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Tip Of The Iceberg--The Beginning Of The End For Britain? {Brit returns hometown 2 assess Muslim}

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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual
You do realize how inflammatory you and others in this discussion are being, don't you?

I'll say it again, I don't fear the peaceful Muslim population in this country.


When the peaceful Muslim population becomes a majority do you think they will vote for a non-religious-driven political candidate, or will they vote for a Muslim Extremist cleric?

If a non-muslim gets in a car accident with a muslim, which will a muslim doctor tend to first, solely based on religious affiliation alone?

I once had a chat with a peaceful muslim. He told me how he loved his fellow man, and how he would always help his muslim brother in need. I questioned that 'muslim brother' part, asking him what if this fellow man wasn't muslim. He simply repeated the exact same line.




posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Certainly, she had bodyguards
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I sure hope she did. They were very aggressive towards her dress, IN HER OWN COUNTRY, they acted like she was in theirs. This is a shame. She seemed to be a Reporter it didn't say. It seems to be a dangerous situation. I've seen alot of videos like this. It's not getting better.. Did you notice one of their replies to her when she said, "Isn't it stated in the Koran to respect the law of the land you're living in.?" To which he said "No, I have freedom of speech."

This is how they seem to work, we're Muslims, You're not, so you're going to hell and we'll make sure to get you there if you don't comply with "OUR" demands. Truly sad.

I know an Iranian woman in America and she's never said or acted this way towards us. Always says May God Bless You. The arses ruin it for everyone else.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by yuppa
reply to post by detachedindividual
 


If we sit back and not worry its just as bad as helping them take over. As for what you think you see i think you are mistaking national pride for something else.



Exactly! But, guess what? We (as a nation, whichever civilized nation that is) won't do a damn thing.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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That programme was propaganda at it's best. It's true that some Muslims hold these views, but none of them can hold a debate outside of a religious factaullity. They and us must remember that the words of god weren't written by god, they were written by Man. Making them completely void of any divinity.

God does not care what religion, faith or value we follow. God doesnt even care if we believe. God only cares about three thing, our power to create, our power to love and our power to make this life a wonderful adventure.

It is not god we disappoint by not addearing to those value but ourselves.

ALS



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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I will try and check the links.

I'm extremely disturbed by some mystifying . . . actions . . . on this thread.

One thing about your post that does not remotely ring true, to me,

is

that America's wars have been

set-up

managed

triggered

began,

etc. by the satanic globalists--likely even the USA Civil war.

In my construction on reality . . . satan is the OPPOSITE OF CHRISTIAN.

And to even PRETEND that the globalists' wars have been

waged

IN THE NAME OF

CHRISTIANITY is absurd to the max.

I would prefer to still engage posters in this thread.

However, my time is valuable.

I try to write more than fluff.

I work hard to write with civility and within the criteria of the rest of the T&C.

A number on this thread seemingly have not made much effort at either and seem to enjoy such liberties. That's disappointing.

It's understandable that naysayers would treat my writing like fertilizer.

In any case, the OP video presents a serious set of issues.

Is it becoming the case that such issues cannot be discussed even in a civil way

WITHOUT being accused of hate speech?

If so, then dialogue is no longer possible and the issues of sanity, civility, FREEDOM, DENYING IGNORANCE ETC. are totally lost except for the burial and mopping up.

May God have mercy on us all.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by BO XIAN
 


You need to separate the Muslims, from the Islamic Extremists and the Sharia Law bunch. Muslims are not the problem, but I agree fully the small percentage who are a problem are likely the ones causing the issues.

I have quite a few Muslim acquaintances here and none of them are into the radical aspects of the Muslim Faith. They came here to get away from them in fact.



There are a few problematic groups in the UK:

The Salafis
The Wahabis
The Deobundi's

There are other smaller groups but these are the main ones that are a cause for concern amongst the majority Sunni Sufi order (which the majority white/black/chinese/European Muslims belong to).

The Salafis and Wahabis are the ones screaming one Fatwah after another, labelling other Muslims and splitting communities apart.

You have the Deobundi's who are supposed to be a Sufi order but they seem to lean towards fundamentalism and have an extreme view of some things.

You also have Shia's however they tend to exist in their own community much like the Jews and are often shunned by the majority Sunni Muslims due to the Shia's innovations of the Religion of Islam.

