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Our Entire Space Program Is A Hoax And A Massive Deception

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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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Space Debris! That is my point! What are the chances of their craft exploding or hitting something mid-flight? How do they know these risks? Would this not be scary to think about?


Scary or not, they were already thinking about it in the 1940's. This should answer all your questions in a non-technical fashion"


In the forties and early fifties scientists varied widely in their guesses as to the probability of meteoroid impact. Fletcher G. Watson, a Harvard University astronomer, predicted in 1946 that at least one of every 25 space ships going to the Moon would be destroyed by collision with a meteoroid. Two years later George Grimminger, a mathematician with the Rand Corporation, estimated that a spacecraft with an exposed area of 1,000 square feet would be hit by a particle with a diameter of ½ millimeter only about once every 15 years. As late as 1951, however, Fred L. Whipple of Harvard, one of the principal American authorities on meteoroids, was rather pessimistic about the chances of avoiding meteoroid penetration and suggested thick shielding on the spacecraft to guard against structural damage.51

The early instrumented satellites sent up by the Soviet Union and the United States did much to dispel the fears of the space flight enthusiasts about meteoroids. [49] The American satellite Explorer I, launched in January 1958, recorded only seven hits by micrometeoroids - particles considerably less than a millimeter in diameter - during the first month of its orbital life. Apparently none of these pieces of matter penetrated the satellite's outer skin. Data from the much larger Russian Sputnik III, sent into orbit in May 1958, indicated that an orbiting spacecraft with a surface of 1,000 square meters (10,760 square feet) would be hit by a meteoroid weighing at least one gram only once every 14,000 hours. And Explorer VI, orbited by the United States in the late summer of 1959, encountered meteoroid dust particles only 28 times during the first two days it was in orbit.52 These data prompted a human-factors specialist for one of the major aerospace firms to conclude that for low orbital missions in a manned spacecraft "the danger from meteorite [sic] penetration is minor to negligible in comparison to the other hazards of such flights."53


history.nasa.gov...

Short answer: they began with statistical studies of meteors observed from Earth, then obtained hard data from actual satellites. Note that the data was collected by both American and Soviet spacecraft.




posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by holywar666
 


FAR, FAR, FAR less chance than the ISS, or the Space Shuttles (when they flew)....because there is FAR, FAR, FAR more "space debris" here near the Earth, in our vicinity, then out there.....between the Earth and the Moon......


When the space stations and shuttles were and will be in low earth orbit,not outer space,the people on board and especially those on the ground already know where all the other man made objects are and they are aware of the locations and trajectories of those objects and they know where most of the natural space debris are as well.They are constantly tracking where those objects orbit up there in the relative vicinities of the space stations and shuttles...

But when the astronauts supposedly left low earth orbit and entered into outer space on their way to the moon, no one knew where the vast majority of space debris where or might have been,especially with 1969 technology. We still dont know the locations and orbits of all the wandering outer space debris even now with todays vastly superior technology and so the lunar surface bound astronauts would have been like deer caught in onrushing headlights,like ducks trapped in shooting galleries...
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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The reason is because all the debris left in orbit are from our own activities up there (crap from broken satellites, stuff dropped on space walks, crap from jettisoned boosters, etc...)
There is none of that outside orbit, so there was very little to worry about.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by holywar666
reply to post by defcon5
 


Besides seeing the rocket go up and come down, what proof do you have this "inside the space ship" footage is live?

Guess what, people like me track the space station in our telescopes, we know for a fact it's there, we watched it being built, and we've even seen the astronauts performing EVAs on the station. Yes, they're up there, and yes, single shots are orders of magnitude too long to have been filmed on earth in a vomit comet, this conspiracy nonsense is just that, nonsense.
If the space shuttles and space stations were or are up there and i think they most likely really are,they are up there in low earth orbit.They are within a part of the earths outer atmosphere,they are not in outerspace...

I should have called this threads headline "Our Entire Outer Space Program Is A Hoax And A Massive Deception" which would clarify better what i mean.The moon missions,deep space probes,venus and mars probes,mars rovers,ect,ect all supposedly penetrated through and traveled far beyond the earths exosphere and those and other human built outer space machines and outer space missions are what i think is the hoax and the deception...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by holywar666
reply to post by defcon5
 


Besides seeing the rocket go up and come down, what proof do you have this "inside the space ship" footage is live?

