Tip Of The Iceberg--The Beginning Of The End For Britain? {Brit returns hometown 2 assess Muslim}

Originally posted by BO XIAN
I don't believe that . . . when one averages things out across all the Muslim immigration into the West . . . that the assertion that "it's a small minority" is quite accurate. I suspect the percentages would be sizeable.
An interesting empirical issue. If you find the stats, please let me know.

Does it really matter if these people are a small minority? One infested neighborhood is one too many. I wouldn't want them living on my street, and I'd probably break a few laws to get rid of them. But, that's the problem with our mainstream society; we don't want to appear uncivilized, so we do nothing. Well screw that. I don't see anything wrong in crushing that which doesn't fit into our way of life: Islamic extremists, KKK, and those fruitcakes at the Westboro Baptist Church. I'm not saying kill them, I'm saying put them on a boat and wave bye-bye.

Hmmmm...

Why nobody ever complained about the Muslims before 1989?

I remember that, when there was the "Red threat" of Soviet Union to worry about, nobody ever complained about Islam and the Muslims.

After the "Red threat" of the Soviet Union was gone, all of a sudden a "new threat" appears: the "Islamic threat".

How convenient for those who need an "enemy", a "external threat" to advance their agendas...

Originally posted by poet1b
It really is starting to look like we will have wide spread cultural wars soon.

For awhile is seemed that we could all live in peace, but right now, it is going the other way.

It certainly seems to be as much as the UK establishment is trying to keep a lid on it, the pressure is just growing.

Extracts from the anti-racism website Fear & Hope

"If a new party was set up that wants to defend the English, create an English parliament, control immigration, challenge Islamic extremism, restrict the building of Mosques and make all public buildings fly the George Cross or the Union Jack."

Fear & Hope
Fear & Hope

A summary of the organisation Fear & Hope's finding in response to that question

21% definitely support it
27% consider supporting it
10% undecided
15% probably not support it
27% definitely not support it

Fear & Hope
Fear & Hope

48% of UK people would definitely vote or consider voting for an anti-Islamic extremism party. 42% would definitely or probably not support it. This data is about a year old.

In other words, a party that wants to control immigration, challenge Islamic extremism and restrict the building of Mosques would win a majority of the seats in a UK parliament.

This would however appear to be diametrically opposed to the in the UK establishment's apparent current dogma of political correctness and moral equivalency and hence isn't supported by any mainstream UK party.

Whats the answer? Ban all Man Made Religion or line everyone up and say "Do you follow a man made Religion?" If they say Yes ship them out to greenland (Sorry greenland people you can come over here ) build a wall around them,make sure they don't have nukes and let them wipe each other out.
Let humanity strive without all the BS of Religion.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


I hear ya, it seems that by trying to do right, we are only making matters worse.

I think we have advanced long past the time where we act as the world's policeman.

I am also in favor or considerable restrictions of immigration until we get our own countries back on track.

I feel, these days, our good intentions have resulted in us getting bitten in the back side.

Things are getting worse, not better.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

You need to separate the Muslims, from the Islamic Extremists and the Sharia Law bunch. Muslims are not the problem......

Well, its getting harder and harder to "separate them" when the "good" ones don't speak up loud enough to even be heard. So great, you have a few friends and they mutter about how they quietly dislike these kind of actions, but while they are whispering in fear, this stuff will take them over too.

but I agree fully the small percentage who are a problem are likely the ones causing the issues.

Small percentage if you don't live around them, especially in a free country. And their goal is not to remain small. All it takes is for a politically correct a nice man like you to do nothing for them to reach their goals. What will you and your quiet Muslim friends say then?

The real problem here is all religion. It was needed when man was but an animal, but in these modern times it is only holding us back. I feel sorry for religious people, bumbling through life like they have some purpose....their ants, surface mold, nothing more, nothing less. Human arrogance can't accept that, so we have religion to make us special.

I'm special enough with out worshiping some idiot's invisible elf.

