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"The concept of face is, of course, Chinese in origin" (Ho 1975:867), yet many languages have "face" terms that metaphorically mean "prestige; honor; reputation." Marcel Mauss, who sociologically studied the Kwakwaka'wakw (formerly known as Kwakiutl) and Haida nations in British Columbia, interpreted the Kwak'wala word q'elsem (lit. "rotten face") meaning "stingy potlatch-giver; one who gives no feast."
Kwakiutl and Haida noblemen have the same notion of 'face' as the Chinese mandarin or officer. It is said of one of the great mythical chiefs who gave no feast that he had a 'rotten face.' The expression is more apt than it is even in China; for to lose one's face is to lose one's spirit, which is truly the 'face', the dancing mask, the right to incarnate a spirit and wear an emblem or totem. It is the veritable persona which is at stake, and it can be lost in the potlatch just as it can be lost in the game of gift-giving, in war, or through some error in ritual. (1954:38)
Michael Carr (1992, 1993) lexicographically investigated "face; prestige" dictionary forms in Chinese, Japanese, and English. Within this sample, Chinese dictionaries include 98 forms, e.g., sipo lian 撕破臉 (lit. "rip up face") "have no consideration for someone's feelings"; Japanese dictionaries list 89, e.g., kao o uru 顔を売る (lit. "sell face") "become popular; gain influence"; and English dictionaries include 5 forms, e.g., lose face (borrowed from Chinese diulian 丟臉 "lose face"). Carr found that the Chinese and Japanese lexicons have roughly equal numbers of words for "losing face" and "saving face", while English has more for "saving face.
Originally posted by SeekerLou
Was hoping EX would have a reply by now. As stated in OP, no source -these SEEMED legit. and to please correct if these were inaccurate.
He was right, that we shouldn't assume these as fact. So am curious if anyone can prove any of these wrong.
I'm still kind of lost on his reply /example, so if anyone has a hint at what I am missing, I'd appreciate it, if you would let me in on the secret.
Thanks in advance! and for here on out, I guess we should refer to these as ''rumored'' origins.
Originally posted by SeekerLou
reply to post by Ex_CT2
Had to log back in when I saw your post! Star for that and how verrry true!
I appreciate your alerting everyone to this.
I too despise the lies that are replacing truth. Before passing them off as truth, one must know without a doubt - the facts.
The problem oftime is: How can one find out for sure? With everyone having a different story. (so many truths going around) with No proofs to be had.....
Curious as to how you knew that article wasn't correct . Mismatched info from other sources or what? Please, am very interested in how you knew your article ex. was a lie.
edit on 30-3-2012 by SeekerLou because: (no reason given)