True Sufi Muslims tend to follow the middle way, remaining balanced and objective i.e. we (as in me and my fellow Muslims) use our intellect, reason and our heart to view the world. Perusing education, sciences and technology so that we are not drowning in ignorance.

It is very easy to blame one group of people or put them into one pot because your own life is so damn miserable you need to find a target to throw your venom against...doesn't work like that I am afraid.

There is something new I have noticed this past year, a general level of hate not seen before, it is inter-fused with ideas from the past, racism, xenophobia, Semitism, fear and plain old ignorance resulting in the world we live in now where people are just too willing to follow whatever trend is going around and then shout as loud as possible that there is injustice in their life.

Not every Asian is a Muslim, nor a guy with a beard, or a head cloth, or traditional wear and not every Muslim is a Fundamentalist (uneducated or ignorant or both) - those labels exist in our minds and fuel our prejudice.

Good Day!
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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a muslim gentleman came into my place of business last night and asked me questions about religion. we got into a very polite and civilized conversation and not once did the mood change. i explained i would be considered atheist and did not believe that there is a god, but i would hope there was some form of life after death.

after he explained his views we exchanged names shook hands and he was on his way, but not before saying "As-Salaamu `Alaykum" or "peace be with you". seems legit right? guy had no anger and did not judge me once.

the people in this video are extremists for sure. to believe this is how all muslims are is horrible. i live in a very rough neighborhood, and literally next to a mosque, and they helped me when i was attacked before. didn't think twice when they chased off the bastards and patched me up.

i do believe the crap going on in UK is getting out of hand and i can see how the people who live in these towns living with this crap are getting angry. how else could you feel if some hate-monger religious zealots took over the place you lived forever and said YOU need to change.


also, i notice OP is from ARIZONA (probably the highest bigotry in america today) and his mood is "JESUS IS K" (i can only assume king of kings?). so i can only see this as a "spread this to save us all from the evil muslims".


and i'm supposed to pick a religion? look at what it does? if god is so peaceful why do we burn in hell if we don't believe? cancel my subscription religion, i am over your issues.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by detachedindividual
You do realize how inflammatory you and others in this discussion are being, don't you?

I'll say it again, I don't fear the peaceful Muslim population in this country.


When the peaceful Muslim population becomes a majority do you think they will vote for a non-religious-driven political candidate, or will they vote for a Muslim Extremist cleric?

If a non-muslim gets in a car accident with a muslim, which will a muslim doctor tend to first, solely based on religious affiliation alone?

I once had a chat with a peaceful muslim. He told me how he loved his fellow man, and how he would always help his muslim brother in need. I questioned that 'muslim brother' part, asking him what if this fellow man wasn't muslim. He simply repeated the exact same line.


I am going to give you the real view from a real Muslim, not some character on the internet.

I consider myself a part of the Majority and while I have love for my brothers (who are white, black, asian, oriental etc) I have respect for my fellow human being.

I recently listened to a story being told by a teacher, which was based on actual facts where a Muslim was driving to the Mosque to pray, as he made his way he saw a white couple broken down on the side who were obviously having difficulties.

Our teacher, my Imam, told us the following:

The Religiosity in a Muslim says that he must fulfill his duties as a Muslim...BUT the Humanitarian must take precedence.

So this man stopped and missed the important Friday congregation so he could assist this white non-Muslim couple who were stranded on the side of the road.

That is a Humanitarian and that is what the true teachings of Islam are.

And I will add something to this, when I returned to Islam after being Agnostic for sometime (or fleeting about spiritually getting to know the world) I encountered a woman and her family stuck in the middle of a road two years ago, when we had our freak UK ice/snow weather which caused havoc on some of our hilly roads.

The poor woman couldn't get up the road as her car had been involved in an accident as I found out after getting out of my car to see what had happened. I also noticed the kids were distressed at this point and they had a boot full of Christmas presents that they needed to get home.

Now they looked at me and my friend and saw two "Muslim" looking guys and I am pretty sure, due to stigma in that area, my friend would have ignored them but I turned around to him and said lets get them home.

Long story short, I managed to get my car moving in the poor road conditions and did two trips to get the family home in time to celebrate Christmas in the morning.

That had nothing to do with being a good Samaritan for me, that had everything to do with acting on what I had learned from those early days of what a Muslim is.

Yes there are people that fit the awful stereotypes but there are also people on ATS who promote blatant ignorance and then plead to the masses rhetoric that is unsubstantiated or at best a statement of prejudice.

