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Tip Of The Iceberg--The Beginning Of The End For Britain? {Brit returns hometown 2 assess Muslim}

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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by ImaMuslim


Stop thinking you're going to be okay dis-beliefing in Allah, he created you for a purpose and you're not serving it. You will most surely be punished.


why does Allah allow the stoning of women and homosexuals, why does Allah allow starving masses in Somalia. He sounds like a bit of a rotter to me. Not someone to be trusted.

There is far more evidence for Aliens than there is of your stone age religious belief's. I suggest you start believing in them or they might come down and zap all you crazy religious fundamentalists on to the moon.

Your Ideology has no future, religions will one day be exposed for the misogynistic fraudsters they are.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:41 AM
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There are many different kinds of non-Muslim people and what they all have in common is that they are not Muslim. You are either with them or they are against you, If you want to be a Muslim, sit on your mat and pray with them.

Most non-Muslims are Atheist because many of them have realized that there are too many crazy people involved with any religion alone. Christianity was already a problem and the last thing we need is another army of crazy people and more fairytale characters that have never been seen before.

You don't have to die to burn in hell, The Sun is a giant ball of fire and if you sit in it for long you will burn. You are already burning and no one is coming to save you. No one is coming to save us from being transformed by these idiots.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:43 AM
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That video makes me so sad. We allow these s**m come into our lands and this is how they respond. As for those who say that not all 'muslims' are like these clowns... Apologies are not accepted.

All I am waiting for is the brigades to start getting put together and deal with this trash. The cops, the government and the army won't.

Mad? Yeah, I'm mad all right.

I'm sick of having to wait three days for a doctors appointment; sick of being perpetually at the bottom of the housing list (if I can get on), scared of what I say (might be too English or British and therefore racist!); can't get into uni (I ain't a foreign student); can't be jingoistic; can't join the political party I want to (would lose my job); can't walk where I want; can't celebrate my national day; can't even fricking fly my national flag (provocative you know)!

Yeah, I'm getting on in age and know that I need to take a stand. It's now or never. Where do I go to join the resistance? Don't Let England Fall.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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My wife has quite a few muslim friends and every single one that I've met is an absolutely lovely person. BUT...they are the "when in rome" type of muslim. They speak english, they tolerate others beliefs and they don't force their religion down your throat. I can make "racist" jokes about their religion, they laugh and fire a "racist" christian joke right back at me.

The government needs to drop the whole muslim/religion thing and start imprisoning or deporting people based on their actions. Muslim, christian, buddhist or other, if someone incites protests/riots and makes death threats against citizens, then it should be cause for immediate arrest, sentencing and imprisonment or deportation. No exceptions, no special treatment and no gray areas. "Death to Police", "Britain goto Hell"? Sounds like hate-crime to me....



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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It is quite simple for me really when it comes to immigration. If people make no effort to learn the language or cultures then you are not welcome.

That is not to say you should know the language before you come. However, i have come across people that speak no english after living here for 5 years or more - to me that is someone that is making no effort to integrate.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:59 AM
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Hope she never steps foot in the US. Anti-government, anti-police marches especially in minority communities are quite common.

The marchers in this video seemed to number 200, 300?

In the US, youll see thousands.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:01 AM
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With all due respect I fear that trying to 'separate the good Muslims from the bad' is akin to trying to separate the 'good' Nazis from the 'bad' Nazis in 1930's Germany.

I live in Dudley, just outside Birmingham, in the English West Midlands. I have seen first hand over many years how 'moderate' Muslims have deliberately organised themselves to try to muscle in and take over - using the cover of political correctness and European human rights laws to further their cause. I have seen how they are still trying as hard as they can to build Europe's biggest 'super mosque' just a mile or so up the road, despite massive objections and protests from the majority of the population.

I have seen first hand how English Defence League, comprised of peaceful demonstrators from multiple ethnic backgrounds and nationalities, have been crushed by over-the-top police and portrayed as a bunch of 'white supremacist thugs' by the media and politicians, whilst at the same time Muslim gangs have been allowed to roam freely under the guise of the Labour party funded 'Unite Against Facism'. I have seen this first-hand with my own eyes as I was stuck in traffic during the protests, and have also heard the same from my sister who works in Dudley and was caught up in the protests.

