Fuel Storage for SHTF Scenario, page 1


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reply posted on 29-3-2012 @ 03:52 PM by hangedman13
reply to post by Gazrok



Ehh with the shelf life of gasoline why even bother storing beyond your needs to get out of dodge? link Except for what you will need for going where your going, how much of a supply do you think you will need? That generator may not be the best use of a dwindling gas supply. For normal storage when it can be refilled all I can say is watch where you store it!
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reply posted on 29-3-2012 @ 04:02 PM by Gazrok
reply to post by hangedman13



Yep, if I didn't have rural property, and room, I wouldn't even think of doing so.

As for shelf-life, there are products that aid in this, that keep the gas usable for up to 10 years (you have to add the products every 6 months). Like PRI-G (Power Research Industries).



reply posted on 29-3-2012 @ 04:18 PM by hangedman13
reply to post by Gazrok



Is the additive formulated for the ethanol in the fuel and how will it hold up if the amount of ethanol in gas is raised? Considering that the mix has been increased at least once in the past few years. I have a friend whose daughter race's and he had a pretty good sized storage container for her fuel. {It was actually a non-ethanol gas} You might want to consider checking into places that sell supplies for racing.


reply posted on 29-3-2012 @ 04:25 PM by Aliensun
reply to post by Gazrok



Sad to say, while having a store of gasoline seems like a good idea, in a very dismal and practical sense, it will be an invitation for your own murder.

When TSHTF, they will come...the mobs that is, when they roam the countryside and spot your tanks. They won't be bullet proof. either. So how will you protect them from a shooter several hundred yards away if their attempts at simply taking the gas from you fails and they decided that if they can't have, neither will you.

You have no advantage. It is a disadvantage. You absolutely will not be able to get any vehicle on the road when all the rest of them are out of gas. You couldn't armor a personal vehicle enough. Even a military tank needs outside support to survive in a battle zone. You won't have it. Rather, you will attract the wrong element. They will hear and see you coming and their guns and fire bombs will be at the ready. There are no simple solutions to survival if TSHTF...maybe their aren't any at all.

(Admittedly, I have a dim view of decency being much of a part in the drastic decline in modern living that is coming. I think the circumstances that we have today and those that we will be forced to accept in those end days of modern life predicts that we will about all turn vicious simply for the sake of necessary for personal survival. That is what it gets down to, personal survival, not the future of the country or the status we can acquire, or the goodwill we build with our fellows,but the gritty survival as depicted in The Road. However, that survival will depend entirely upon strong connections to others that we can forge before the time or after.

Being old, and experienced in many ways. It would do me nor society any good if I held off as many interlopers as I could until I ran out of bullets or got plugged in return. So, don't take me for one of those types. If the time comes, I've decided the best thing I can do is to throw my weight to a young family or local, worthy group and help them survive because I would need not.)
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reply posted on 29-3-2012 @ 10:16 PM by KaiserSoze
Originally posted by hangedman13
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post by Gazrok



Is the additive formulated for the ethanol in the fuel and how will it hold up if the amount of ethanol in gas is raised? Considering that the mix has been increased at least once in the past few years. I have a friend whose daughter race's and he had a pretty good sized storage container for her fuel. {It was actually a non-ethanol gas} You might want to consider checking into places that sell supplies for racing.


Much less convenient, but I have access (free) to containers that are 2.5 gallons each that are perfect for the diesel fuel that my backup generator uses. I only get about 2 per month but I steadily add to my inventory, every one is dated so I can keep track of things. Gasoline is another matter though, I only buy gasoline without ethanol and am much more careful about treating it and rotating it so it doesn't get too old.

It's not too hard to find (free) sources for smaller containers, and the upside is you don't have some guy delivering 500 gallons of fuel to you. You just pick up a few gallons at the station while you fuel your vehicle. SHTF, it's probably not best to draw too much attention to what you are storing.


reply posted on 29-3-2012 @ 10:46 PM by Nucleardiver
Okay here is my take on it. First off don't have anything that runs on gasoline, not only is the shelf life of gas very short, but it can also be difficult to come by in certain scenarios. Also modern gas engines are heavily reliant on computers and could therefore be at an extreme disadvantage if there was an emp.

Diesel is the only way to go IMO. Not only is diesel more stable than gas, but there are still many diesels out there that are mechanical which means that you have no computer or electronics issues besides the starter and alternator, making them almost immune from emp effects. Also with any diesel you can very easily run it off of used french fry oil which I really doubt will be high on the list ofitems that will be looted.

A simple sock screen followed by any low micron cartridge filter will make almost any used cooking oil into a very viable biodiesel substitute. Once you have screened it through a sock you then put it into a fuel tank with a heater core installed inside it and wait for the engine to get to operating temperature, about 200 degrees, then once the oil is heated to operating temperature you simply switch to the cooking oil and drive all you can off of it. It is that simple, I have an 83 Jeep Scrambler with a 4bta Cummings that is my daily driver and I drive 50% of my time to work (90 miles round trip) off of cooking oil with it.

To try and store large quantities of gasoline in a survival situation is not feasible. When you are trying to survive it is all about mobility and self sustainability. When the people around you hear your generator running they are going to assume you have food and shelter, then if they are desperate or crazy enough you are dead and what was once yours is theirs.

Bottom line, don't store gasoline or fuel as in the end you will wish you had spent that money on ammo, guns, and gear.
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reply posted on 29-3-2012 @ 10:56 PM by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Gazrok



Hi gaz,
I guess I can suggest calling or stopping by a tractor supply or other farm equipment outfit. They have the gambit in liquid storage. Usually more affordable than you think.
the best ljb


reply posted on 29-3-2012 @ 11:00 PM by Quickfix
reply to post by Nucleardiver



I totally agree with you.

Diesel Fuel has the longest shelf life out of any fuel.

I would store that rather than anything. Even if you don't have a diesel engine vehicle, you could always find one.


reply posted on 3-4-2012 @ 02:08 PM by Gazrok
Well, the big truck (F350 dual), the tractor, and generators are diesel. So, the biofuel idea is actually a pretty good one for these. (and I'm going to look into that).

This is more for the smaller truck (F250), car, and mower.

I like the leasing idea, I'll look into that also.

Is the additive formulated for the ethanol in the fuel


This company makes the same treatment options that the refineries and oil companies use to preserve fuel quality while awaiting sale, etc. Yes, it takes that into account.

As for storing it in smaller containers...again, untreated gas will deteriorate. It's why your lawnmower that you last used last year, isn't going to start up without adding new, good gas.

As for the tank and visibility, you can bet in a SHTF scenario, I'd be hiding that tank from view. In fact, I've been working on some ideas that can make a decent looking ranch appear like an abandoned for years type place, in such a scenario.


By the way, I got the quote back. I expected around $5000, was just a bit more...

For a 300 gallon tank, mounted, with dispenser hose/nozzle, and associated gauges and what-nots, came to a little over $6200.

I'm definitely going to check into all options (especially the leasing one and biofuels), and see what all is out there, before committing that kind of money to it, but it's nice to know where this is all at. Would have been nice if the quote was more itemized.
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reply posted on 3-4-2012 @ 04:17 PM by neo96
reply to post by Gazrok



www.northerntool.com...

you can buy new or used another thing is using those truck fuel tool box combo's to get and keep it as well as fuel stabiization products like PRI-g and PRi-d and other name brand fuel stabilization products.

Keep fuel in air tight containers and are temperature and water sensitive so it behooves those who stockpile any amount to keep them in the shade so to speak.

Rotation is another thing that one can do to keep their stock pile "fresh".
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