Adios.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by GLontra
Why nobody ever complained about the Muslims before 1989?


The Russians certainly did complain about the Taliban in Afghanistan from 1979 onwards.

Muslim radicals were also hijacking airliners throughout the 1970s as well.

A Muslim tried to assassinate the Pope in 1981 but succeeded in only shooting and critically wounding him. Christians around the world did not riot against Muslims. No one was killed by angry Christian mobs.

The main thing however was that colonialism was largely holding the radical Muslims down. That has gone and funded by Wahhabi Saudi money, the radical Muslims are back and doing what they always did.




It was the Russians who invaded Afghanistan.

The Taliban were armed and trained by the CIA to fight the Soviet invasion.


The hijacking of airliners throughout the 1970s was not a work of Muslims. It was a work of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), a SECULAR organization, with nationalist ideology, and no ties to any "militant Islam".

Nobody has EVER said anything bad about Islam in the Western media until the Iranian revolution in 1979. And even after that, there was no hysteria about "Islamic terrorism". That hysteria ONLY started after the end of the Soviet Union, when the Western elites were in need for a new "enemy" to substitute the role of the "Red threat" in their propaganda machine.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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imho,

The Muslim man MAY have or MAY not have judged you.

I see no evidence that you read every silent thought that went through his mind at the time or later to this point in time, about your conversation or person.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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The really sad thing about this video is if the Muslim's have become this strong that they can march in the streets dictating there law and there religion then it is purity much over for Britian.To come to Britian and say if there is no Muslim law here then we will not obay the British law because British law is not Muslim law is like someone comeing into your house and telling you to adhear to what I say or get out.

Quote;"There are no moderate Muslims, just stupied ones who don't know the implications of their own religion.

Read the Quran 2:191-193.

Quote;The prophet is our leader, the Quran is our law, Jihad is our way, dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope................. All Muslims belive in this, just on different levels but in the end none will have a choice, they will either follow the ways of Allah or be treated like infidels.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by old_god

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by BO XIAN
 


You need to separate the Muslims, from the Islamic Extremists and the Sharia Law bunch. Muslims are not the problem, but I agree fully the small percentage who are a problem are likely the ones causing the issues.

I have quite a few Muslim acquaintances here and none of them are into the radical aspects of the Muslim Faith. They came here to get away from them in fact.



There are a few problematic groups in the UK:

The Salafis
The Wahabis
The Deobundi's

There are other smaller groups but these are the main ones that are a cause for concern amongst the majority Sunni Sufi order (which the majority white/black/chinese/European Muslims belong to).

The Salafis and Wahabis are the ones screaming one Fatwah after another, labelling other Muslims and splitting communities apart.

You have the Deobundi's who are supposed to be a Sufi order but they seem to lean towards fundamentalism and have an extreme view of some things.

You also have Shia's however they tend to exist in their own community much like the Jews and are often shunned by the majority Sunni Muslims due to the Shia's innovations of the Religion of Islam.

True Sufi Muslims tend to follow the middle way, remaining balanced and objective i.e. we (as in me and my fellow Muslims) use our intellect, reason and our heart to view the world. Perusing education, sciences and technology so that we are not drowning in ignorance.

IThere is something new I have noticed this past year, a general level of hate not seen before, it is inter-fused with ideas from the past, racism, xenophobia, Semitism, fear and plain old ignorance resulting in the world we live in now where people are just too willing to follow whatever trend is going around and then shout as loud as possible that there is injustice in their life.

Not every Asian is a Muslim, nor a guy with a beard, or a head cloth, or traditional wear and not every Muslim is a Fundamentalist (uneducated or ignorant or both) - those labels exist in our minds and fuel our prejudice.

Good Day!


Very well said i have to say. So its bascically its three main factions that cause the problem? I think we have tried to differentiate between regular tolerant muslims who worship Islam and those who make them look bad. I have no doubt that it disgust you as well the way they act at times. SInce youre well versed is what the man said in that video true about respect for the laws of the land they are in?
I would like to know if you could comment on the video to give us your opinion on what was said by them. Mayby that would clear up some of the confusion.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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The Religiosity in a Muslim says that he must fulfill his duties as a Muslim...BUT the Humanitarian must take precedence

I just want to commend you on that post. It really choked me up. This is how we all should behave. Bless you.
And I hope that more muslims (the ones who are fanatics, some Christians are fanatics too) learn from your example. We can be the change we expect to see in the world .



