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posted on Mar, 28 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by AutOmatIc

Um, nope not at all mate. It's just funny how everyone automatically assumes that "oh the FBI is corrupt" or blames everything on our government being corrupt here without acknowledging the fact that yes, there are people in the world who

detest our freedoms
and our way of life and want to kill people.

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I can't believe you just said that they destest our "freedoms" with a straight face so to speak while they are being trampled on from every direction.

Were less free now than many other countries in the world if you care to look around.
Don't bother bringing up some third world dictatorship (though were close, where oligarch's control our government now)

How about comparing our freedoms to other first world nations eh?

Lots of foreigners I talk to say, we can keep our "freedoms" as were being groped by the TSA, Police State Thugs and many people thrown in prison for victimless crimes, of which we top the world in.




posted on Mar, 28 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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It is racist to assume that those "skinnies" overseas are incapable of hating you enough to coordinate operations against you.


It is naive and illogical to assume those those "skinnies" could pull off such a huge operation undetected and intricately, performing impossible ariel maneuvers the best of our own trained pilots cant do, destroy steel frame buildings with fire. Defiance of gravity/resistance and contradicting science in the process all the while without any solid proof and a proper investigation.

It is better to follow the money and see who it really leads to






Why would it be any different with terrorists, even garden variety ones like kkk or the black panthers?


ORLY?

So hate groups are terrorists now?


Does that include Militias too?
Remember that Michigan Militia charged with sedition?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Mar, 28 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier


ORLY?

So hate groups are terrorists now?


Does that include Militias too?
Remember that Michigan Militia charged with sedition?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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Some of them are, when they try to start a race war, or start a civil war.

The Order - they robbed banks, murdered armored car drivers, blew up a synagogue, and murdered a jewish talk show host.

Aryan Republican Army robbed 22 banks, and close personal friends with Timothy McVeigh

Republic of Texas - encouraged members not to pay debts, filed fraudulent titles in courts; kidnapped 2 hostages to for a "prisoner exchange" to gain the release of several members, and planned an assassination plot against President Clinton.

All of these groups tried to use fear as a weapon. so yeah, terrorists.



posted on Mar, 28 2012 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

It is naive and illogical to assume those those "skinnies" could pull off such a huge operation undetected and intricately, ......



Gotcha. That's racism. right there.

Many of the third worlders hold engineering and business degrees; with focus on project management and systems analysis. They study complex topics at our universities, and are quite capable of the intellectual effort required. As for stealthiness.... you don't even believe they exist!

And that's no MacGuffin.
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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 12:23 AM
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I'm sure there's more to the guy that what ever is in the text. I'm grateful they brought him down.
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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

It is naive and illogical to assume those those "skinnies" could pull off such a huge operation undetected and intricately, ......



Gotcha. That's racism. right there.

Many of the third worlders hold engineering and business degrees; with focus on project management and systems analysis. They study complex topics at our universities, and are quite capable of the intellectual effort required. As for stealthiness.... you don't even believe they exist!

And that's no MacGuffin.
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Not racist at all, I do not base that on race but people doing the impossible. It would make no difference if they were Caucasian or whatever.

Who are they ? You mean religious extremists? Oh yeah they exist especially in the USA, evangelicals to name a few they exist in all religions even the Muslim faith. Do people want to kill Americans because we are bombing them and embargoing them and occupying them? Of course, I would feel the same way. However there are Americans as disgruntled with our own tyranny as well, but all we hear about is Muslim's and how they all want to kill us. Yet no terrorist attacks after 911, yet no tangible proof to prove who orchestrated 911. That does not make me racist at all quite the opposite, if being skeptical is racist then guilty as charged.
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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 01:17 AM
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Some of them are, when they try to start a race war, or start a civil war.


Some you said


The American Civil War battles started with the Confederate forces attacking the Union military installment at Fort Sumter in South Carolina on April 12, 1861.



Would you call the Union terrorists? Does dissent qualify as terrorism?


The Order - they robbed banks, murdered armored car drivers, blew up a synagogue, and murdered a jewish talk show host.




