Our Entire Space Program Is A Hoax And A Massive Deception

reply to post by denver22
Have you ever tried watching the moon mission footage with the same "looking for defects" additude that you had while watching kubricks 2001? that movie was extremely ground breaking and its a milestone in the evolution of sci fi cinema and it was made without cgi and computer technology and almost every movie made recently has depended on them completely...

reply to post by denver22
Lets not forget about the apollo-1 launch rehearsal fire that killed 3 astronauts in 1967 > en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by holywar666
Makes you wonder what else they can do....................

edit on 16-4-2012 by holywar666 because: (no reason given)

Whatever technologies they allow us to know about now,i'll bet they were already secretly using around 20 years ago and whenever they aquire new and better secret high-tech,their older technology gets turned into money making schemes,big business megabuck products sold to the sheeple to bleed them white,sold to drill the sheeple deeper into debt and sold to drive the sheeple further under tptb's control by enslaving them to materialism,as the super wealthy industrialists and elite politicians laugh all the way to the bank and down into their bunkers...

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by holywar666

 

Can you tell me why a holographic illusion would cause sunburn or the Auroral "illusion"? Start with the easy stuff.

Actually in reality,the only place that sunburn really happened was inside your brain,not on your skin.Think about that for awhile,because thats the truth...

Originally posted by holywar666
I meant thousand not million, and edited my original post rather quickly. Nice try

How would you know what debris is between the Earth and Sun? Rings of Saturn? Who told you? NASA? Fact is, you DONT know. Your just posting what other people have already said.

Many of us do observe space, including the zodiacal light and the rings of Saturn. We also know that there's far less debris between the earth and the moon than in low earth orbit; LEO has a huge amount of man-made debris, but this is not the case beyond low earth orbit along Apollo's trans-lunar trajectory. The micrometeorite threat is the same in lunar orbit as it is in earth orbit, but it clearly isn't serious enough to affect most satellites or any of our manned missions thus far. The overall threat of debris impact is lower farther out though; there's just no manned debris for Apollo to deal with.

These are people not lab rats. It would be impossible to travel a quarter million miles to the moon and do the same back with ZERO malfunctions in "space",

They know and accept the risks. You stating that they wouldn't doesn't make it so, it just shows your close minded stubbornness to accept the truth. Yes, they encountered malfunctions, they generally overcame them and were generally able to complete their missions in spite of the malfunctions. Shuttle missions also dealt with many malfunctions, even the occasional mistake, Challenger and Columbia just happened to be the only ones that resulted in fatalities, but others that were overcome could have potentially resulted in fatalities but were dealt with, just as they had been dealt with during Apollo.

To give an example, one of the Shuttle's three main engines failed late in the launch of STS-51F. It resulted in the only launch abort of the shuttle program, an abort-to-orbit called ATO. The engine failed because faulty sensor readings caused the engine to shut down. One of the two sensors started giving bad readings on a second engine during the abort to orbit, and the other sensor was starting to wander. If it also failed, it would cause a second engine to shut down, but they were pretty much committed at that point to reach orbit. If the second engine failed, it could have resulted in the loss of the vehicle and possibly the crew as well. They were already traveling too fast to reach their nominal trans-atlantic abort sites, leaving very few options left, and since this was before the Challenger accident, they didn't have any bail-out system. A quick decision by one of the flight controllers who believed it was the sensors that were the problems, not the engines themselves, had the astronauts inhibit the sensor readings such that the shuttle would not shut down any more engines, even if a sensor indicated that it needed to be shut down.

I would be willing to bet good money that you never knew that this happened until I told you just now though, just like you probably don't know how some of the Apollo missions had to be salvaged by corrective actions taken by the astronauts (SCE to Aux anyone? VERB 21 NOUN 1 ENTER 1010 ENTER 107 ENTER VERB 25 NOUN 7 ENTER 101 ENTER 200 ENTER 1 ENTER VERB 25 NOUN 7 ENTER 105 ENTER 400 ENTER 0 ENTER VERB 21 NOUN 1 ENTER 1010 ENTER 77 ENTER anyone?). Spaceflight is risky, malfunctions DID happen, and corrective actions were taken. Most of the time those actions are able to save the mission and you never even hear about it unless you're actually paying attention.

Explain this Apollo 17 Lunar lift off footage:

It's already been explained many, many times by people. It's as ignorant a claim of a hoax as the "no stars" bullcrap.

So they planted a video camera on the moon that zooms out seconds before ignition and pans up and watches the spacecraft disappear?