I have seen first hand how the UK bends over backwards to appease Islam, whilst at the same time stamping out any criticism - starting at primary school. My niece and nephews are frequently indoctrinated with Islamic teachings and field trips to places of worship, whilst at the same time are being made to feel bad about being English - all by our own tax payer funded educational establishments.

I have seen first hand how our history is being re-written and 're-branded' to portray Islam as a 'religion of peace' and tolerance. I see every day how we are told on the one hand that we should not discriminate based on race, gender, sexual orientation etc - yet at the same time I see how every day Islamic people do exactly this and are allowed to because they are 'special'. Every day we see evil peadophiles get locked up and are shocked by their crimes, yet we are urged to condone a religion that enshrines child abuse in it's mantra.

Well, I am an artist by profession, an atheist, and my father is an open homosexual, and I have always been taught to treat women with respect - and no, I don't have much time for any religion - but no other religion threatens everything that I hold dear. No other religion is seeking to take power over every part of society, no other religion is spreading like a poisonous cancer at a time when we should be more enlightened than ever and leaving religion behind.

Islam is a clear and present threat to freedom of expression and art, to fairness and equality, to scientific progress, to humanity. It is the antithesis of all I hold dear and care about - and from what I have seen I can say that many others feel the same. There is a time coming when those who still see what we have left that is worth fighting for will take a stand. It will be a civil war like no other, and will make the events that happened in the Balkans seem like child's play. It will, I fear, be bloody and brutal, but make no mistake that war is coming.

The truth intentions of Islam as a whole are now plain to see. The sad part is that it is true that individual muslims can be lovely too - but then so could individual Germans in the 1930s, even if they happened to be members of the National Socialist party, and so too could individual Russians who were members of the Communist Party - but it still doesn't justify not acting to stop the threat.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
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Hope she never steps foot in the US. Anti-government, anti-police marches especially in minority communities are quite common.

The marchers in this video seemed to number 200, 300?

In the US, youll see thousands.


I think you are missing the point entirely. The Muslims in the UK march against ANYTHING British - they hate the police and government, but also anything else British. This is completely different to party politics. This is like a group marching in the US and burning the US flag and shouting ==snip== America.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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There's a phenomenon within a society when the counterculture or subversive culture that is supposedly "on the bottom" gains a foothold. I don't have it's name but it's kind of the Robin Hood syndrome, wherin the rebel faction within a society is no longer opposed by the people in power and is given a carte blanche due to a sense of fear or guilt. Look at 80's & 90's gangsta rap/black american ghetto culture, muslim culture in Europe, trafficante culture in latin america. This rebellious but tacitly accepted subculture becomes very popular with white/middle class youth and is then able to become more and more maninstream and acceptable.. By the time the truly negative effects are realized it is actually too late and has been fully embraced as the cool, hip culture of the down trodden.

Look at your vaguely afro carribean inspired slum culture in Britain and our own pants-around-the-knees ghetto prison culture in the US. We let it go unchecked and now it is the accepted norm. We ask ourselves what's wrong with us that we don't get it because it's been allowed to go unopposed to the point that it's become the fashion. Now everyone's havin babies out of wedlock and thinks that bein a "gangsta" is more important than havin a job. I see potential for muslim culture to go this way as well, we refuse to oppose it and give it a free ride because we're "open minded" and "not racists."

Perhaps soon some sort of anti-western muslim cultural derivation will be the cool thing to do. You laugh but who would've ever guessed that black ghetto culture could be cool? Pants around your knees, illiteracy, misogyny, kids out of wedlock, no job, on welfare, selling crack. This is actually in style in the US, you're pretty much guaranteed to be called a racist if you're critical of it as well. You obviously just don't understand, they are so "repressed." You're such a judgemental bastard.

Why should we oppose these subcultures? Isn't our open mindedness what makes us better than the rest of the world? Aren't we the beacon of freedom on the planet? Yes we are but here's the issue. These subcultures are truly negative in nature. Black ghetto culture is so morally bankrupt and literally bankrupt that they actually rap about being on welfare and how easy of a life it is. Misogyny should never be accepted as a cultural idiosyncracy. Being illiterate and unable to get a job is not cool or good in any way. Eminem is 1 in 100,000,000. Your ghetto child has a very slim chance of growing up to be a successful rap artist and a high likelihood of being in prison or dead or just a loser in general. When did we stop taking pride in being the best in the world and start mistaking a complete lack of standards and decency with being open-minded? We used to be the conquistadors now we're afraid to tell muslims to shut up and illiterate gangstas to get a job and get off our block.

