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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Could anyone give some info the meaning of the verse REVELATIONS 13:15

Laymans terms please




posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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Dear angela1111,

What aspect are you asking about? As a rule the dragon (from the preceding verses) is considered to be Satan, the first beast is considered to be a collection of nations and the second beast that tells people to worship the first beast (the nations that are one) is considered to be a leader of the multi-nation system. Revelations is highly symbolic and you really have to go back to the other books to understand what all of the symbols represent. It is a tough one because it takes from all over the bible. I hope that at least helps somewhat.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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yes it does help. so its roughly talking of leadership, satan and nations of people??



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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It would be of much help, if you were to post which version you would like a response to, for not all versions of the texts say the same thing...



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by angela1111
yes it does help. so its roughly talking of leadership, satan and nations of people??


Dear angels1111,

Perhaps it would help if I knew what was on your mind, what are you trying to figure out and how does it fit in with something else you are thinking about?



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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I ask because, I have been fasinated with the malfunctioning of the Olympic countdown clock. The day it malfunctioned was loaded with symbolic metapohor. It stopped on the ides of march. The ides is known as a day where power will fall. Julius casar was murdered on this day. His murder forseen by a seer. So it is considered a phropecy. Since his death, beware of the ides is known as a day that changed the course of history. It falls on March 15 so 3/15

so if you count 315 days in you get 11.11 the mystical number that many of us recieve

Then look at the dates the olympics start and finish...JULY and AUGUST

July is named after Julius and August is named after Augustus...who ruled after Julius was murdered?? Augustus.

The clock stopped on 500 days, the roman empire lasted 500 years.

the minutes and secs add up to 24...symbol for jupiter/zeus.

are jupiter and julius related?? yes, julius was asked to be a flamen dialis, they were their to serve jupiter...there are 15 men and 3 more important gods...315 again..

now 315 is a very tricky number..it has 6 variations, 153, 315, 531 and 351, 135, 513.

153 + 315 + 531 = 999
351 + 135 + 513 = 999

The number 999 is the reverse of 666, the number of the Beast of the Revelation (Apocalypse). This arithmetical strangeness demonstrates that the "power" of the Beast, 666, will be "reversed" by 153, characteristic number of the Christ, to give as result 999, symbol of the application of the divine justice. Thus Satan will be chained for 1000 years, 999 + 1.


I am trying to show, the 315 is related to the nymber of the beast..now when you look at the number of the beast, you see that historians have suggested the number of the beast is realated to the sucsession of Raoman emperors..so again the 315 and the 666 goes back to the olympics, julius was a ruler, augustus was a ruler etc..

What do the olympic rings mean? UNITY OF NATIONS

The logo, there is alot of talk it look like ZION new world

And lastly the clock was made by OMEGA, god I am the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end...

Im sorry to rave on, I wanted to write this out in order..



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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this is somewhat of interest to me, so your response would be appreciated...

How or why does the number 999 be correlated with divine justice?



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 12:36 AM
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Dear angela1111,

I just gave a seven week series on Revelations. The point I continually tried to make is that it doesn't matter. If somehow this is all leading you to God then it doesn't matter. I would never want to start any Christian in Revelations, I start them with Genesis. The issue for each of us is what do we want our lives to mean, who do we want to be?

I don't care who the anti-Christ is, I am responsible for me. I don't care when the world will end, I care about how I live my life and the choices I make. The number one question that should be in everyone's life is are you being the person that you could live with being for eternity? Even an atheist must eventually ask himself the same question, what do you want to mean? Peace.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 01:22 AM
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Could anyone give some info the meaning of the verse REVELATIONS 13:15


The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

I can only give you my interpretation of that verse.

They key to solving this verse is to identify the mysterious "image" of the first beast. To be frank, I don't know what it could be exacty.

The first beast, from the sea is an empire or a regime. The whore is shown to be riding this beast in a later chapter.

The second beast, from the land is the deceiver who works within this regime.

The "image" probably has something to do with a ruling system regulated by the regime (first beast)... the second beast probably "activated" or enforces this system. (he gave breath to the "image" representing the first beast)

I also think, that the image could have something to do with the mark, spoken of in verse 16, because we notice that people who refuse to comply with the "image" and the "mark" end up suffering or killed.

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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear angela1111,

I just gave a seven week series on Revelations. The point I continually tried to make is that it doesn't matter. If somehow this is all leading you to God then it doesn't matter. I would never want to start any Christian in Revelations, I start them with Genesis. The issue for each of us is what do we want our lives to mean, who do we want to be?

I don't care who the anti-Christ is, I am responsible for me. I don't care when the world will end, I care about how I live my life and the choices I make. The number one question that should be in everyone's life is are you being the person that you could live with being for eternity? Even an atheist must eventually ask himself the same question, what do you want to mean? Peace.


unfortunately so many people start there because of all the stuff that has come out of it like in music and movies from Hollywood about angels.

are the Revelations cannon to Judaism or is this exclusively New Testament?