A controller on the ground remotely controlled the camera. He knew what the countdown to lunar liftoff was, he anticipated it and issued the appropriate commands so that they would be received at just the right time; he practiced the maneuver so that the pan would start at just the right time, and in fact it wasn't until Apollo 17 that he got it right.

Why is this the last team to ever land on the moon? Its been 40 years!

The politicians cancelled it and cut the funding. It's been over 30 years since a Concorde was built, almost a decade now since a supersonic jet liner has flown, and it will likely be decades more before a supersonic jet liner flies again.

I bet the real reason is because humans aren't as gullible today as back then.

Right, humans wouldn't be so "gullible" today as to believe people can fly faster than sound.

Us conspiracy theorists would crack the footage instantly.

LOL! Right, just like the "geniuses" on youtube who "crack" footage of ISS. I get the feeling you will never wake up and smell the coffee.

Originally posted by holywar666
reply to post by Illustronic

 

The lottery is pre-determined. You think they would let just any random human being become $600 million richer just by choosing random numbers? Or is it a scheme to get every American thinking they COULD get rich quick?

Bring it on Illustronic, bring it on.....

The lottery is the poor persons tax and theres a reason why theres a ten minute pause between the deadline to play a daily number and when they draw it and its because the lotterys super computer is scanning every single number bet and it will determine which combination was played the least,or which combination wasnt played at all and thats the number that will be drawn,every time...

Originally posted by blocula
My opinion is malleable,its not etched in steel...

It goes from being "the space shuttle isn't a hoax" when cornered to being "the space shuttle was a hoax" when you think the coast is clear and an opportunity presents itself to be offensive. You've gone back and forth on this multiple times in this thread, "changing your opinion" as the situation dictates, not because you actually believe it, but because you're trying to offend people. To review, you originally claimed it was a hoax...

If that really was a hoax and a lie and i think it was,to say we beat the russians at something major and significant during the cold war,for funneling mega-bucks towards other directions and into other hands and also for more nefarious reasons...

And so why would'nt our entire space program itself also be a hoax and a deception?

...

We see the space shuttles going up and then we see the space shuttles landing...

We see the satellite carrying rockets going up and then we see nothing coming back down...

Thats all we really see,thats all we really know,because thats all we are shown...

And everything else they are showing us,are nothing more than visual displays of their power tripping psych-ops,their green/blue screen movies and their faked photographs...

What percentage of the human race has claimed to have actually gone up into outer space? Not even 500 people and thats about 1 in 10 million...

Then you claimed it wasn't (and you didn't admit to changing your opinion either, you pretended it was your opinion all along)...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by ngchunter

 

I wont ignore this post and i never said that there are not man made objects in "low earth orbit" which isnt really in outer space in the way that i mean "our space program",like walking on the moon,flying around saturn and landing probes on venus ect,ect

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by ngchunter

 

The satellites,the space station and the astronauts are all still in low earth orbit and are not "really" within outer space,they are in the upper reaches of the earths outermost atmospheres...

Then you changed your mind later the same day on a later page and claimed it was a hoax when you thought the coast was clear and you could be offensive without being cornered...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by choos

Were there really any astronauts onboard the space shuttles?

Francis R. Scobee – Mission Commander
Michael J. Smith – Pilot
Judith A. Resnik – Mission Specialist 1
Ellison S. Onizuka – Mission Specialist 2
Ronald E. McNair – Mission Specialist 3
Gregory B. Jarvis – Payload Specialist 1
Christa McAuliffe – Payload Specialist 2

Commander: Rick D. Husband
Pilot: William C. McCool
Payload Commander: Michael P. Anderson
Payload Specialist: Ilan Ramon
Mission Specialist: Kalpana Chawla
Mission Specialist: David M. Brown
Mission Specialist: Laurel Clark

these 14 people must be made up.

Or sworn to secrecy and paid lots of hush money,taken from our legally extorted tax dollars...

Now you're back to claiming it's not a hoax. The only logical (and the most generous) conclusion to make is that you are a troll. There is no point in even trying to debate you, but it is important to expose this information for people reading the thread, particularly for new readers who may not have read through the entire thread and may not have seen how you change claims back and forth in order to troll. The good news is that you've made it very easy for anyone to expose you, all they need to know can be found in this thread. My advice, next time you decide to troll by making ridiculous claims, at least stick to the claims you're making. You make it way too obvious when you change claims constantly.

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by holywar666

 

Can you tell me why a holographic illusion would cause sunburn or the Auroral "illusion"? Start with the easy stuff.