Guess what, people like me track the space station in our telescopes, we know for a fact it's there, we watched it being built, and we've even seen the astronauts performing EVAs on the station. Yes, they're up there, and yes, single shots are orders of magnitude too long to have been filmed on earth in a vomit comet, this conspiracy nonsense is just that, nonsense.
If the space shuttles and space stations were or are up there and i think they most likely really are,they are up there in low earth orbit.They are within a part of the earths outer atmosphere,they are not in outerspace...

I should have called this threads headline "Our Entire Outer Space Program Is A Hoax And A Massive Deception" which would clarify better what i mean.The moon missions,deep space probes,venus and mars probes,mars rovers,ect,ect all supposedly penetrated through and traveled far beyond the earths exosphere and those and other human built outer space machines and outer space missions are what i think is the hoax and the deception...


taken you 59 pages to realise you could be wrong about this...

but your original post not just the title says that satelites are BS as well, meaning GPS is BS. so by just changing the title of your thread contradicts what your OP is saying?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by holywar666
reply to post by denver22
 


LOL! You post a video of old Buzz Lightyear punching a man in the face. This totally proves everything!

If they really did go to the moon, why is he so angry? Why waste his time on a crazy lunatic? Seems immature for a rich astronaut to act this way, does it not?

According to the encyclopedia of human psychology,which i've read about five times and refer to frequently,all anger is self directed and so aldrins anger was self directed,he was mad at himself and so in other words,the man he punched was right...
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PEOPLE we have got the op and THE LIKES

proclaiming being angry proves that you are a 100% liar PMSL..

"YOU ARE KILLING ME WITH LAUGHTER" ...................................................
STOP IT MY STOMACH HURTS PLZ........................................................
HAHAHAHAHAH. THANK YOU ATS, YOU HAVE MADE MY YEAR! ...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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Apparently, Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour.

before i came on this thread i was 16stone

now im 15 stone something...... Its not all bad though,

just left a nasty dent in the wall..



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by holywar666
reply to post by defcon5
 


Besides seeing the rocket go up and come down, what proof do you have this "inside the space ship" footage is live?

Guess what, people like me track the space station in our telescopes, we know for a fact it's there, we watched it being built, and we've even seen the astronauts performing EVAs on the station. Yes, they're up there, and yes, single shots are orders of magnitude too long to have been filmed on earth in a vomit comet, this conspiracy nonsense is just that, nonsense.
If the space shuttles and space stations were or are up there and i think they most likely really are,they are up there in low earth orbit.They are within a part of the earths outer atmosphere,they are not in outerspace...

Space is defined as starting at 100km altitude, the Karman line. You keep going back and forth on whether or not you think the shuttle and station are also hoaxes, I will remind you that you previously claimed they were.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
You keep flip flopping back and forth when cornered, so either you're just here to troll or you really are delusional. Either way there's no point in arguing with you, the only thing left to do is occasionally remind readers that you've been exposed.

And by the way, there's nothing about the thermosphere that would make missions in them possible but missions "beyond the atmosphere" impossible. The thermosphere is extremely tenuous, it does not provide any support in fact all it provides is orbital drag which actually makes the missions more difficult, not less.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by choos

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by holywar666
reply to post by defcon5
 


Besides seeing the rocket go up and come down, what proof do you have this "inside the space ship" footage is live?

Guess what, people like me track the space station in our telescopes, we know for a fact it's there, we watched it being built, and we've even seen the astronauts performing EVAs on the station. Yes, they're up there, and yes, single shots are orders of magnitude too long to have been filmed on earth in a vomit comet, this conspiracy nonsense is just that, nonsense.
If the space shuttles and space stations were or are up there and i think they most likely really are,they are up there in low earth orbit.They are within a part of the earths outer atmosphere,they are not in outerspace...

I should have called this threads headline "Our Entire Outer Space Program Is A Hoax And A Massive Deception" which would clarify better what i mean.The moon missions,deep space probes,venus and mars probes,mars rovers,ect,ect all supposedly penetrated through and traveled far beyond the earths exosphere and those and other human built outer space machines and outer space missions are what i think is the hoax and the deception...


taken you 59 pages to realise you could be wrong about this...

but your original post not just the title says that satelites are BS as well, meaning GPS is BS. so by just changing the title of your thread contradicts what your OP is saying?