Originally posted by GLontra
Hmmmm...

Why nobody ever complained about the Muslims before 1989?

I remember that, when there was the "Red threat" of Soviet Union to worry about, nobody ever complained about Islam and the Muslims.

After the "Red threat" of the Soviet Union was gone, all of a sudden a "new threat" appears: the "Islamic threat".

How convenient for those who need an "enemy", a "external threat" to advance their agendas...

Now wait a minute. When I was four years old my U.S. city was probably 99% caucasion. Just fifty years later and there's a nice melting pot of all races. But, these races became Americanized; they WANTED the American way of life. Now we have a religion (not a race of people, but a religion) moving in. And in just fifty years this religion could infiltrate the government. There could very well be a Muslim majority of voters that could put a Muslim cleric in the White House. Then there WILL be laws on how women must dress. Honor killings would be acceptable. Beheading infidels will be just plain right.

If we must believe in religious freedom, then at least let us tell these undesirables that they are perfectly free to worship allah - in the Middle East! They don't have to do it here or in Britain.

Originally posted by GLontra
Why nobody ever complained about the Muslims before 1989?

The Russians certainly did complain about the Taliban in Afghanistan from 1979 onwards.

Muslim radicals were also hijacking airliners throughout the 1970s as well.

A Muslim tried to assassinate the Pope in 1981 but succeeded in only shooting and critically wounding him. Christians around the world did not riot against Muslims. No one was killed by angry Christian mobs.

The main thing however was that colonialism was largely holding the radical Muslims down. That has gone and funded by Wahhabi Saudi money, the radical Muslims are back and doing what they always did.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by neformore

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Oh my. Another "all the muslims are evil thread"

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

No. All Muslims are not evil but the ones who are are very dangerous.

Originally posted by neformore
But still, lets cherry pick a clip and run with it. Makes for good drama eh and helps to feed the obsession?

When it comes to Islamic extremism, there is no need to cherry pick.

While I admire your liberalism, you should research what you defend.

edit on Fri Mar 30 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: fixed tag

You do realize how inflammatory you and others in this discussion are being, don't you?

You're describing all those who oppose your view as "apologists" or that people are defending something you are fantasizing about, and there have been direct threats of violence against a religious group. This is illegal in the UK.

You guys really are starting to sound like something a lot of us recognize.

I'll say it again, I don't fear the peaceful Muslim population in this country.
I am, however, terrified of the brainwashed idiots who fall for neo-Nazi propaganda, the EDL neanderthals who believe every Daily Fail headline, and the general ignorant public who are easily led and believe whatever they are told because they are incapable of thinking for themselves.

In my humble opinion, groups like the EDL and BNP are far more dangerous to this country right now, and this thread has done more to prove that to me than anything I have seen in recent years.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Ahem. Dude its not just one ethnic group or religion complaining about the Islamist. These radicals for some reason or another even in the minority are just as subversive as Hitler was. HE was a silver tongued devil.What we hope they never do is get in charge because it would mean a end of our freedoms. If we sit back and not worry its just as bad as helping them take over. As for what you think you see i think you are mistaking national pride for something else.

Originally posted by OliArtist
post removed by staff

This is exactly why the Muslims will overthrow The United Kingdom...and eventually the rest of the western world. We (as caucasians) are taught to be more than compliant to the wishes of a minority (despite the obvious future of outbreeding/immigration) to be fufilled. I see it every week in Canada, changes being made to suit the incoming strangers, as to accomidate them and thier method of life, regardless of how our culture is actually comprised (namely English, French, and Native)

All to remain politically correct, we will fall to our own self-established passitivity against the non-intigrating Muslim populace. Goodbye Europe, goodbye freedom. Here comes the Sharia Law.

reply to post by IronArm


Look if it ever really did come to that (It won't) the people would fight, I for one would fight any Religion forcing me to believe what they believe.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
You do realize how inflammatory you and others in this discussion are being, don't you?

You're describing all those who oppose your view as "apologists"

I described you as an apologist, no one else.