Actually in reality,the only place that sunburn really happened was inside your brain,not on your skin.Think about that for awhile,because thats the truth...

In all seriousness, as long as you remain under the delusion that reality is an illusion there is nothing anyone can do to help you. Consider WHY you believe that to be true. Mostly you read it in a book just like all the information you've rejected or accepted. Have you ever really thought it through? Try taking a theory to its logical conclusion.

Here's something easy to try. On a warm sunny day stand in the shade, close your eyes and move backwards into the full sunlight. You'll feel the heat from the Sun before you know you're in it. Perception occurs in your mind in reaction to stimuli from outside of your mind.

If my sunburn is only in my brain why do others see it? Does this mean anything to you?

Finally, think about the difference between a target for ridicule and a magnet for ridicule. That's a sincere suggestion.

reply to post by DenyObfuscation
I dont need anyone to help me,because i know that everything we see,hear,taste,touch and smell is happening inside our brains and nowhere else,because all is illusion...

When we walk across a room...did we really?...or do we only think we did?

When we look up and see a blue sky...is the sky really colored blue?...or do we only think it is?

When we look into a mirror...are we seeing what we really look like?...or are we only seeing what we think we look like?

When we look at the sun...does it really look like its 93 million miles away?...or are we only misled to believe it is?

When we watch 400 foot tall rockets blasting off into the sky...are there really astronauts inside of them?...or do tptb only want us to think they are?

When we see astronauts walking around on the moon...were they really up there?...or do tptb only want us to think they were?

Try staring at youself in a mirror for 30 minutes,without looking away for even a second and you will start to see a strange transformation,you will see what you really look like,the face of a person who appears very differently from what you like to think you look like...

It's threads like this that cause posters to get upset when their threads get moved into Skunk Works.

It's like being arrested for jaywalking and being thrown into a holding cell with Hitler and Ted Bundy.

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22

 

Have you ever tried watching the moon mission footage with the same "looking for defects" additude that you had while watching kubricks 2001? that movie was extremely ground breaking and its a milestone in the evolution of sci fi cinema and it was made without cgi and computer technology and almost every movie made recently has depended on them completely...

speaking of moon footage.. blocula your favourite video:

www.youtube.com...

pendulum.. watch the whole thing, near the end he speeds it up just like you suggested last time, watch how unnaturally fast he moves.

theres more unnaturally fast movement too, dave scott tumbling over on the moon:

www.youtube.com...

ps its near the end from about 56 seconds onwards, this is in real time. Now imagine that sped up to twice the speed and think how fast his legs are moving, and how high the dirt he kick up was and how slow he falls but is able to roll over, indicating no wires.

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by DenyObfuscation

 

I dont need anyone to help me,because i know that everything we see,hear,taste,touch and smell is happening inside our brains and nowhere else,because all is illusion...

When we walk across a room...did we really?...or do we only think we did?

When we look up and see a blue sky...is the sky really colored blue?...or do we only think it is?

When we look into a mirror...are we seeing what we really look like?...or are we only seeing what we think we look like?

When we look at the sun...does it really look like its 93 million miles away?...or are we only misled to believe it is?

When we watch 400 foot tall rockets blasting off into the sky...are there really astronauts inside of them?...or do tptb only want us to think they are?

When we see astronauts walking around on the moon...were they really up there?...or do tptb only want us to think they were?

Try staring at youself in a mirror for 30 minutes,without looking away for even a second and you will start to see a strange transformation,you will see what you really look like,the face of a person who appears very differently from what you like to think you look like...

edit on 16-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

actually you are wrong, when we touch something it is felt where we touch it, say i touch something with my finger, my finger feels it and my brain interprets it and sends back an appropriate reaction.

when we see something, light enters our eyes flipped turned upside down (seriously no bel-air here) and our brain interprets that information with known information. such as when we see something we dont understand we fill in the blanks and think monster.

its not our brain making it up, if our brain were making it up we call it a dream.

so when you see rockets go up, you dont understand it, fear it. when you see the moon and star, your brain interprets it as too vast to comprehend, fear it, and so you make up your own world which makes itmore understandable to you.

Originally posted by holywar666

I bet the real reason is because humans aren't as gullible today as back then. Us conspiracy theorists would crack the footage instantly. Thats why they moved onto "rovers" and such, and put the conspiracy efforts into "terrorism"

That's actually a valid point. Mars rovers have been reliable and cost effective. Do you think that NASA would think to put a rover inside one of those "moon pits"? Hell no. They are busy crashing probes and calling it science.