Aryan Republican Army robbed 22 banks, and close personal friends with Timothy McVeigh


So murder and bank robbery are acts of terrorism? If that is the case why aren't our prisons lined with terrorists? Just criminals? Is being friends with with a terrorist make you one too? Bush family was friends with the Bin ladens, Guilt by association. LOL these are hate crimes in blowing up a synagogue or murdering a jew or is there a difference?


Republic of Texas - encouraged members not to pay debts, filed fraudulent titles in courts; kidnapped 2 hostages to for a "prisoner exchange" to gain the release of several members, and planned an assassination plot against President Clinton.


I guess my answer would be the first response, refusal to pay debts and inspiring others well that seems to be pretty petty of a crime. Kidnapping is just crime as it is illegal. Conspiracy to murder a politician is more so Coup d'état in nature then terrorism itself. We did not hear people scream "terrorism" when Kennedy was assassinated did we?


All of these groups tried to use fear as a weapon. so yeah, terrorists.


So the Media as well as the United States Government can also be implicated for terrorism in that respect as well.


Nobody does it better the the Homeland
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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

Who are they ? You mean religious extremists? Oh yeah they exist especially in the USA,



See, your focus is always on "America" as the subject. If anything important happens, it must be American. So, while you admit that there are extremists "even in the Muslim faith," The focus of your thoughts is always on America and Americans. As if they are the only real actors on the stage of human history, and the rest of the world are merely extras in the cast.

In the worldview that gives rise to your assumptions, Americans are the main concern: Evil Americans trying to oppress the rest, and good Americans resisting them, or being extremists or whatever. And everyone else, the other 95% of the planet, have only a marginal existence at best.


Do people want to kill Americans because we are bombing them and embargoing them and occupying them? Of course, I would feel the same way.


See, they don't even have a name; they are merely "people," whereas "Americans" maintain their own unique identity. And if these these unnamed foreign "people" have individual thoughts or feelings, those feelings are something you assume you can instantly understand---and their motivations could never even conceivably reach beyond mere dissatisfaction with US foreign policy.



However there are Americans as disgruntled with our own tyranny as well, but all we hear about is Muslim's and how they all want to kill us.


Again, your assertion assumes that Americans who are unhappy should matter more than "Muslim's"; and if "Muslim's" are getting more of the attention, then it is somehow undeserved.



Yet no terrorist attacks after 911,...


Only if America is the sole relevant nation. Thousands have died in attacks in the UK, in India, in Spain, not to mention Africa and the Philippines. But again, those "little" people don't really enter into your calculations, although the CIA and FBI have been involved in most of those investigations, as have interpol and national police organizations.

Internal traffic from Al Qaeda, and even the Bin Laden lectures on videotape, indicated that AQ shifted it's focus to softer targets closer to their base, and to the "frontiers of Islam" in Africa and the Pacific Rim. But again, that cannot matter because a "brown person" said it: so he must have been an American Stooge, since you assume that no "third worlder" can think for himself, or formulate his own plans.



yet no tangible proof to prove who orchestrated 911.


And Al Qaeda operatives' confessions, their videotaped wills, and even Bin Laden publicly and privately taking credit cannot be considered "evidence." Because they are "only" foreigners. It doesn't get said until an American says it.



if being skeptical is racist then guilty as charged.


Skepticism isn't racist. What is racist is your unquestioned assumption that non-Americans are irrelevant in the whole issue of international terror---that the whole thing must somehow "really" be about Americans, even if it is sinister American cabals within the federal government. The racism comes into play when you cannot even see that you continually relegate non-Americans to the sidelines in the great battle between good and evil that is your narrative of the sinister government plotting against your liberty.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

So murder and bank robbery are acts of terrorism? ,,,,, LOL these are hate crimes in blowing up a synagogue or murdering a jew or is there a difference?



wow.



I guess my answer would be the first response, refusal to pay debts and inspiring others well that seems to be pretty petty of a crime.


If somebody filed a fraudulent title to your farm, your house, or your car, I doubt you'd think it was petty. If they had no real chance of success, but just wanted to make you miserable and cost you lots of lawyer fees, that might feel like....being terrorized. but a "petty crime" in your eyes.



Kidnapping is just crime as it is illegal. Conspiracy to murder a politician is more so Coup d'état in nature then terrorism itself.