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear angela1111,

I just gave a seven week series on Revelations. The point I continually tried to make is that it doesn't matter. If somehow this is all leading you to God then it doesn't matter. I would never want to start any Christian in Revelations, I start them with Genesis. The issue for each of us is what do we want our lives to mean, who do we want to be?

I don't care who the anti-Christ is, I am responsible for me. I don't care when the world will end, I care about how I live my life and the choices I make. The number one question that should be in everyone's life is are you being the person that you could live with being for eternity? Even an atheist must eventually ask himself the same question, what do you want to mean? Peace.


Not to be rude, but that was the most 'escapist' response I have ever heard, especially coming from someone who makes claim that they just made a seven week series on Revelations!

Although it may just be that you are burnt out on the topic, which is seemingly reiterated in the second part of your response...

BTW, I would love to hear your response to my rant, in which you posted a reply to... I provided a lengthy explanation. I didn't bring the subject of biblical texts, especially that of Revelations, but if you choose to respond I will reply with a 'lengthy' response into the correlations that it has with the texts. As I'm sure you noticed in my OP on said thread, the majority of it was biblical references...



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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The number 999 is the reverse of 666, the number of the Beast of the Revelation (Apocalypse). This arithmetical strangeness demonstrates that the "power" of the Beast, 666, will be "reversed" by 153, characteristic number of the Christ, to give as result 999, symbol of the application of the divine justice. Thus Satan will be chained for 1000 years, 999 + 1.
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BTW, I would suggest that you false in assuming that 'divine justice' is symbolized as '999'

Justice is often attributed to 4... this is where 1+2+3+4 = 10

If you are familiar with 10, and the power that 10 has in a biblical 'numerology', this should become clear.

Find the definition of the 10 names in the genealogical lineage of the bible, then put them together in a sentence...
here's a link to what I'm referencing:
www.bible-codes.org...

This is also why, in the song '(sitting on)Dock of the Bay' Otis Redd, he says...




Look like nothing's gonna change
Everything still remains the same
I can't do what ten people tell me to do
So I guess I'll remain the same, yes


maybe, but probably the case...

Back to 4 and justice, especially that of 'Divine'

This is why there are 4 Beasts, and 4 Horsemen, gods 4 sore judgments... this is why the 'square' is to represent justice 'square our actions by the square of virtue' 4 seasons to a year which when correlated with that of crops brings justice to their evolution... there's a lot more to this but is a great start...

there is a 'hierarchy' in meaning behind the numbers, that relates to the number of digits.
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Each level having distinct characteristics, yet the defining applications of there numbers 'transcend' each level, each level is to pertain to a particular 'class' of application or reference

To better clarify, 3 is the number of creation? 1 is the number of unity and the source of all creation?

So then.... is 3 is to represent something the act of creation, or something of creation, then to apply and additional influence from the source of this creation(1), must only be a result of cause and effect. Now the question is... what gives premise towards changing or influencing an already created 'form'(for lack of a better word)... well that would have to be decided based on justification, aka justice

we then come to the aspect of the 4th Dimension... if the 3'd dimension is to relate to space, many would argue that the 4th dimension is to relate to 'spacetime' now encompassing time.

Now, prepare for a loaded question!

What is the 'supposed' biblical reasoning for 'us' or 'man' spending time on earth... and what will it conclude in, this is where you will find 'justice' and 'justification' fitting. Many suggest that the number 4 is also to be attributed to the relationship between man and the world. Again, only reiterating this point.


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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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I've written several threads on Revelation ch13.
In my understanding, the first Beast represents an empire, a political power, and the second Beast represents the leader of that power.
The relationship between them exactly fits the relationship between Empire and Emperor. For example, the Emperor "exercises all the authority of" the Empire (v12), because the Empire cannot act for itself.
As for "causing the world to worship the first Beast" and "causing the image to speak", a good parallel would be Hitler's speeches at Nuremberg. He was causing his audience to worship the German state or the German "Volk" (ie themselves), and he was causing the object of his worship to speak by acting as the spokesman. And those who did not join in the worship were at risk of being slain. Think of a global-scale version of this.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 08:00 AM
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Could anyone give some info the meaning of the verse REVELATIONS 13:15


13:15 The second beast was empowered to give life to the image of the first beast so that it could speak, and could cause all those who did not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Another book probably contemporary with Revelation, which did not make it into the NT canon, maybe because it had a name attached to it that comes from the OT, 2 Baruch, brings up these characters but uses their OT names (from Job) in chapter 29:

4 And Behemoth shall be revealed from his place and Leviathan shall ascend from the sea, those two great monsters which I created on the fifth day of creation, and shall have kept until that time;
www.pseudepigrapha.com...

So the second beast beast of Revelation would be analogous to the Behemoth.
The first beast would be analogous to the Leviathan.
The fist beast has as its abode, the abyss, which is associated with the chaos that existed at the time of creation. These primordial beasts of the sea and the land were not killed, but had been placed in submission, awaiting a future time where chaos returns. Out of that new chaos, a new creation emerges, after which there is no need for these chaos beasts to exist any longer, because the new creation will last forever, and even the sea itself will disappear.
This is an ancient legend as old as man (at its core is the attempt to answer the perpetual question, "why does the world suck?"), and the writer of Revelation adopts it and puts his own twist on it to fit his own time. Nothing to see here folks . . so, move along.
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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by angela1111
Could anyone give some info the meaning of the verse REVELATIONS 13:15

Laymans terms please


Genesis 3 is the stealing of the fruit of knowledge (Technology). The tree of life is DNA.