We are weak and stupid and will get what we deserve when our countries are conquered by strong, united, ruthless muslim extremists, that we will welcome as immigrants with open arms. And as our women are forced to wear burqas and swear allegiance to Islam the idiots that got us here will still be convinced that we are all racists and if we only just do as the muslim immigrants ask us to we will live in a truly discrimination free world.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
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this is all controlled from the top down...
blaming the universal joe six pack who is being played
is playing right into the hands of the luciferians


AGREED.

Nevertheless, rolling over and playing dead to the 'Moslem hordes' and their shining swords is not sensible . . .

Do you have a solution?

Or, what is your perspective on the next 6-48 months?





the only way to win is not to play the game
as long as the instigators are instigating they will just keep the ball bouncing

lets say the queen and her priviledged and moneyied friends want it this way
(which they do or it wouldn't be happening)
what would you do then?
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:50 AM
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Exactly.

There is an incredible amount of Christian hypocrisy throughout this thread, as well as generaly xenophobia towards Muslims / Islam. But then, why let the facts get in the way of a good old bit of racism?



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:51 AM
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No, SOME Muslims do. The vast majority don't. The same could be said for any minority group in the UK.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by ComeFindMe
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Exactly.

There is an incredible amount of Christian hypocrisy throughout this thread, as well as generaly xenophobia towards Muslims / Islam. But then, why let the facts get in the way of a good old bit of racism?



Maybe, but I would also caution that the same attitude towards xenophobia needs to be applied to how we treat Muslims. It is very apparent, from day-to-day life here in the UK, that Muslims are not required to treat others with respect.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by ImaMuslim
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Is this guy for real?


WOW. Man, I seriously am flabbergasted at what this guy has just written.

You want to know the truth? Everything you just accused that guy of is more true for yourself.

You are very afraid of dying.

You don't know what the truth is.

You are looking in the wrong places.

You carry a message stained in blood.

Your soul is being torn apart with unrelenting hatred.

You spread ideas fueled by fear and oppression.

Your being quivers in fear at the thought of the unknown and uncertain.

You are a scared little man who condemns those with courage to look into the abyss of the unknown.

You comfort yourself late at night with fleeting thoughts that you really have the all the answers.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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Look, I am not arguing that there are no 'nice' Muslims - I am saying that what I have seen with my own eyes. Also I would note that I have lived in the following places: Dudley (West Midlands), Brixton (London), Canterbury (Kent), Maidstone (Kent), Droitwich (Worcestershire), Brighton (Sussex), and Tucson (Arizona) - so I have lived in very different kinds of communities, ranging from white dominated, through Hispanic, African, Gay, Indian etc - so I can very effectively compare the social cohesion of these. The one element that cause issues with all of them is Islam.

It boils down to this: you will NOT under any circumstances make me respect a religion when a large proportion of the followers would see my father executed for being gay, myself punished for my art, and my girlfriend stoned to death for being a topless model. If you think that makes me a racist or xenophobic then you are deluded. Racism is about 'race' - I think of all Muslims, from any ethnicity, with the same disgust. So its clearly not racist. And as for xenophobic - well don't make me laugh - read what I've just written!!!!



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by OliArtist

Maybe, but I would also caution that the same attitude towards xenophobia needs to be applied to how we treat Muslims. It is very apparent, from day-to-day life here in the UK, that Muslims are not required to treat others with respect.


Is it, really? I would say issues of respect are far more of an issue for the feckless 'yoof' that have no manners (and come from all manner of backgrounds). I can't say my interactions with Muslims are any less respectful than those with non-Muslims.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:03 AM
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:07 AM
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I don't EXPECT you to believe anything - and many of the criticisms you make of Islam are entirely valid - I find homophobia a perversity in itself, in this day and age. However, it is misguided to believe that this is solely a Muslim problem or that they are the reason why it is still an issue in Britain or the West in this day and age.

The extreme of any minority acts in extreme ways - this is not restricted solely to Muslims, by any means.

It seems very lazy - and dangerous - for posters here to make at best baseless and at worst racist generalisations based purely on the religion one practises.



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