It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

How to reunite Korea

page: 2
5
<< 1    3  4 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 12:04 AM
link   
reply to post by crankyoldman
 




The real issue is NK would have to agree to join the central bank


At the moment the BRICS nations are thinking about forming their own central bank. It will take some time, but how will this alter the situation not just for NK, but Iran as well. Some better global economic management and individual freedom is needed in these countries and it could proved one solution with the historically bad reputation of conditions associated with the IMF and others. At the moment a lot of discussion is going on in this area of global banking and it could go a few ways.

There is some capacity to find a way through this, it will be a slow answer as a lot of clarification and work still needs to be done.




posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 12:09 AM
link   
reply to post by Shminkee Pinkee
 




North Korea, Like the Soviet Union were and China are not Communist, they are a state capitalist Dictatorship.


The ruling party in NK is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, in looking through their website they do associate with socialism, but got a few other ideas going on as well.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 12:55 AM
link   
reply to post by kwakakev
 

I think the UN should have a discussion with the US, Russia, China to bring about changes in the Korean peninsula. China and Russia should stay out of future conflicts between the north and south. S Korea can then proceed to go to war with the north when they stage another provocation with US aid. A unified democratic Korea would be born out of this conflict and the US would pull out all its bases in S Korea and leave. Korea is happy they don't have to stand on their toes anymore and no more starving relatives in the north. China is happy there are no more US bases in Korea and they no longer have to send aid. N Koreans only know how to build rockets and missiles so if they take over their sky scrappers would look like rockets and Asia will not get to enjoy K-Pop anymore



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:35 AM
link   
reply to post by slanteye
 

Yeah right;China uses the southern wackballs as a buffer against us.If you want change I would suggest surgical decapitation.by covert means followed by humanitarian air drops and no follow up assault.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:14 AM
link   

Originally posted by kwakakev


There are indications that North Korea is willing to submit to South Korean rule.


Do you have any citations for this statement? The NK's always said one country, two systems was their desired outcome of reunification.

Don't forget that North Korea is also a Dynastic Communist state. This is an important and delicate factor that needs to be acknowledged in reunification talks. The highway connecting Pyongyang to the DMZ zone was finished in 1992, so the idea of reunification is not a new one.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:47 AM
link   

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
reply to post by slanteye
 

Yeah right;China uses the southern wackballs as a buffer against us..
Like what I stated, China will agree to stay away from the war to reunite the two Koreas providing the US will agree to close down all its bases in S Korea and leave. When this happens, China will have no need for a buffer state in the form of N Korea anymore and everyone lives happily everafter.. .



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 09:20 AM
link   
reply to post by crankyoldman
 


"resource grabbing notes as the debts can't be paid back with more debt notes. There are only a few countries left, Iran being the last holdout."

That's the key ~ unpayable debt. And yes, the defenders of fiat money have pretty much wiped out the competition. Besides Iran, North Korea is still holding out but the mighty defenders of "our" rigged debt system have both of these apostate nations sanctioned into starvation. Funny how so many of us then blame the sanctioned countries for starving "their own people". The ultimate insult is that the central bankers, who are holding all the cards, call this the free market.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 09:45 AM
link   

Originally posted by kwakakev
reply to post by frazzle
 




Get our troops and civilian "advisors" the hell out of there and let the Koreans work it out for themselves.


This is a great point, ultimately it is up to Korea to solve. But how long will it take? Do they need some assistance and what kind of help? There is a lot of conflict to resolve and change management issues to contend with. When Korea is at a stalemate, can an international consensus help guide through the issues or do we just let them fight it out?

With so many people raised on division and hate, the language and culture is at a disadvantage to get through alone. The world helped create this mess and as such does have some responsibility in cleaning it up. The military hard liners do have a strong focus on the conflict, so what other social skills are available to help focus on the solution?
edit on 30-3-2012 by kwakakev because: added question mark


How can we help them, we're broke. Matter of fact, we're too broke to fix our own country which is crumbling down around our scuffed sneakers. Besides that, there's enough hate and conflict right here in River City that needs to be resolved and all that conflict is based on the fact that too many people won't allow others to live (or die) on their own terms, not here and not anywhere else in the world. Its gotta be OUR way because no one else is smart enough to figure out how to live on their own. Hubris to the max. And how's that working out for inspiring never-ending conflict between people and nations all over this planet?