The GRAIL probes should be finished with their 90 day data collection phase soon. Then it's 40 days of decommissioning (yeah, right), *smash* *bang* *poof* there goes another $500 million dollars.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Do you think that NASA would think to put a rover inside one of those "moon pits"? Hell no.

Hell no is right. Would you mind telling us all how it would get out, or dig deep into the lunar surface? Please fill us all in on your genius plan that NASA scientists and engineers were unable to think of.

They are busy crashing probes and calling it science.

It very much is science. Some things are just too much for simple minds to understand, I guess!

The twin impacts of LCROSS and a companion rocket stage in the moon's Cabeus crater on Oct. 9, 2009, lifted a plume of material that might not have seen direct sunlight for billions of years. As the plume traveled nearly 10 miles above the rim of Cabeus, instruments aboard LCROSS and LRO made observations of the crater and debris and vapor clouds. After the impacts, grains of mostly pure water ice were lofted into the sunlight in the vacuum of space.

"Seeing mostly pure water ice grains in the plume means water ice was somehow delivered to the moon in the past, or chemical processes have been causing ice to accumulate in large quantities," said Anthony Colaprete, LCROSS project scientist and principal investigator at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. "Also, the diversity and abundance of certain materials called volatiles in the plume, suggest a variety of sources, like comets and asteroids, and an active water cycle within the lunar shadows."

Volatiles are compounds that freeze and are trapped in the cold lunar craters and vaporize when warmed by the sun. The suite of LCROSS and LRO instruments determined as much as 20 percent of the material kicked up by the LCROSS impact was volatiles, including methane, ammonia, hydrogen gas, carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. The instruments also discovered relatively large amounts of light metals such as sodium, mercury and possibly even silver.
www.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
The GRAIL probes should be finished with their 90 day data collection phase soon. Then it's 40 days of decommissioning (yeah, right), *smash* *bang* *poof* there goes another $500 million dollars.

Actually it's five days of decommissioning and then 40 days for the orbits to naturally decay. May I ask where you expect them to go after the mission is over? It's unlikely that they have enough fuel to leave Lunar orbit, so the only place to go is down.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by holywar666

 

Can you tell me why a holographic illusion would cause sunburn or the Auroral "illusion"? Start with the easy stuff.

Actually in reality,the only place that sunburn really happened was inside your brain,not on your skin.Think about that for awhile,because thats the truth...

If my sunburn is only in my brain why do others see it? Does this mean anything to you?

Someone else thinks they see your sun burned skin,but did they really? or did they only think they see it? Or perhaps you only "think" they saw it,but did they really? We are all fractals of eachother and we are all subliminally connected within some strange unknown vibrational frequency...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by holywar666

 

Can you tell me why a holographic illusion would cause sunburn or the Auroral "illusion"? Start with the easy stuff.

Actually in reality,the only place that sunburn really happened was inside your brain,not on your skin.Think about that for awhile,because thats the truth...

If my sunburn is only in my brain why do others see it? Does this mean anything to you?

Someone else thinks they see your sun burned skin,but did they really? or did they only think they see it? Or perhaps you only "think" they saw it,but did they really? We are all fractals of eachother and we are all subliminally connected within some strange unknown vibrational frequency...

edit on 16-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

i want you to test this theory of yours. go out with a baseball bat and hit a police officer across his head as hard as you can.

from your theory, nothing will happen because it all happened in your head, and the police officer wont even notice.

p.s. get a "friend" to video tape it and post it here please.

p.p.s. make sure you do it behind his back so he cannot see it coming to make sure its a surprise to him, that way you can be sure its not an act.

reply to post by choos


thats a great Idea........

Also to add, if our brains DO make it up......then he should do it and imagine that the police officer doesnt react, and that there are no repercussions..........


If his "theory" is correct.......there will be no problem........

Me thinks the OP lacks the courage of his own "convictions"..........

Mostly because me thinks, he knows they are bunkum and this is all to
A.Feed ego
B. Outlet for psychological problems
C. Deliberately agitate the ATS community (for A and D)
D. Reduce boredom

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
If nasa ever tells us that they are sending astronauts to mars and then we are shown footage of them walking around on the martian surface.Tptb are going to have to make a really convincing special effects movie this time around,because most everyone will be looking very closely for evidence of a hoax...

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by choos

 

Mostly because me thinks, he knows they are bunkum and this is all to
A.Feed ego
B. Outlet for psychological problems
C. Deliberately agitate the ATS community (for A and D)
D. Reduce boredom

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