Christianity vs Atheism: The Facts

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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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But even if you have lived an honest life you have still broken the commandments. God's standard is perfect and he will not allow any sin to go unpunished, if he did he would not be a just judge. Our good works are menstrual rags in Gods eyes. The only hope of salvation we have is through Jesus who bore the sins of the world.




posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by ofNight

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by mikelkhall
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There is, also, literally SO MUCH Proof and Evidence that the Bible is 100% false, in that it is nothing more than a group of books that were written by men based on even older religions, that I could not possibly cover it all in one short post.

Although I'm up for it if you are.


Is that why Archeology confirms the text of the Bible and provides evidence for the reliability of the biblical manuscripts? Archaeological discoveries have verified biblical Burial Sites and Citys on numerous occasions.
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Archeology doesn't confirm all of claims made in the Bible, not even close. Lots of old books mention burial sites and cities. Just because it's mentioned doesn't mean the rest of it is real.


The Iliad and the Odyssey talks of Troy, a real city. That doesn't mean the Gods are real.


Fair point but we have more historical evidence for Jesus then we do for julius caesar.

Not including Bible sources, the following people wrote about Jesus:
* The Jewish historian Josephus (A.D. 37-100)

*Pliny the Younger, imperial Roman Legate of Bythynia - in a letter to Emperor Trajan in A.D. 112

*Tacitus - the important Roman historian

*Suetonius - a Roman historian who compiled a biography of the first twelve Roman emperors in his "Life of Claudius"

*Thallus and Julius Africanus in A.D. 52

*Mara bar Serpion

In addition, there are thousands upon thousands of archaeological findings that point to Jesus existence.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:23 PM
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Even if Jesus existed, what scientific evidence do you have to support immaculate conception? Or turning water into wine? Or resurrecting from the dead?

I'm legitimately curious.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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Sorry but you're going to convince me that this "Borgian hivemind" belief you hold has any bearing on reality other than by virtue of the obvious assumption on my part that you've chose to adopt it into your perception of truth



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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None of those names listed were crucified on a cross.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by minkmouse
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Oh come on... Be a sport, post a couple of literal snippets of the proof and evidence that the Bible is 100% true. While you're at it, I for one would also like to be guided to the "irrefutable scientific proof of intelligent design"

I will just say that I have seen overwhelming evidence that who I am is made possible by the installation of thousands of years of handed down belief and assumption craftily mixed with an incomplete bag of scientific awareness and all of this filtered through five narrow band senses....With all that going for me, I should most certainly recognize irrefutable proof when I see it


www.jesusandthebibletoday.com...
www.godandscience.org...
creation.com...
www.answersingenesis.org...
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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None of those names listed were crucified on a cross.


en.wikipedia.org...

False.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by ofNight
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Even if Jesus existed, what scientific evidence do you have to support immaculate conception? Or turning water into wine? Or resurrecting from the dead?

I'm legitimately curious.


Perhaps the 500 or more people that saw him after he resurrected? Many of who were still alive when the first gospels were written. Members of Jesus' family would have also still been alive when the first gospels were written.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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How nice is that...Links to the hiveminds media center. Just no peer reviewed scientific data out there huh?

ETA I jumped the gun as you had only posted first link when I replied. The rest look solid and you can rest assured I will fall back now as I have some reading to do
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by minkmouse
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How nice is that...Links to the hiveminds media center. Just no peer reviewed scientific data out there huh?


You didn't ask for peer reviewed scientific data so I didn't provide any. I post links with evidence then you dismiss them. Well what more can I say? I also don't know why you keep calling Christianity 'Hive mind'. Its the complete oppersite and calls us to think on our own to feet. Atheists are simply not thinking.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:38 PM
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Actually they were all crucified. They were all god-saviors who died for the sins of the people. Some were crucified on trees, many were said to have had their hands and feet impaled just as Christ did.

And we all know that Christ was crucified on a tree, according to the bible, in 5 scriptures. Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29, Galatians 3:13 and 1 Peter 2:24.

So even the bible can't make up it's mind. Was it a cross or a tree?



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by mikelkhall
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Actually they were all crucified. They were all god-saviors who died for the sins of the people. Some were crucified on trees, many were said to have had their hands and feet impaled just as Christ did.

And we all know that Christ was crucified on a tree, according to the bible, in 5 scriptures. Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29, Galatians 3:13 and 1 Peter 2:24.

So even the bible can't make up it's mind. Was it a cross or a tree?


The cross was made of wood, so it was a tree. And I know for a fact Osiris was not crucified on a cross and Mohamud story is also a lie since they claim Jesus was never crucified... That list is very suspicious. (probably borrowed from the Zeitgeist movie). *cough*

Christianity does not need any outside influence to derive any of its doctrines. All the doctrines of Christianity exists in the Old Testament where we can see the prophetic teachings of Jesus as the son of God (Zech. 12:10), born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), was crucified (Psalm 22), the blood atonement (Lev. 17:11), rose from the dead (Psalm 16:10), and salvation by faith (Hab. 2:4). Also, the writers of the gospels were eyewitnesses (or directed by eyewitnesses as were Mark and Luke) who accurately represented the life of Christ. So, what they did was write what Jesus taught as well as record the events of His life, death, and resurrection. In other words, they recorded history, actual events and had no need of fabrication or borrowing.