Revelation 13

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.

Carbon has 6 electrons, 6 protons and 6 neutrons. It is the foundation of technology and the mark of mankind. Carbon represents the fuel that keeps energy and wealth in the hands of the "experts" in the law. The leaders of the world use the carbon to manipulate the states of matter for gain.

15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

The image is information in an image. You are reading that image on your screen right now. The final form of the image will be a technology that is conscious in respect to it giving awareness to the beast (final Anti-Christ). Compare this to the all seeing eye of Satan in an attempt to see all things.

God stated the warning of the image in Deuteronomy 4:

15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire (GOD IS NOT REPRESENTED BY MATTER IN A FORM).

Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol (GRAVEN IMAGE IN MATTER), an image of any shape (FORM FROM INFORMATION AND CARBON), whether formed like a man or a woman (ROBOT), 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air (AIRCRAFT), 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground (VEHICLE) or any fish in the waters below (BOAT / SUB). 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven (THE HEAVENS IS OUR INHERITANCE). 20 But as for you, the LORD took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt (EARTH IS EGYPT), to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.

The exodus from Earth for the promised land (Universe) is our inheritance. The warning we learn on Earth (Egypt) is the example for us to follow like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. We are here learning how to use the Earth. This simulation then teaches us how to do it right later. The Torah is the guide for the next time we are given a Garden. The Earth is a reflecting point for what comes next.

A final judgment comes when God remakes the universe and Earth back into perfection. The Day of the Lord is the last 1000 years when Christ teaches us what we witnessed in the last 6000 years of creation.

Epistle of Barnabas 15:3 "Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Epistle of Barnabas 15:4

Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end."


To see this clearly, let’s put the information into context with the entire story of the Bible:

-Adam to Abraham 2000 Years of Age 1 (FATHER)
-Abraham to Jesus 2000 Years of Age 2 (SON)
-Jesus to Today 2000 Years of Age 3 (HOLY SPIRIT)
-Day of Rest (Day of the Lord) 1000 years (SALVATION)






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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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Dear SisyphusRide,



are the Revelations cannon to Judaism or is this exclusively New Testament?


This is a great question. While the end times are referenced in the Old Testament (Daniel for instance), Revelations itself is a purely Christian book and not accepted in Judaism. The Jewish religion anticipates the coming of the Messiah and his ruling on earth which is discussed in Revelations also. So I guess you get a mixed answer, yes, they would agree that some things discussed in Revelations is true and not accept other parts. What is also interesting is that the Muslims also believe in a coming Messiah and a final battle.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 07:41 PM
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I hope many of you understand that Revelation 13:11 is speaking of the United States of America. "And I beheld another beast; coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." (Revelation 13:11).

Earth = represents sparsely populated area
2 Horns = represents powers; Republicanism and Protestantism
like a Lamb = like Jesus, liberty of Jesus
spake as a dragon = actions represent Satan

With this out of the way, we can better understand what verse 15 might be about.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear SisyphusRide,



are the Revelations cannon to Judaism or is this exclusively New Testament?


This is a great question. While the end times are referenced in the Old Testament (Daniel for instance), Revelations itself is a purely Christian book and not accepted in Judaism. The Jewish religion anticipates the coming of the Messiah and his ruling on earth which is discussed in Revelations also. So I guess you get a mixed answer, yes, they would agree that some things discussed in Revelations is true and not accept other parts. What is also interesting is that the Muslims also believe in a coming Messiah and a final battle.


my mixed question came from wondering why some are trying to figure it out with math...

thanks for the answer



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Dear SisyphusRide,



my mixed question came from wondering why some are trying to figure it out with math..


Two things, one, I love your avatar, the film is one of my favorites. The second thing is math being used to determine when the end times occur. Ignoring false prophets such as Harold Camping, the New Testament says that nobody knows the time or day; but, that the discerning can know the times they are in. What I am trying to say that for Christians who actually know their bible, math will not provide the answer. I would say the same is true for Jews. Those involved in the occult versions of these two religions (Kaballah or a version of the Gnostics) might believe they can know the time in advance; but, neither would be considered a true Jew or Christian as their definitions of these things would be vastly different.

One of the most famous numbers in regards to Revelations is the number 666. It is said to be the number of a man and a substitute for his name. In Hebrew numbers and letters are the same, 1=A, 2=B and so on. For this reason everyone's name in Hebrew is both a series of letters and a number. The problem with identifying the anti-Christ by the number of his name is that many names add up to 666, therefore that alone would not tell you who it was. Peace.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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Revelations itself is a purely Christian book . . .

Oh, really?
Can you explain why there is a Moon goddess in chapter 12?



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