Wow. Again. Don't you figure the FBI reads on ATS????



We did not hear people scream "terrorism" when Kennedy was assassinated did we?


Yes, we did. I own a collectible book from 1965, about how it was a communist plot to destabilize the US (and it brings up a lot of data that you don't find in more recent books, btw)


If none of those things is terrorism, what is????



Nobody does it better the the Homeland


Again with the "America is all that matters" assumptions.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by AutOmatIc

Originally posted by intrptr
Imagine the Government needing justification for all the blanket civil liberties violations legislation by fomenting domestic terrorism at home. It would fit. Without going into all the details, I guess trolling for "terrorists" in a "poor neighborhood" might work. And then what a story. FBI gallantly foils domestic terror plot! See, See! We need all the police state you can dish out. Thankyou for protecting us one more time!

Not this time, however...

And the media will wait patiently for the next one.


Is is so hard to believe that there might actually be sleeper cells in the U.S.? Real trained operatives that at a given moment could unleash a tidal wave of suicide bombings and other crazy acts of terror?


In 2004 the FBI suggested that al-Qaida sleeper cells were believed to be operating in 40 states, awaiting orders and funding for new attacks on U.S. soil. The bureau believed that these agents were being funded “by millions of dollars solicited by an extensive network of bogus charities and foundations,” with the cells using “Muslim communities as cover and places to raise cash and recruit sympathizers.” U.S. law-enforcement authorities claimed to have satellite photos and communications intercepts that documented between 60 and 70 camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and in Pakistan. Still, finding sleeper-cell terrorists is very difficult, especially with the presumption of innocence and extensive legal rights and civil liberties granted suspects under U.S. law.


Sleeper cells in America

...but nooo that can't be possible...go back to sleeeeep...watch the next episode of the Walking Dead, be entertained, be distracted...meanwhile while people still are all about Al-CIA-duh, they have no idea about the Lashkar or LeT:


India’s then National Security Adviser M. K. Narayanan, for instance, warned, on August 11, 2006, “The Lashkar (LeT) today has emerged as a very major force. It has connectivity with west Asia, Europe... Actually there was a LeT module broken (sic) in Virginia and some people were picked up. It is as big as and omnipotent as al Qaeda in every sense of the term.” Again, on April 21, 2010, he reiterated, “The LeT has networks in 21 countries, including Australia, North America, Europe and Asia."


Pakistani jihad group

It is true that not all American Muslims are extremists, but that does not mean that they don't exist, or communicate and are not well funded. So, yea, there are reasons why the FBI might be watching these people, and trying to figure out what they are up to, so that you can continue to buy slurpees at your local 7-11 without fear that some extremist will blow it up in the name of Allah and for Jihad! If that means they must employ underhanded techniques such as informants and setups well, so be it. Welcome to the world of terror!


I cannot understand your line of reasoning. The world is a dangerous place. I would much rather get detonated by some extremist at a 7-11 as opposed to our LEA using underhanded techniques against the citizens they swore an oath to protect. Seriously....when a nation must subvert the very principles it is founded on to "protect" citizens from activities the government defines as extremism....that nation has already been destroyed and simply does not realize it.

I am prepared to die. If it is my fate to meet my end by some terrorist bomb...so be it. I greatly prefer that outcome as opposed to the blatant double-standard this government applies to its lifeblood(citizens). At this point, anyone who is not a government agent is a potential suspect and potential threat. This sort of behavior is FAR more dangerous to the average citizen than any so called terrorist action.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
Khalifah al-Akili emailed the Guardian shortly before his arrest to say he thought he was the target of an 'entrapment' sting

So let me get this straight. The FBI using the exact same tactics as before, offers to "train and arm" the suspect. Realizing that this is a setup, the suspect sends out a blast e-mail to the media and makes some phone calls detailing his suspicions.



This should be filed under the category:

PROOF OF AL QAIDA BEING A US TRAINED ASSET



Maybe PROOF is a bit strong, since it's incidential ... but it sure looks like one, if this be true.
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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 03:27 AM
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Wow... see, these are the stories that would raise red flags and make people question the government... which is why these stories are never on the news. For example; the guy who shot that black teenaged boy, that story is all over the country... but a citizen was at fault, and some may argue that the incident was racist. If the government wrongfully kills someone or is suspected of acting on racism, of course they're not gonna exploit it the way they do when a citizen preforms a crime.

