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Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by longjohnbritches
According to semantics if our feet are on the surface of earth then the rest of us is in outer space. Boundry BA
Where do you find any definition of outer space that would support your notion? Your statement is not "semantics", it is simply false.
For example there is nothing that really changes from the center of the earth's core with respect to gravity out into deep deep space.
You see it is not as if there is a yellow police tape wrapped around the planet that says BOUNDRY. All boundaries or points of reference are in flux physically and philosophically
Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by longjohnbritches
For example there is nothing that really changes from the center of the earth's core with respect to gravity out into deep deep space.
Nothing changes? How about its intensity?
You see it is not as if there is a yellow police tape wrapped around the planet that says BOUNDRY. All boundaries or points of reference are in flux physically and philosophically
But the distinctions are not without differences. The lines are drawn for reasons and regardless of where those lines are it seems the OP is attempting to redefine his initial premise.
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
I am not arguing about there utility. But as I said they are there at the wim of the author unless challenged by convention.
Boundary
There is no clear boundary between Earth's atmosphere and space, as the density of the atmosphere gradually decreases as the altitude increases. There are several standard boundary designations, namely:
-The Fédération Aéronautique Internationale has established the Kármán line at an altitude of 100 km (62 mi) as a working definition for the boundary between aeronautics and astronautics. This is used because at an altitude of roughly 100 km (62 mi), as Theodore von Kármán calculated, a vehicle would have to travel faster than orbital velocity in order to derive sufficient aerodynamic lift from the atmosphere to support itself.
-The United States designates people who travel above an altitude of 50 miles (80 km) as astronauts.
-NASA's mission control uses 76 mi (122 km) as their re-entry altitude (termed the Entry Interface), which roughly marks the boundary where atmospheric drag becomes noticeable (depending on the ballistic coefficient of the vehicle), thus leading shuttles to switch from steering with thrusters to maneuvering with air surfaces.
In 2009, scientists at the University of Calgary reported detailed measurements with an instrument called the Supra-Thermal Ion Imager (an instrument that measures the direction and speed of ions), which allowed them to establish a boundary at 118 km (73 mi) above Earth. The boundary represents the midpoint of a gradual transition over tens of kilometers from the relatively gentle winds of the Earth's atmosphere to the more violent flows of charged particles in space, which can reach speeds well over 268 m/s (600 mph).
Originally posted by Gibborium
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
I am not arguing about there utility. But as I said they are there at the wim of the author unless challenged by convention.
Are you referring to blocula or just any author? Because, blocula has been challenged and proven wrong about his definition of space. Each division creates an opportunity for definition. However, convention has already defined space as was noted:
jra's previous post
Boundary
There is no clear boundary between Earth's atmosphere and space, as the density of the atmosphere gradually decreases as the altitude increases. There are several standard boundary designations, namely:
-The Fédération Aéronautique Internationale has established the Kármán line at an altitude of 100 km (62 mi) as a working definition for the boundary between aeronautics and astronautics. This is used because at an altitude of roughly 100 km (62 mi), as Theodore von Kármán calculated, a vehicle would have to travel faster than orbital velocity in order to derive sufficient aerodynamic lift from the atmosphere to support itself.
-The United States designates people who travel above an altitude of 50 miles (80 km) as astronauts.
-NASA's mission control uses 76 mi (122 km) as their re-entry altitude (termed the Entry Interface), which roughly marks the boundary where atmospheric drag becomes noticeable (depending on the ballistic coefficient of the vehicle), thus leading shuttles to switch from steering with thrusters to maneuvering with air surfaces.
