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Obama Budget Rejected by House in 414-0 Vote

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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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There are so many ways you just don't get it. I am betting that you have never really dealt with government regulations other than possibly a fishing licence.

For instance -- anyone can buy insurance if they can afford it - yeah they can buy a Bentley too.

Hey the mandate is not a solution it is the best solution the Teapublicans could come up with. It actually works Romney proved that in Mass. 98% insured. I would rather see single payer. I am curious how you get your insurance or are you one of the ones who decide I am just going to game the system and someone else will pay for it -- that is where your thinking is leading me.

About the cost of the service increasing -- never in the world. How come health care in the US is one of the most expensive in the world -- with worth results.

The bit about the poor paying when they can't afford it -- It is really obvious that you have only been following the spin and have no real idea how this bill works.

I dare you to read and try to understand

www.obamacarewatch.org...

You are also kind of mistaken about how patents and entrepreneurial efforts work -- by the way my patents are for surgical devices -- dad was a doctor mom was a nurse. I am old and have been working startups since the early 80s.

You sound just like Beck Hannity and Limbaugh -- I listen to these guy I urge you to listen to at least Maddow and try to formulate arguments against what she is saying. Or try the MSNBC show UP on Sat/Sun mornings people actually talk and discuss this stuff. Then compare that to Hannity's interview.

By the way that lady on the right is the person you would be depriving of medical help if something happens to me. She would be required to impoverish herself just to stay alive and ease the daily pain. I'm sure that she would like to thank-you and shake her hand for wishing that on here. This stuff does have a face.


edit on 30-3-2012 by spyder550 because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by bo12au


One way to reduce trillion-dollar deficits would be to pass legislation eliminating obstacles to economic growth. The more the economy grows, the more tax revenue the government will have. But Obama administration policies have created more obstacles to job creation, and are preventing the economy from recovering at a rapid rate. Liz Peek writes in Fiscal Times about “How Obamacare Derailed the Economic Recovery.” As we noted earlier, Obamacare is causing layoffs in the medical device industry, is discouraging employers from hiring, and is reducing capital investment needed for future hiring and expansion. The Dodd-Frank law pushed through Congress by the Obama administration has also wiped out jobs and driven thousands of jobs overseas.

www.openmarket.org
(visit the link for the full news article)



Translation: Obama is a complete failure.

ObamaCare is on its way out. Donald Virrilli looked like a complete fool in front of

the SCOTUS. Saturday Night Live will probably make a skit about it.


Obama Budget = More Spending , increase the national debt as fast as possible.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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We should repeal Dodd-Frank FinReg right after ObamaCare is flushed down the toilet.

All Dodd-Frank did was attack capitalism.

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We have a socialist in the White House.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Not for long..he is finished



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I love how the same people that claim they don't fall for MSM bias eat this up.

People actually think this was "Obama's" budget.



He's president isn't he?



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Vandettas

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I love how the same people that claim they don't fall for MSM bias eat this up.

People actually think this was "Obama's" budget.



He's president isn't he?


Really, dude? Really?

So... then you admit that Obama killed Bin Laden? People don't give him credit for all of the unrelated things that happen while he is in office so don't go linking every bad idea people come up with (this time, from a republican) to him as well.

Bunch of fair weather friends that guy has.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I love how the same people that claim they don't fall for MSM bias eat this up.

People actually think this was "Obama's" budget.


Please enlighten me as too who the wizard behind the curtain is??



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by spyder550
The republicans didn't vote for it because it was a democratic budget. The democrats didn't vote for it because the republicans were trying to tinker with it and that tinkering would screw the middle class.
edit on 30-3-2012 by spyder550 because: (no reason given)


meant to ad a citation

thehill.com...

This was not a no confidence vote it was a vote to protect the middle class from the republican concept of tax the middle and get rid on the safety net.


She said that Mulvaney’s amendment is a dangerous “shell that could be filled with a number of things that could hurt our economy and hurt the middle class.”

“While Congressman Mulvaney’s amendment aims for many of the same top-line numbers as the president’s budget, he puts forward no specifics or ways about how he would reach these targets,” she said. “For example, rather than ending tax breaks for millionaires, his budget could hit the revenue target by raising taxes on the middle class. And rather than ending wasteful programs, his budget could hit its spending target with severe cuts to important programs.”