Basically, stories of citizens breaking the law distracts society from the government breaking the law--which, I believe, they do on a fairly regular basis. This FBI scandal is just one of the very many examples.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by AutOmatIc
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Also, the man sent paranoid emails saying he was being "entrapped" ...seriously? Innocent people don't send out paranoid emails to other people saying they are being set up unless they ARE feeling guilty for something.


I have never read a more compelling reason to have "anti-stars" on this site. In line with the site motto I feel I should "deny" you but first a few points.

How exactly are they "paranoid emails" when the FBI actually were out to get him and were trying to set him up?

If he was so clearly guilty, why did they entrap him? After all, you indicate that "sending emails" is now considered definitive proof of guilt of "something". Perhaps they should have a new crime, commiting "something (but we can't quite put our finger on what) while in possession of either a Quran, brown skin or a funny-sounding surname"?

Innocent people react in all sorts of ways, especially when they feel they are being accused of something. Angry, indignant, confused, surprised, scared, unsettled... just ask any kid who is getting blamed for something they didn't do.

Maybe the guy was a terrorist in waiting, but cottoned on to the sting before letting his true colours show. Maybe he should be in jail for a multitude of reasons. He should NOT, however, be treated as anything other than a victim of a horrendous campaign purely on the basis that "you think he's guilty because innocent people don't send indignant emails".

Deny ignorance, etc etc



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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Here's a US newspaper's take on it all:

www.post-gazette.com...


A man prosecutors characterized as a longtime Taliban sympathizer was ordered detained Friday on charges that he possessed a rifle despite a past felony conviction for drug-dealing.

Khalifa Ali Al-Akili, 34, of Wilkinsburg, formerly known as James Marvin Thomas Jr., held the rifle at an unidentified shooting range in July 2010, according to photos, a video and testimony before U.S. Magistrate Judge Robert C. Mitchell. The photos and video came from an email obtained by the Department of Homeland Security, according to an affidavit filed in the case.

When agents went to arrest Mr. Akili on Thursday, he ran, but was caught at the door to the Allegheny County Housing Authority apartment building in which he lives, as he tried to punch in a door code.

When they searched his house, they found unspecified "jihadist literature and books on U.S. military tactics," FBI Special Agent Joseph M. Bieshelt testified.

Mr. Akili is known to have expressed sympathy for the Afghan resistance movement in a 2005 conversation with a man he knew in prison, Agent Bieshelt said.

He has in the past told federal informants that he had plans to go to Pakistan and join the Taliban, Agent Bieshelt said. And he was recorded in December saying "that he was developing somebody to possibly strap a bomb on himself," said the agent.

Mr. Akili's attorney, Michael Healey, said his client has Bibles in his house, too, and said, "there's nothing to the jihadi thing." He suggested that Mr. Akili had not gone to the Middle East, Afghanistan or Pakistan since making the statements, suggesting they were bluster.

He said that no guns or ammunition were found in Mr. Akili's house, and added that the new father had recently been the subject of an apparent law-enforcement sting.

"They have sent a number of informants to try to get him to sell weapons to the informants," Mr. Healey said, but Mr. Akili rebuffed them.

Mr. Healey said Mr. Akili identified the informants as the same men investigators used to infiltrate the so-called Newburgh Four -- New York men who were convicted after recorded conversations suggested that they were plotting to blow up synagogues.

Assistant U.S. Attorney James Wilson said that Mr. Akili has a history of fighting with police in incidents in 1999 and 2006, and failing to show up for court hearings. He is the subject of 16 outstanding warrants, mostly for minor infractions, he said.

Judge Mitchell weighed evidence, noting that Mr. Akili has a wife who is Somali with a United Kingdom citizenship. The judge found him to be a flight risk and a danger to the community. He will be held without bond pending trial.


Bias, much?

After reading this, I can't help but have this sentiment towards the FBI:
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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by jacobe001

Originally posted by AutOmatIc

Um, nope not at all mate. It's just funny how everyone automatically assumes that "oh the FBI is corrupt" or blames everything on our government being corrupt here without acknowledging the fact that yes, there are people in the world who

detest our freedoms
and our way of life and want to kill people.