We just need to get out of everybody's hair and let united Koreans decide if they want to become the final letter in the acronym BRICKS because IMF/WB/WTO isn't in anybody's best interests (not that I'm in favor of centralized banking no matter who sets it up ~ the scum will float to the top every damn time.)
edit on 31-3-2012 by frazzle because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:30 PM
link   
reply to post by slanteye
 


The 6 Party talks have been going on since 2003 and where aimed at the nuclear issue. It involved North and South Korea, Russia, China, Japan and US. There does appear to be some progress getting made on this issue with more recent talks and building international pressure to secure and reduce the global nuclear risks under START.

The US is currently deployed in over 150 countries around the world, to think that there will be a full withdrawal of troops any time soon is unrealistic. Their has been some withdrawal of troops over the years from some countries, but not until things are at a peaceful enough state for them to be no longer required. A lot of investment and resources have gone into establishing better security, foreign relations and trade all around the world. Korea is a long term investment and one day will likely return back to China's influence, as with the British done with Hong Kong back in 1997. Until then the US has an interest in the region as these bigger partners just have to learn how to play nice.

In the long term benefit of the globe, having buffer states between super powers helps improve cultural understandings. If the US and China where to come to a head, Korea will just be a minor side show. By having a buffer states it allows for more of a chance to talk about things and clarify any misunderstandings. When it does come to removing the wall it is not wise to remove one source of stability and support in the region. There will be a lot of change and difficult issues to confront. As with the wall coming down in Germany, there will be international support with this positive change.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:41 PM
link   
reply to post by deessell
 



The 2010 United States diplomatic cables leak mentions two unnamed Chinese officials claiming that the younger generation of Chinese leaders is willing to accept the unification of Korea under South Korean rule, on condition that a unified Korea not be hostile to China.

en.wikipedia.org...

They have been working on reunification for a long time, it will be good to see them finally get there.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:17 PM
link   
reply to post by frazzle
 


The money issue is a big one, not just Korea involved. With all the recent banker resignations there are positive signs that some house cleaning is taken place. A lot of risk to the banking security has been removed, but there are still many challenges to go. At the moment the G20 is taking power with the BRICKS group thinking of establishing a second central bank. This will provide for lending options that are more suitable to some nations compared to current standards.

Behind this we have the issue of global macroeconomic policy. Like everything else at the UN it is tough and takes a lot of resources to do it right, but it is still growing. Basically money is just a ledger book that measures a persons input and output with society, its value is with its trust and ability to trade. It is a clearly recognised fact that corruption does go on and steps are getting made to limit it in due course. One threat to an economy is sudden change, as the public perception of a fair trade diminishes and supply chains can get disrupted.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:00 PM
link   
reply to post by kwakakev
 


That sounds acceptable.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 08:20 PM
link   
reply to post by kwakakev
 


Its good to know there are still a few optimists around.

From my own pessimistic viewpoint, the banker resignations is merely a precursor to what’s coming at all of us PDQ – that the dollar system is ready to implode and that these insiders had plenty of advance warning so they are getting out while the getting’s good.

But I think it would be naïve to believe these banker-rats-scampering-from-the-sinking-ship would walk (or swim) away from the piles of dollars they’ve no doubt spent years accumulating while those dollars still hold purchasing power. So I would assume that this “money” is almost certainly being (or has already been) exchanged for whatever hard assets are available on the cheap due to the overall distressed world economy, like bullion and land with minerals/water/oil and such, before the final collapse of this not really too big to fail system.

I think the BRICS nations suspect an imminent collapse of the dollar, as well (who doesn't by now), and that they’re trying to head off being pulled down with us and protect their own interests. I don’t know if the nations involved are working with the UN in this effort as you suggested they might be, but hopefully not as the seeds of their own destruction would be built right into BRICS banking dna, just like Monsanto does to our food. Just like the dna of the US was set up to fail with the advent of the Federal Reserve Bank. Furthermore, inviting the G20 into their planning would be tantamount to waving a white flag before they even get the paperwork finished. How depressing.

But in the event that the rest of the BRICS nations are open to UN involvement (which I sort of doubt), I would think at least NORTH Korea would know better than to do so in the also unlikely scenario that the north and south merged somehow and filled in that missing K.