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Dear ollncasino,



No we are tired of them trying to blow things up. A selected list of UK Muslim terrorist plots. There are many, many more.


Believe me I do not support Sharia law or the changing demographics; but, the immigration did not happen in a day and was allowed to happen. Now that they are in these countries they deserve a say in what the laws are. The US invaded Iraq with the promise of free elections and democracy, we cannot complain when they choose to be a Sharia based country. We either have faith in an believe in democracy or we do not. Peace.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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What peeves me is that a woman, in her own country in her own town, in her own street, is being "told", what to wear and how to act, by people who mostly immigrated there from other places..

This is happenning everywhere in the westtern world, not just england.

Muslims (even the less extreme ones), demand on arrival in a western country, that everyone around then adhier to their customs and ways.

Most arrogant people on earth... I'm not picking on the middle east here, because there are as mant "white muslims" around today with the same ideals.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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to IAMAMUSLIM

I wrote this but your post was deleted.....anyway here goes



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Glory to God......not to Abraham...or to Jesus...or to Krishna....or Buddha....or even to Allah

Every region of this little blue and green ball has its own religious dogma. Each of the Abrahamic faiths purportedly adhere to the ten commandments and yet what do we see? Evangelist Christians worshipping Jesus before God. The catholic church full of graven images, all religions making God jealous, all stealing culture, all coveting....but of course the real humdinger......THOU SHALT NOT KILL. That's the end of the credibility of any of the Abrahamic faiths for me.

God's a lover not a hater......and too busy running the multi-verse to be concerned with our very human, very minuscule. notions of morality. (even yours)



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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Two very good stories that show how kind and generous people can be.

You should be commended, but I put it to you that it had nothing to do with you being a good Muslim but everything to do with you being a good person.

Are you implying that those without faith are incapable of similar acts of kindness and generosity?
I hope not because that then demeans the act itself as I know that to be untrue.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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it's really quite simple, They came to our tolerant culture to experience it, If they don't like it they can go hone, Me? I'm proud of our tolerance,,,,,I see it as a strength.

The silly women covered from head to toe? They are an insult to other women. Why can't men resist them but can resist me in my western dress? Are men so subservient to animalistic instincts they cannot control their physicality? The whole concept is an insult to humanity.

Grow up Islam ......you are where Christianity was at 600 years ago.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by detachedindividual
You do realize how inflammatory you and others in this discussion are being, don't you?

I'll say it again, I don't fear the peaceful Muslim population in this country.


When the peaceful Muslim population becomes a majority do you think they will vote for a non-religious-driven political candidate, or will they vote for a Muslim Extremist cleric?

If a non-muslim gets in a car accident with a muslim, which will a muslim doctor tend to first, solely based on religious affiliation alone?

I once had a chat with a peaceful muslim. He told me how he loved his fellow man, and how he would always help his muslim brother in need. I questioned that 'muslim brother' part, asking him what if this fellow man wasn't muslim. He simply repeated the exact same line.


I once asked a muslim some similar questions.

I got a imilar answer.

The reasons behind muslim violence towards non-muslims are because we are in their eyes less than human.

Islam is peacful to those it sees as fellow human beings, those who are themselves muslim.

Those who are not muslim are less than human so there is no need to be peacful towards them, it is not against their religion to kill such creatures.

We, the non-muslim community are not actually human according to Islam, unless we convert. This is why they feel justified in harming or threatening harm to those who do/will not convert.

Islam is only for islam and nobody else deserves to be treated with respect.

And they wonder why so many hate them..lol

But there is a silver lining to all this...

Sooner or later the SWHTF in the west and although they have quite large numbers in many western countries, they are still grossly outnumbered. Most western police forces and millitaries are still basically westernised and prpbably always will be.

They start a jihad in the west and they will last a couple of days, then they will just be gone...


BTW, those who keep saying China is an ally of the Islamic counrties...

lol

Hardly, they are into the mid-east for the same reason as the rest of us, therre is no love between them though.

Has anybody forgotten what the Muslim Indonesians did to the Chinese Immigrants in East Timor..!?!

Honestly, if China was forced to make a hard descision, I think ultimately, they would side with the west.

Russia on the other hand...
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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right I'll show you a video of westboro baptist church and deem it "the christians are taking over", does that make any sense?



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