Yes, he keeps contradicting himself. He'll make a claim that the shuttle is fake one minute, then claim it's real the next minute. In his OP he claims all the astronauts claimed missions count as going to outer space, then he claims they don't. He just keeps flip flopping, and he usually seems to flip back to "the shuttle's a hoax too" when it provides an opportunity to be offensive, such as by claiming the astronauts killed on the shuttle were paid off to keep silent and fake their deaths. I'm leaning towards troll, but Jared Loughner style insanity can't be strictly ruled out yet either.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by holywar666
Apollo 13 had to cancel the mission and turn back


So you think they just stopped and turned back..




pmsl anyone would think they had a steering wheel slammed on the brakes and
turnt around ... houston we have a problem

say that again ..

houston.... . cannot carry on with this post my sides are killing me.

as a youngster i was anti american, then grew up and realized that they have done something no one else has

WENT TO THE MOON AND BACK..RESPECT..

I AM PROUD OF MY COLONIAL COUSINS FOR THIS ALONE.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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A much deserved award...

legends we will never forget.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Outer space and low earth orbit are not the same thing and they are not the same place.They occupy seperate locations.My opening post to this thread is meant as an introduction,not a be all end all dissertation of everything all at once...


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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Outer space and low earth orbit are not the same thing and they are not the same place.They occupy seperate locations.My opening post to this thread is meant as an introduction,not a be all end all dissertation of everything all at once...


Why are you trying to wiggle? From your OP,




Because all we really see are the rockets going up and then we see the capsules splashing down...

We see the space shuttles going up and then we see the space shuttles landing...

We see the satellite carrying rockets going up and then we see nothing coming back down...


Go ahead and change your story again. It's not like you have any credibility to lose.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by ngchunter
 
Outer space and low earth orbit are not the same thing and they are not the same place.They occupy seperate locations.My opening post to this thread is meant as an introduction,not a be all end all dissertation of everything all at once...


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From your OP.


What percentage of the human race has claimed to have actually gone up into outer space? Not even 500 people and thats about 1 in 10 million...

Space starts at 100km altitude, the Karman line. That is the accepted definition so yes they do occupy the same place. Furthermore, your opening statement was consistent with this and claimed the shuttle was a hoax as well, something you reiterated later on as well. Let me spell it out for you, your statements are contradictory and indicate either severe delusion in need of serious psychological treatment, or you're trolling. I'm leaning towards the latter and your excuses just don't hold water.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by blocula
 


I don't know why I keep feeding this but......one never knows who may stumble into a thread, and read this kind of nonsense...so it cannot be left unchallenged:


I have heard that stanley kubrick was silenced and eliminated ....


Rubbish.

Theres been dozens of ufo investigators,microbiologists and others who got too close to the truth and then met untimely and mysterious deaths and they represent once living,now dead realities that are too horrible to face and so the majority of people ridicule the evidence,ignore the obvious and deny whats going on...

The Mysterious Deaths Of Top Microbiologists > whatreallyhappened.com...

Liquidation Of The UFO Investigators > rense.com...

The Mysterious Life And Death Of Philip Schneider > www.ufodigest.com...
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Your thread is about the "Entire Space Program"....and then, you bring up this??:


Theres been dozens of ufo investigators,microbiologists and others.....


....I'm choking on troll spray............