Sorry, but that “money is just a data entry” argument pretty much falls on deaf ears around here, but I’ll simply say that I’m in Ron Paul’s camp with regard to sound money practices and you’ll know exactly where I’m coming from.

So I’ll end this little diatribe by arguing that no one on earth has enjoyed anything resembling FAIR trade since the WTO started dictating who would trade what with whom. The entire UN is a boondoggle.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 10:08 PM
link   
reply to post by frazzle
 


PDQ ?

Permanent Disqualification or Please Don't Quit


I might not be able to change the world, but I can change how I respond to it. From where things have grown it has been a hard job. With the G20 recently at the economic wheel there are a lot of new resources, oversight and ability in running a global economy. Having so many nations try and agree on something is not an easy job, but when they do there is generally a lot of wisdom, common sense and power behind it.

A decline in how the US dollar is traded around the world is the likely situation facing the US as other countries establish better trade links between themselves. This does not have to be a sudden and devastating drop, but it has that potential. At the moment, international currency rates are set by market forces. As a better picture of the full supply and demand chain builds, other metrics and tools will be available to help understand and guide the bigger picture.

As for how the BRICKS team goes at the G20, they have some of their own issues they need to sort out in this mess, but they cannot do it all alone.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 10:32 PM
link   
reply to post by kwakakev
 


PDQ = Pretty Damn Quick.

You strike me as a very pragmatic person, perhaps you work in government? Somehow I just can't seem to adopt that attitude, although it would probably be better for my blood pressure. It would probably save my friends and family some grief, as well. LOL. Most of my opinions and expectations are more on the doom and gloom side and I can only hope I'm wrong about them. Unfortunately I'm seldom very far off the mark over the long haul.

But on topic, I do hope the Koreans find a way to work things out ~ despite our military presence.


edit on 31-3-2012 by frazzle because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 11:32 PM
link   
reply to post by frazzle
 


I know the gloom, pretty dark # going on. Learning about history has help a lot in putting in perspective. Understanding that things are looking for a better way in this complex world helps a little. When the dinosaurs where around they just ate each other out in the open, so some improvements have been made since then. Competition is also an important factor with genetic diversity that has been around as long as life itself. One aim with all this is to try and separate out the conflict from the competition.

Have spent the last year on this site, couple of years just travelling all around Australia on a motorbike. Did not know who to trust or where to start when seeing how things where running. Some time out and research has helped make some heads and tails of it now. Looking for job now, or should be if I did not spend so much time on this. pm to discuss further.



posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 01:47 PM
link   
Wow, Australia by motor bike. Sounds like so much fun! I hope you find interesting and lucrative work soon.

Yes, of course competition is good, but cooperation is just as important, if not moreso. Unfortunately a large segment of human race seems to have lost that capacity. Now its all about who should be starved into submission, massacred or bombed into the stone age next.

Learning about history and government started very early for me since my parents were involved with the national Committee to Restore the Constitution and I heard about what they were working on at the dinner table regularly. For whatever reason I kept studying those issues after leaving home and reading G. Edward Griffin's "Creature From Jekyll Island" was the real eye opener for me. Nothing he wrote way back then has ever been disputed or disproven ~ only expanded upon and hopefully that knowledge is finally reaching critical mass through the words of Dr. Paul, who has informed standing room only audiences all across the country that the US dollar has lost 97 cents of its value since the Fed Res was put into operation and that that's the real cause of inflation and financial ruin. I had been harping on that very issue since the 1970s so its truly amazing to hear those words being spoken by a presidential candidate. And even if he loses, those people will still KNOW what they now know. The message can't be defeated.

That's why I said earlier that the key to our problem is debt based fiat currency. The nations that rejected that paradigm have been systematically defamed and attacked time and again, whether by powerful market forces driven by US fractional reserve fiat, their synchophants at the UN or by more brutal methods.