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I can't believe you just said that they destest our "freedoms" with a straight face so to speak while they are being trampled on from every direction.

Were less free now than many other countries in the world if you care to look around.
Don't bother bringing up some third world dictatorship (though were close, where oligarch's control our government now)

How about comparing our freedoms to other first world nations eh?

Lots of foreigners I talk to say, we can keep our "freedoms" as were being groped by the TSA, Police State Thugs and many people thrown in prison for victimless crimes, of which we top the world in.




Well, I'll kill a few minutes and tell you what the FBI did to me. It's always a bit murky in these cases as to who, what, how, and why, but I do have 8 yrs university hard core math/science, a 4.00 gpa in my master's major, not to brag about credentials, but with an A with years professional practice in inferential stats, my judgment should be as good as anyone's. I caught them in an embezzlement scheme with their friends and attempt to bully a legal and established Indian owned ambulance out of business. When "they" failed to convince anyone with a malicious newspaper article, "they" drained gas and cut battery cables to ensure that someone died without benefit of aid and the ambulance owner couldn't operate. I wrote the AG to ask for help, recognizing that this was willfull negligent homicide, one of a series of related incidents where these same agents and their attorney friends were involved in very suspicious deaths. The AG ignored me, and a week later, two middle school girls bled to death on the street without benefit of aid. Following that, mixed with various dire threats conveying the same implications that included a heinous death, one of the agents personally so threatened me with illegal and terminal, malicious action. That predictably came first in the form of a suit against my wife that precipitated a mental breakdown in 1996 that she never recovered from, my daughter as well bit the dust. I moved out of town partly for that reason and that my autistic son was not safe in the school system where in part these actions were taking place. I was accused of being mentally deranged for referencing these threats, which by the way similar to the claims of several others in the state, some of those followed by the murders of those so threatened. I managed to scrounge a K12 job working in the same school my son attended until he could graduate, for five years having to put up with remarks by the K12 admin lackeys about their pornography, porn frequently being planted on staff computers by the same bunch of creeps, a friend's daughter's credible claim to have been raped in the same building, so I quit. Shortly after, someone followed me to a fishing hole in a ritzy pickup, claiming to have smoked crack every day at a major employer in Missoula. That was hard to believe, but that was the identical MO by the FBI for peddling crack cited by people who had been murdered, who also were claimed to have been coerced into peddling crack for the FBI. So, that confirmed very well what was fact and not conspiracy theory. So you can smell these punks a mile away, they had planted someone in my Bible study who later, as you might have guessed, invited me to work at this place, next to the DOJ, unskilled, sweat job, mostly dozens of kids (age 20 more or less high school and college students), $5/hr, so I stuck with it for a while, and yeah, you better believe it, absolutely, these undernourished bearded wonders called managers 1/3 my age were trying to coerce me, and apparently others as well, into puffing on crack or crank during break. "They" also tried to employ my son there after graduation. Clearly, there was a GPS gizmo on my pickup, and one other thing, I can't prove it wasn't an accident, but it definitely was deliberate, a paid hit, and myself and three Bible study members, two elderly ladies, were hit at over 100mph by a dual wheeled monster just as we dropped down next to the Snake River. It was indeed a miracle, our driver managed to steer us away from the river, but the car was totalled. Had we hit the Snake, raging in June, there's very little chance we would have ever been found. Now, no doubt I'd get nowhere trying to push these issues, but getting out of the states was the smartest thing I ever did. So, that's how these scumbags play ball, don't forget it



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by AutOmatIc

Originally posted by intrptr
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Dude you sound very terrified.
Maybe take that visor off? It's blocking your vision.


Um, nope not at all mate. It's just funny how everyone automatically assumes that "oh the FBI is corrupt" or blames everything on our government being corrupt here without acknowledging the fact that yes, there are people in the world who detest our freedoms and our way of life and want to kill people. So when they do a sting operation you can bet your bottom dollar that there is good reason and evidence for it that may never see the light of day...such as phone calls, emails, financial records that connect the dots and give them a reason to do what they do. Classified intel, is just that...classified. And they do have reasons for keeping it that way.