Source
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by mikelkhall
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Actually they were all crucified. They were all god-saviors who died for the sins of the people. Some were crucified on trees, many were said to have had their hands and feet impaled just as Christ did.

And we all know that Christ was crucified on a tree, according to the bible, in 5 scriptures. Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29, Galatians 3:13 and 1 Peter 2:24.

So even the bible can't make up it's mind. Was it a cross or a tree?


The cross was made of wood, so it was a tree. And I know for a fact Osiris was not crucified on a cross and Mohamud story is also a lie since they claim Jesus was never crucified... That list is very suspicious. (probably borrowed from the Zeitgeist movie). *cough*

Christianity does not need any outside influence to derive any of its doctrines. All the doctrines of Christianity exists in the Old Testament where we can see the prophetic teachings of Jesus as the son of God (Zech. 12:10), born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), was crucified (Psalm 22), the blood atonement (Lev. 17:11), rose from the dead (Psalm 16:10), and salvation by faith (Hab. 2:4). Also, the writers of the gospels were eyewitnesses (or directed by eyewitnesses as were Mark and Luke) who accurately represented the life of Christ. So, what they did was write what Jesus taught as well as record the events of His life, death, and resurrection. In other words, they recorded history, actual events and had no need of fabrication or borrowing.


Wow. Did you really just utilize copy and paste.

carm.org...

Third paragraph, word by word. Plagiarism isn't a good way to get your point across.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:57 PM
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That list is very suspicious. (probably borrowed from the Zeitgeist movie). *cough*


Never watched the Zeitgeist movie *cough*

How about a few parallesl between Christian Gospels and Pagan myths




Many early Christians celebrated Jesus' birthday on JAN-6. Armenian Christians still do. In Alexandria, in what is now Egypt, the birthday of their god-man, Aion, was also celebrated on JAN-6.

Christians and most Pagans eventually celebrated the birthday of their god-man on DEC-25.

According to an ancient Christian tradition, Christ died on MAR-23 and resurrected on MAR-25. These dates agree precisely with the death and resurrection of Attis.

Baptism was a principal ritual; it washed away a person's sins. In some rituals, Baptism was performed by sprinkling holy water on the believer; in others, the person was totally immersed.

The most important sacrament was a ritual meal of bread and wine which symbolize the god-man's body and blood. His followers were accused of engaging in cannibalism.

Early Christians initiated converts in March and April by baptism. Mithraism initiated their new members at this time as well.

Early Christians were naked when they were baptized. After immersion, they then put on white clothing and a crown. They carried a candle and walked in a procession to a basilica. Followers of Mithra were also baptized naked, put on white clothing and a crown, and walked in a procession to the temple. However, they carried torches.

At Pentecost, the followers of Jesus were recorded as speaking in tongues. At Trophonius and Delos, the Pagan priestesses also spoke in tongues: They appeared to speak in such a way that each person present heard her words in the observer's own language.

An inscription to Mithras reads: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made on with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation." 1 In John 6:53-54, Jesus is said to have repeated this theme: "...Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." (KJV)

The Bible records that Jesus was crucified between two thieves. One went to heaven and the other to hell. In the Mithras mysteries, a common image showed Mithras flanked by two torchbearers, one on either side. One held a torch pointed upwards, the other downwards. This symbolized ascent to heaven or descent to hell.

In Attis, a bull was slaughtered while on a perforated platform. The animal's blood flowed down over an initiate who stood in a pit under the platform. The believer was then considered to have been "born again." Poor people could only afford a sheep, and so were literally washed in the blood of the lamb. This practice was interpreted symbolically by Christians.

There were many additional points of similarity between Mithraism and Christianity. 2 St. Augustine even declared that the priests of Mithraism worshiped the same God as he did:

Followers of both religions celebrated a ritual meal involving bread. It was called a missa in Latin or mass in English.

Both the Catholic church and Mithraism had a total of seven sacraments.

Epiphany, JAN-6, was originally the festival in which the followers of Mithra celebrated the visit of the Magi to their newborn god-man. The Christian Church took it over in the 9th century.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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Early Non-Christian Witnesses to Jesus Christ

God created. The Bible says so. Science confirms it.

Scientific evidence for creation.

As you can see our faith is certainly not "blind"...
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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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Dig a little deeper...



www.iclnet.org...

Never accept something without proper investigation.
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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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THE BIBLE IS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING.

See - - I can do CAPS too.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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I could keep doing this forever but I really am getting tired and you are starting to not name your sources so I'm going to bed.

I will check in the morning and see if anything has changed and maybe you will have demonstrated a miracle or two for the masses cause we know that Jesus said:

John 14:12


Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 12:07 AM
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Dig a little deeper for what? You want me to watch Zeitgeist?



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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No I didn't specifically ask for that but you put up some interesting links none the less. I call it hivemind because that's the way it all comes across to me. If I put one hundred Christians in a room and were able to network via computer with them on an individual basis (that is without any of them being able to see my responses to any of their group) with a carefully manicured script of questions regarding their faith, I'd be willing to bet I could get a large percentage of same biblical quotes spouted back at me for any given question. Christians it seems to me find every aspect of their belief in the Bible....A book! I've yet to see any irrefutable evidence that determines that the book is anything more than that..A book! It seems to me that any proof offered comes from those who believe in said book. So I see this as almost Borgian behavior. I guess I could also think of it as an "Amway" sort of mindset.





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