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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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BLOC AND CO, Regarding kubrics 2001 .... There are too many goofs. In several scenes we can see evidence that this is a manufactured film. We can see the edges of scenery panels, fly wires, reflections of equipment, rear projections, etc. These imperfections appear in every feature film despite efforts from filmmakers. Kubrick had several months and a large budget to orchestrate what would eventually be only two and a half hours of final product, and there were still errors. The Apollo program produced ten times that much footage with no editing seams and with no obvious mistakes.
The astronomy is wrong. The views from earth to the moon, and of the earth from the lunar surface don't match. For example, the earth is high in the lunar sky as seen from Clavius; it should be low on the horizon. The phase of the earth changes radically between scenes.
The photography is wrong. As in every space movie, we see a moving starfield in all the space scenes in 2001, along with sunlit objects. You cannot photograph both with the same camera settings. And even if you had a magical camera that could do it, the starfield shouldn't move. The cinematic reason for the moving starfield is to provide a background against which the motion of the foreground can be reckoned; filmmakers acknowledge it doesn't really happen that way, but it needs to happen in a movie.
The propulsion is wrong. As Dr. Floyd's lunar transport lands, the dust billows as it would in an atmosphere, because it was filmed in an atmosphere. The dust would displace in a vacuum, but it would tend to form a flat sheet and would disperse quickly. When Dave Bowman blows the emergency hatch on the pod in order to re-enter the airlock, the pod stays right there. It should have been propelled away from the ship by the force of the escaping air.
The zero-gravity scenes are wrong. As Dr. Floyd ascends to orbit he sips through a straw, and the fluid level drops back down to the container when he lets go. Sure, it could be a vacuum effect, but it's not the way drinking happens currently in zero gravity. In several scenes you can see supposedly weightless people moving as if there were gravity -- "grip soles" notwithstanding:
The Pan-Am captain hunches over Dr. Floyd's seat as a man in normal gravity would have done in order to rest his body weight on the seat back. Such a "hunker" is intuitive in gravity, but uncomfortable and unnatural in weightlessness.
Dr. Floyd's tray rises up from his lap -- presumably because Dr. Floyd has forgotten to secure it. What made it spontaneously start floating upward? Why did it sway from side to side? And why did it stop floating upward for no visible reason a split-second before Dr. Floyd grabs it? Newton screams "fraud!" at this sort of cinematic license.
The low-gravity scenes are wrong. The space station floor curves upward correctly to indicate the inside of a torus that spins to provide artificial gravity. But as the characters move about the scene they remain vertical with respect to the frame. They should instead tilt perpendicular to the angle of the floor where they are standing. There are numerous scenes that supposedly take place on the lunar surface, but no evidence of lesser gravity can be seen. The characters move as they would have on earth.
The lunar landscape is wrong. Kubrick shows us sharp-pointed mountains even though high-definition close-range photographs from Lunar Orbiter 2 (1966) showed the rounded mountains familiar in Apollo photographs.

Again conspiracists claim to be able to identify obscure and minute anomalies in Apollo photos and video, but they can't seem to do it with their own evidence. Nevertheless the important point is the conspiracist argument that NASA could do it because Kubrick could do it. As we've seen, Kubrick can't do it. He can't establish and maintain a truly credible "hoax" for two hours. Nor are the special effects convincing enough to fool observant people into actually thinking they represent space or lunar environments.
But there's actual evidence -- historical accounts -- that Kubrick worked with NASA to fake the footage.

Many conspiracists, led by Clyde Lewis, point to an article circling around the Internet which purports to describe in detail the process Kubrick used to fake the moon landings. But the article is obviously intended as a joke, as a careful reading reveals.

OHH AND CAREFULL RESEARCH .......



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by blocula
 


Your thread is about the "Entire Space Program"....and then, you bring up this??:


Theres been dozens of ufo investigators,microbiologists and others.....


....I'm choking on troll spray............


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MICTROLLBIOLOGIES
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Illustronic
Point in case, 150 million miles away from the moon puts you nearly 3 times the distance Mars would come to the moon, right in the heart of the Main Asteroid belt, which BTW many many spacecraft have traversed without one single collision. In fact Cassini spacecraft flew through the rings of Saturn, without colliding with any of the billions of objects in the ring system.



I meant thousand not million, and edited my original post rather quickly. Nice try


How would you know what debris is between the Earth and Sun? Rings of Saturn? Who told you? NASA? Fact is, you DONT know. Your just posting what other people have already said.


Originally posted by defcon5
I'm not getting your point of bringing up the Challenger?



We supposedly saw 7 people die when the Challenger spacecraft lifted off and exploded before reaching space. With room for error that big, comming almost 20 years after the Apollo 11 mission, life and death still seems to be on thin ice.

These are people not lab rats. It would be impossible to travel a quarter million miles to the moon and do the same back with ZERO malfunctions in "space", on top of acting like children on the moon. Explain this Apollo 17 Lunar lift off footage:



So they planted a video camera on the moon that zooms out seconds before ignition and pans up and watches the spacecraft disappear? Why is this the last team to ever land on the moon? Its been 40 years!