Like yourself, the founder of Islam, Muhammad wasn't very tolerant of criticism of Islam. According to the first biography of his life, written by Ibn Ishaq in 768AD, who was a devout Muslim, Muhammad's response to criticism was assassination.

• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

• He was also an accomplished caravan raider who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq


Don't get me wrong, I admire your stance at defending religious freedom and attempting to prevent "inflammatory" remarks about Islam.

On the other hand, why is Islam afforded a level of deference that neither Christianity nor secular institutions are afforded?

Is it because Islam is more worthy, or is it because Islam's followers still subscribe to a similar level of tolerance to critics as its founder apparently did?

Originally posted by EvanB
I took my missuses kids to cannon hill park last weekend.. The little fella was disappointed to find out that those ladies in burqas were NOT ninjas, after commenting and being excited that the park was full of ninjas!

ROFL

I have to thank you for that anecdote; reading this thread has been somewhat depressing and your post made me laugh. Humor can be found in everything.

I have a couple Muslim friends who live in my neighborhood. They moved here from Kenya, they are great people and they have been getting more and more grim-faced about what they see as the "destruction of their religion" by Islamic fundamentalism. They call it "The Great March Backward." One of them has recently been poring over a book on Buddhism...though I can't say if that means a change is imminent, or they are just expanding their knowledge(I feel it wouldn't be polite to ask, and they haven't volunteered an explanation).

Would they laugh at this story? Perhaps...I'm not sure. When I first met them years ago, they would have. Maybe not, these days.

In any case, tell your little fella he may have the wrong idea about ninjas. They are not so easy to spot, as evidenced by the following pic:



If he can manage to find the ninjas in that pic, he can expect to start seeing them around the park.

That young lady in that video had alot of courage and didn't back down from them. I applaud her, I really do. But, by the end of the video she was visibly emotionally shaken and saddened by what she's just heard. We need more and more people to stand up to this stuff like her.

I really agree with boymonkey74 on this, I don't want any religion being foisted upon me either. I'm truly sick of it. /rant. Teach with love and others will follow your example.

Originally posted by DaphneApollo
That young lady in that video had alot of courage and didn't back down from them. I applaud her, I really do.

Baroness Sayeeda Warsi pelted with eggs by so-called Muslims.



I remember reading that one of the two aggressive Muslims who confronted Baroness Sayeeda was a preacher in the local Mosque. I'm not sure if that is true.

Certainly, she had bodyguards.

How would you or I have fared?

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

I'm still torn as to how to slice and apportion responsibilities, inclinations, convictions, beliefs etc.

Contrary to so much apologist stuff hereon,

1. My own Muslim friends
2. My own observations
3. My own reading of current and former Muslims

gives me MORE THAN SUFFICIENT pause and concern.

And, those sources in MY EXPERIENCE far outweigh the apologists on ATS.

I applaud the Muslims who turn their backs on such shrillness and brutality.

What I'm not so sure of is . . . given the choice between a fully Muslim society and legal system in the USA . . . would they fight against it or for it . . . and if other more violence prone muslims gained 51% influence in a given city or state--would the calmer Muslims move away or support more emphatic SHARIAH implementation in those areas?

I've heard relentlessly that even the calmer Muslims do not REALLY consider themselves to be TRUE Muslims--on average--because they are not fully Shariah compliant and fully supportive of Muslim conquest.

So, what would it take for other more intense Muslims to shame the calmer ones into compliance?

I think whats going on in Egypt answers your questions dont you. What we would consider moderates are shoved in the back seat. Then they are told what they have to do to be good Muslims. Women are already being relegated to third class citizens they were beter off before the revolution.

Also after watching the video again there wasn't a great many of them were there?
In any group of people you get the extremists and that's what they are.
I know for a fact most Muslims don't want to be involved in extremism and having been to Mosques in Bradford and having talked to the Iman (bloody nice chap btw) they work with the community to root this rubbish out.