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by bo12au

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I love how the same people that claim they don't fall for MSM bias eat this up.

People actually think this was "Obama's" budget.


Please enlighten me as too who the wizard behind the curtain is??


Rep. Mick Mulvaney, R-S.C

He made a mock-up of Obama's ideas to "prove" that nobody would like it. It would be like if I took a picture of your car, then built a model of it made of cottage cheese then told everybody how stupid your car must be since nobody wants a cottage cheese car.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Men are talking.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by bo12au
reply to post by spyder550
 


Men are talking.


So are the ladies. You have something interesting to add? I don't think there is room in the new budget for paying out royalties for misogynistic posts on conspiracy forums. Just letting you know because I'd hate for you to get your hopes up.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by bo12au

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I love how the same people that claim they don't fall for MSM bias eat this up.

People actually think this was "Obama's" budget.


Please enlighten me as too who the wizard behind the curtain is??


The wizard behind the curtain is the tendency for the right to have authoritarian personalities. This leads to being led easily by people whom they perceive as power figures. The authoritarian is particularly sensitive to tactics that paint a situation as fearful or dangerous. I didn't make that up.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by cuervo

Originally posted by bo12au
reply to post by spyder550
 


Men are talking.


So are the ladies. You have something interesting to add? I don't think there is room in the new budget for paying out royalties for misogynistic posts on conspiracy forums. Just letting you know because I'd hate for you to get your hopes up.


misogynistic is a pretty big word, you might go with "dum wimmens folk"



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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Yes the government DOES sell something.They sell their authority to the highest lobbyist.They sell favors by wrangling the laws for corporate gains and oversight bodies like the FDA ,EPA and AMA.They are golden parachutes for crooked corporate hacks who are getting jobs for their buddies and fixing laws like the ones that let Monsanto create genetically modified invasive species and then go after the neighbor's farm because it has been taken over by their genostine crops.Bernie Madoff did well with the economic shills that were supposed to watch for these banking practices,until we caught him.
They are selling vote to their pals for favors so their team moves ahead and damn the people.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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I am betting that you have never really dealt with government regulations other than possibly a fishing licence.

I owned and ran a design service for ten years... a C corp. That entailed all the regulations that are on any business, plus requiring regular contact with local regulatory agencies on building codes and ordinances.

I don't have a fishing license at the moment... too busy just trying to eek out a living to fish.


For instance -- anyone can buy insurance if they can afford it - yeah they can buy a Bentley too.

So now I suppose you want to make buying Bentleys a mandate as well?


You completely missed my point. Insurance is an available service at the present time. Requiring everyone to buy it does not make it more available. Of course one has to buy insurance; one has to buy food as well if one wishes to eat. That's the economic system we live under, and I submit it is more reasonable to adapt to it than to force everyone else to adapt to you.


It actually works Romney proved that in Mass. 98% insured.

And the state is going bankrupt, listed in 2009 as the most debt-ridden state in the Union:

Total State Debt: $71,892,262,000

Total Population: 6,497,967

Debt per Resident: $11,063.81
Source: www.mainstreet.com... (Go to page 21 of the report)


I am curious how you get your insurance or are you one of the ones who decide I am just going to game the system and someone else will pay for it -- that is where your thinking is leading me.

My wife suffered a stroke last year and we have no insurance. I am paying the bills as I can, despite being unemployed at the moment.

You are not alone in having difficulties paying for needed health care, but you are extremely arrogant in your assumptions.


About the cost of the service increasing -- never in the world. How come health care in the US is one of the most expensive in the world -- with worth results.

Because people are willing to pay it... not directly but via insurance companies. Please feel free to name one service that has decreased in price because of rising insurance sales.


I dare you to read and try to understand

No thank you. I tried reading the plan back when it was being passed; I do not care for such fiction. The economic assumptions and assertions in that bill are so oppositional to economic reality as to make the bill's forecasts more fantasy than Star Wars.


You are also kind of mistaken about how patents and entrepreneurial efforts work

Ah, then please enlighten me! After all, I have only ran my own corporation, am in the process of obtaining a patent myself, and worked with entrepreneurs my entire life. What could I know?