Not everything is a false flag, or a conspiratorial setup.


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please take 3minutes to digest this.


BlowBack, my friend.....
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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 06:10 AM
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If this guy was a real terrorist and not just a victim he would not have contacted the paper but probably lead the agents to a deserted spot where he would have executed them. A real radical terrorist would place know value in human life at all. If you were prepared to kill yourself then would would place little value in the lives of others. If fear were the main goal a high profile target such as a president, king or queen or a high profile banker would be a much better bet as it would show that anybody could be gotten to. These people are more likely to be your direct enemies as well rather than the average man in the street who is just trying to get on with life. A real terrorist would more likely fight to the death than just blow themselves up. Do these people not realise that terrorists ( if they exist) have resources to find out who is in the lettered agencies where they live etc. If the American government attacks Iran they might just find out how much information others have on them when they find that some of their agents not to mention people of importance are being killed or just disappearing. Bombs and violent acts are always the acts that seem to be portrayed as they are visible and dramatic but would not be the weapons that a smart terrorist would use as their destructive appeal only works once and it exposes the group that would commit these acts. A smart terrorist group would use more subtle means of destruction and influence than just overt violence and where weapons were used a degree of deniability would be used.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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I think that there are some genuine foreign-born terrorists who occasionally attack the US. Look at a case like Malik Hassan, who shot up Fort Hood. He is the kind of assailant the intel community is practically powerless to stop: He is self-motivated, part of a kind of leaderless resistance. The military was too incompetent with political correctness to see his hatred blooming into action. Since he was a professional, he easily avoided being caught by FBI, etc.

On the other hand, every domestic terror plot you ever hear of is heavily infiltrated with government agents:

-Randy Weaver was goaded/coerced into making an illegal gun
-The Branch Davidians were infiltrated by FBI, whom they caught; it was the reason for the raid.
-McVeigh and Nichols had help, also a government plant. Their deal spun out of control.
-This latest episode with a militia in michigan; again, a government agent was spotted by the group.

In every case, it is the government pushing the group into criminality and prosecutable offenses---things they would not have done if they had been left alone.

My own personal experience, watching a particular US organization, fits in with this pattern.

So I conclude

1. There are real terrorists, bent on destroying US and western civilization. The feds are largely impotent to stop them, however.

2. There are a very few domestic groups, who could descend into violence. The feds channel these groups into committing crimes the feds can prosecute, by agent provocateurs goading the citizens into illegal acts.

3. The government legitimizes it's tactics, by pointing to the occasional genuine successes. But to make sure they have some, they just create them. This is to cover up the genuine threats they are powerless to stop.

It helps them maintain the deceit that they are really in control of the situation.
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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 06:44 AM
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Hopefully we will see more of this, people speaking up to the tactics used by the FBI, MI5/6 etc.

I understand what the authorities are doing, they are hoping using this tactic, they will net people who "MAY" have been thinking about going down the extreme route and because they had some results they carried on with the tactic.

The problem is when you do a blanket sweep you are labelling everyone as something and assuming they are guilty by default, like saying every white person is a racist or every black person is a criminal.

This proves that what these agencies are doing is wrong. This man probably minced his words in the past and stated something because he didn't agree with the invasion and occupation in Afghanistan however he is obviously capable of working out that someone is trying to set him up.

What does this say about America, the UK and people in general?

People have been force fed paranoia that they believe the hype and this is no doubt perpetuated by events like this which begs the question:

How much of everything that has occurred is not a set-up? One persons Entrapment is another Persons fake threat.

Adios.



posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by Qspeedyrock
If this guy was a real terrorist and not just a victim he would not have contacted the paper but probably lead the agents to a deserted spot where he would have executed them.


A real terrorist would have had a concrete mission, and the discipline to stick to his task. He would never have compromised his evil master plan by going to a gun range, or by having conversations that would arouse suspicion.

Looking back, this guy was not a terrorist.

The guys who flew the planes on 911 were genuine foreign terrorists

McVeigh was a local the FBI thought they could manage, who grew into a genuine terrorist. He got back at them by doing what you said---he bombed a regional FBI office and the day care where most of the agents' kids would be.



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