to date by anti-Obama agents, the BC on the website is still a highly likely forgery.
This will not go away, and the "ONLY" way to settle this is to have the original BC viewed by an impartial panel.
I have read thru all the information by both sides, and I still support a full investigation based on probable cause.
BTW.. although always dismissed by the Obamaites, it has never helped that the President has constantly refused to produce documents which I believe in the future should and will be required.
I don't believe he is a plant or spy, and I still believe the truth is a mother wanting to insure her son was 'born in America'... not to be President, but to be born an American... and I could care less that the President has ties to Islam... and franly, being black to me was very exciting as I witnessed history and had waited for the day a black American was elected President... btw... I await the day an American woman is elected President... but just like Romney refusing to reveal his records... I and many others are sick and tired of politicans attempting to make us believe they have some special 'right' to priviacy prior to election which we do not..
And while we're on the subject, I think it stinks that Bush (as with many others) had his papers stolen and spirited away and concealed from public view... obviously I don't mean 'highly classified' documents... these politicans are no more than people and in which all should be required full disclosure to the American public. i.e. furnish a complete package of documentation including financial reports, etc.
Also, I truly don't believe the propoganda that those who support the investigation are in a minority... what I see is a group against it being supported 99% by the media and under the radar Presidential pressure (see history and Richard Nixon and his attempts to squash information) and a group for the investigation who does not buy off on what has been dished up especially given all the issues discovered in documents and stories, and a huge chunk of the population with head A up Arse B and ignoring it all together.
So, I stand by the Sheriff and his policies and by the investigation.
edit on 2-4-2012 by EvilSadamClone because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
It is not an opinion, it is fact.
Arpaio told reporters that his investigation into Obama’s birth certificate turned up “probable cause” to show that two crimes had been committed regarding the birth certificate — fraud and forgery. An investigator who spoke at the event said they have identified a “person of interest” in the supposed crime, but he declined to say who it was.
>>I am not accusing the president of the United States of any crimeWe’re going to find out who did it