North Korea is, of course, one of the last remaining holdouts to this economic scheme. Iran is another. But this recent uptick in the number of nations jumping off the debt wagon does give me hope that the world is coming to its senses and I'd like to see a unified Korea involved in that effort. The downside for us is that the only currency westerners use and still maintain some "faith" in will be obsolete. If you ask me, that's a darn good thing even though it will cause some major upheavals and it would be wise to be as prepared for the economic fallout as possible. But I do worry that it may be too late now anyway because we've already been stripped of all our ancestor's intrinsic and alodial wealth and I have no idea how that could be reset, but it will finally force us to do what should have been done back in 1913 ~ defeat the Federal Reserve Act and begin again with a sound currency that can't be debauched. Maybe then the whole world can interact and trade in good faith.

Okay, that's it, I'm changing my screen name to Pollyanna.



posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 02:22 PM
link   
Nobody can predict what will happen.
Military option in Korea is least probable in my opinion because does not matter who will start the fighting,it has a serious potential of escalation into involvment of NATO/China/Russia and another WW. And people at the helm are not insane enough. Thanks God.
Most probable result is Soviet-Union type of crumbling due to natural rotting of pointless ideology that almost nobody really believed in in the end. North Korea is not there yet. It will take few decades.
However what happens next is an interesting question. China would not like to loose influence in that area - and this is exactly what will happen if South Korean side will end in control of united Korea. And in few decades China will be powerfull enough to directly oppose US.
My doom and gloom prediction (and i hope that i am wrong on this one):
First half of this century will escalate eventually to intersting times. Where it will start,nobody really knows.

edit on 1-4-2012 by ZeroKnowledge because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 11:46 PM
link   
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge
 




China would not like to loose influence in that area - and this is exactly what will happen if South Korean side will end in control of united Korea.


South Korea has about twice as many people and about a 15x stronger currency than the North. The South Korean government structure has a separation of powers between the President, Legislator and Courts with the DRPK party the socialist ruling party in the North. I do find it in the interests of all involved that the DRPK does become one of the electable parties in a Korean National Legislator. From news reports it does look like NK is satisfied with this position, is the US?

DPRK′s Decision Will Depend on U.S. Attitude: Russian


The DPRK could neither overlook nor tolerate the U.S. gangster-like act. It was assured time and again that only nuclear weapons could curb the U.S. invasion. Nuclear dismantlement is possible only when one is absolutely sure of one's own security. To this end, the U.S. should start the work of recognizing the DPRK in a diplomatic way. It should discard the stand of regarding diplomatic acknowledgement as a great concession or as a show of good faith. The only way for it is to expand relations with the DPRK so as to lead it to dismantle nukes. The ball is in the U.S. court. -0-

www.kcna.kp...

Personally, I like it. Over time the party will change and adapt to the conditions, but it does provide a strong starting point into responsible and actionable discussion on the deep and complex issues of reunification and Korea.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 04:53 AM
link   
reply to post by frazzle
 


The game 'Civilisation' helped a lot for me in understanding some of what goes on.

This money one is tough, on one side numbers so big it is hard to make any sense of it and the other side numbers so insignificant it is hard to determine any meaning. I very much understand the positions of wealth and poverty with the options, resources and capabilities offered by the value of money. It is also clear that quite strong conflicts of interest can develop as a result of this and other power. This has been the situation to get us to this stage so some Kudos for that.

I do like Ron Paul, but there is some hesitation in what uncertainty it presents with this economic can of worms. If the Fed is to go down, then what other currency options are there? What change management will there be or is it just another feeding frenzy? At the moment I am supporting the G20 for final control of the global economy and one place to keep an eye on for options and possibilities. My reasoning for this is recent control of the IMF and the combined strength and force it can muster under START.

The topic of "how wealth is introduced into an economy" is immensely political and influential. With America releasing a large flow of currency based on debts it has helped established international trading through the world with a common value. There was just not enough gold around at the time to help facilitate all of what America was getting involved in so it was linked to other things. As strongest stander of WWII and the Cold War it is also an expression of Earth's culture.

There are many different currency systems around the world with a lot of common standards introduced to help with its security and integrity. With the issues going on with the Euro I am not sure the world is ready for one single currency unit. Clearer standards, accounting and oversight is needed globally so important macroeconomic factors can be accurately measured and trust established. There is much contention with loan policy, corporate taxation and many other financial issues. Language barriers can also compound difficulties with misunderstandings, it is a huge job.
edit on 2-4-2012 by kwakakev because: spelling 'so'



new topics

top topics



 
5
<< 1    3  4 >>

log in

join