You sound just like Beck Hannity and Limbaugh

Glenn Beck is an entertainer - Rush Limbaugh is a self-righteous, out-of-touch, arrogant piece of trash masquerading as a human. Your comparison of me to him is beyond offensive.


By the way that lady on the right is the person you would be depriving of medical help if something happens to me. She would be required to impoverish herself just to stay alive and ease the daily pain. I'm sure that she would like to thank-you and shake her hand for wishing that on here. This stuff does have a face.

My wife has a face as well. I don't need yours.

You prove my point very well throughout this entire post. "I want/need something that I can't afford, so someone else should help me, and I don't care what the end result will be, or what harm it will cause others, or what repercussions will happen. I want it and I want it NOW! GIVE IT TO ME YOU SELFISH PEOPLE!"

Please... I heard that enough from my children when they were two and three years old. If you want to debate this with me, I expect facts instead of rhetoric and fantastic dreams of utopia.

...and wild unfounded accusations.

TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 03:16 PM
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OK first not a single Democrat vote for Obama's budget, then not a single Democrat vote for Paul Ryan's budget.

No budget at all for the last 3 years.

Am I the only one who thinks Democrats don't want a budget?



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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So what is your proposal -- is it status quo. Because the cost of healthcare continues to rise. Healthcare's customer dosen't care because as it rises then insurance can charge more and cash flow equals profit. Then you cull out the sick people and Bobs your uncle everybody is making money, nobody is getting well.

I feel for your wife - I feel for my wife it is not about getting something for nothing it is about doing the right thing. It works in other countries. My father fought "socialized" medicine all of his life - because he was a greedy bastard. He felt he was going to loose money. Docs in England aren't poor, people are taken care of.

To get an insurance plan to work other than the "die penniless" in a ditch plan - everyone needs to participate. If that doesn't happen then the ones who don't contribute get a free ride, which you are advocating.

Your wife will never be able to buy insurance on the "market" neither will mine. If you didn't have that burden perhaps you could be starting a business rather than be unemployed. Kind of bootstrappy.

It is nice that you are paying the bills as you can. If the healthcare plan had been in effect you wouldn't have that monkey on your back (actually the people with insurance are carrying that burden).

It sounds to me as if you are voting against yourself. It has been proven that health care can be provided by the government and it works. You stand in the way of that for some unfathomable reason.

You know the woman who was leading the charge against the healthcare act in Florida because it would cause her business to fail? Well here business failed anyway and she bankrupted 5-10 k of medical bills.

I guess I am paying for two peoples medical bills because I work to have insurance. You are welcome.

By the way I looked in to buying insurance on the Market that you are so proud of -- 4k per month 48 k per year.
At that rate I could pay off the Bentley in 60 months. I make pretty good money I am a seasoned professional. I could not afford 48,000 per year -- we would be penniless and my wife would die - why does that have to be. And I am just one heart attack away from that -- and that heart attack could be mine or my 69 year old boss. If that happens I am unemployed 62 years old with a sick wife and paying the med bills if I get a little extra.

The Free market plan "Die penniless in a ditch or die quickly"

Somehow you feel that actually wanting life in the US to be better is arrogant.

Good luck with the patent -- mine cost about 150,000.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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This seems just odd. Not ONE SINGLE person voted for it????

You would think no matter how bad it was there would be at least ONE presidential butt kisser who woulda sided with him.

Makes me wonder what was in the budget. Was there something in there that scared EVERYONE away from it?

I would be curious to see exactly what was in his budget.

It's just too odd that everybody distanced themselves away from it.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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Plain and Simple.

Thats 414 people that are not driving the getaway car for this jewel heist.

They know they have to follow along now or its no more votes.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by cuervo

Originally posted by Vandettas

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I love how the same people that claim they don't fall for MSM bias eat this up.

People actually think this was "Obama's" budget.



He's president isn't he?


Really, dude? Really?

So... then you admit that Obama killed Bin Laden? People don't give him credit for all of the unrelated things that happen while he is in office so don't go linking every bad idea people come up with (this time, from a republican) to him as well.

Bunch of fair weather friends that guy has.


Oh please, please, PLEASE, quote me on that. When did I say that?




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