In 2009, scientists at the University of Calgary reported detailed measurements with an instrument called the Supra-Thermal Ion Imager (an instrument that measures the direction and speed of ions), which allowed them to establish a boundary at 118 km (73 mi) above Earth. The boundary represents the midpoint of a gradual transition over tens of kilometers from the relatively gentle winds of the Earth's atmosphere to the more violent flows of charged particles in space, which can reach speeds well over 268 m/s (600 mph).edit on 5/16/2012 by Gibborium because: spelling correctionedit on 5/16/2012 by Gibborium because: grammar
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Originally posted by Gibborium
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
I am not arguing about there utility. But as I said they are there at the wim of the author unless challenged by convention.
Are you referring to blocula or just any author? Because, blocula has been challenged and proven wrong about his definition of space. Each division creates an opportunity for definition. However, convention has already defined space as was noted:
jra's previous post
Boundary
There is no clear boundary between Earth's atmosphere and space, as the density of the atmosphere gradually decreases as the altitude increases. There are several standard boundary designations, namely:
-The Fédération Aéronautique Internationale has established the Kármán line at an altitude of 100 km (62 mi) as a working definition for the boundary between aeronautics and astronautics. This is used because at an altitude of roughly 100 km (62 mi), as Theodore von Kármán calculated, a vehicle would have to travel faster than orbital velocity in order to derive sufficient aerodynamic lift from the atmosphere to support itself.
-The United States designates people who travel above an altitude of 50 miles (80 km) as astronauts.
-NASA's mission control uses 76 mi (122 km) as their re-entry altitude (termed the Entry Interface), which roughly marks the boundary where atmospheric drag becomes noticeable (depending on the ballistic coefficient of the vehicle), thus leading shuttles to switch from steering with thrusters to maneuvering with air surfaces.
In 2009, scientists at the University of Calgary reported detailed measurements with an instrument called the Supra-Thermal Ion Imager (an instrument that measures the direction and speed of ions), which allowed them to establish a boundary at 118 km (73 mi) above Earth. The boundary represents the midpoint of a gradual transition over tens of kilometers from the relatively gentle winds of the Earth's atmosphere to the more violent flows of charged particles in space, which can reach speeds well over 268 m/s (600 mph).edit on 5/16/2012 by Gibborium because: spelling correctionedit on 5/16/2012 by Gibborium because: grammar
All authors are subject to the best knowledge of their time. Convention changes like the subjects.
Your concept of the OP is merly an opinion in flux.
ira's blurb substanciates my opinion of bounrary.
At least for the mean while.
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by denver22
Naw, don't take it peronal, Better things to do now. Later.
Originally posted by PrinceDreamer
Now if yo want to argue that the Moon photo's are fake, I will give that some traction, I believe we went to the moon, I just think the photo's are fake to keep something hidden. I think they realised once they were on the Moon they couldn't show the real photographs and so hastily had to make some up hence there are errors in them. But that could be me just being a simpleton like you
Originally posted by denver22
reply to post by MarkScheppy
I definitley think we wen't to the moon as like you say the technology we had even in 40s let alone the sixties
yes some astronauts lost there lives tragically
R.I.P i would not be happy if i was one of the family who lost their loved ones in that accident only to get them saying its all a hoax ..
Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22
What exactly do i have available for me to research?
Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22
Almost 100 pages of supposed evidence,thats been spoon fed and force fed to the sheeple of the world for far too long,that i have for almost 100 pages,continuously exposed as being highly possible and very suspicious lies, hoaxes, fakes and deceptions...
Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22
We saw the rockets go up and we saw the capsules floating in the ocean and everything else that we were shown in-between were power tripping pcych-ops,rotoscopic effects and green/blue screen pipe-dreams upon our televisions
edit on 17-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
Actually, the space program is not a hoax at all. It is just that our scientists have finally admitted something to themselves. Our earth is our fishbowl, yes a fishbowl. We can't survive outside this fishbowl, just like a fish can't survive outside its water. So far we have been unable to find a suitable planet like our own, so what's the point of trying to go to space when there is nowhere to go to? Also, our scientists can't figure out how to travel vast distances in a short amount of time, so again what's the point? It looks more and more like we are stuck here on this planet for quite some time.