I bet the real reason is because humans aren't as gullible today as back then. Us conspiracy theorists would crack the footage instantly. Thats why they moved onto "rovers" and such, and put the conspiracy efforts into "terrorism"



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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ANNAPOLIS, Md., Dec. 3 — By now, nearly five years after her husband died when the space shuttle Columbia broke apart over Texas just 16 minutes before its scheduled landing at Cape Canaveral, the astronaut’s widow has a meticulous list of the things to pack for remembering him in public.

Susana Raab for The New York Times

Lani McCool at the Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md., which paid tribute to her husband, Cmdr. William C. McCool.

The American flag that was draped over his coffin; the flight patch recovered from the shuttle debris in East Texas; the Tolstoy quotation he carried in his wallet, inscribed now over a laminated photograph of the seven-member crew; his T-38 flight helmet; portraits of him in his orange NASA suit; some of his many e-mail messages to her from his 16 days in space.

An hour before what she called the final large public memorial here on Sunday for her husband, Cmdr. William C. McCool, 41, the pilot of the shuttle that was lost on Feb. 1, 2003, Lani McCool was frantically making mental checklists: Who has the flag? The white scarf used to cover the flag? A plastic bag to protect the photographs and e-mail messages from the rain? The Columbia mission lapel pins?

This moment had been building for years; it was the last big tribute planned, and she and her three grown sons were tired. Mrs. McCool, who sometimes describes herself to friends as “the woman in a bubble,” is reclusive, and the spotlight makes her uneasy.

After the Annapolis service was over, she said, she would finally catalog this mobile collage of his life and her grief and put it into storage.

“My reason for having so much of Willie’s stuff around me still is that it’s like an art piece,” she said. “But when a date for this was set, I started archiving things — not exactly cleansing, but it was nice, kind of moving forward.”

And now, in quiet moments, she can finally turn to the question of what to do at Commander McCool’s unmarked grave, a patch of grass in a cemetery in her hometown, Anacortes, Wash.

Mrs. McCool, a photographer and artist, regularly visits the grave and adorns it with temporary tributes, including a peace sign made of rose petals and 46 red balloons for his 46th birthday last September.

When she got to Annapolis, where Commander McCool’s funeral was held in 2003, at the Naval Academy chapel, she said: “Coming here, it feels like the final burial. I’ll pat the dirt, and I can finally be at peace.”

Sunday’s service was held on the cross-country course at the Naval Academy, where Mr. McCool, a midshipman who graduated in 1983, was a runner and team captain. The academy unveiled a seven-foot-high granite marker, with a bronze bas relief of Mr. McCool running on one side and the words “Sixteen Minutes From Home,” engraved on the other, near a replica of his flight patch.

At the foot of the marker, which was financed with private donations, one of Commander McCool’s e-mail messages is engraved in a cobblestone: “I’ve been reflecting about there being a clue to peace from this vantage point,” it said. “The answer is very obvious from here.”

During the service on Sunday, which drew about 150 people, including NASA’s administrator, Michael D. Griffin, Mrs. McCool was able to muster the calm to speak. Her voice broke and she said, “I’m sorry,” as she was reading from her husband’s e-mail.

Over the years, at many of the dozen or so public memorial services and tributes to her husband, the events have felt like a mix between a wedding and a funeral, she said.

The Annapolis service had that feel — the excitement of touching the flight patch replica on the granite marker, which Mrs. McCool had the artist place at her “kissing height,” about five feet. But she also listened to a midshipman play “Amazing Grace” on bagpipes to close the service, and wore dark sunglasses, even in the rain, to hide her tears.

A constant for Mrs. McCool at these events is her close friend Rona Ramon, the widow of another astronaut on the Columbia, Col. Ilan Ramon, the first Israeli astronaut in space. Mrs. McCool goes to Israel for Colonel Ramon’s memorials, and Mrs. Ramon comes to the United States for Commander McCool’s.

Mrs. Ramon, who came to Annapolis with two of her four children, said: “In Hebrew we say there’s nothing by coincidence. These two events are so connected; it’s been a time to think about peace.”

When the Sunday service was over, Mrs. McCool’s son Cameron, 20, said of his mother, “I feel relief for her; I can always feel the stress in her voice.”

Before she goes back home this week, Mrs. McCool plans to go to back to the Willie McCool marker alone. She said she would take the shells from the 21-gun salute at his funeral, spread them out around the granite stone and take a photograph for her collection. R.I.P

BRAVE ASTRONOUGHTS YOUR MEMORY LIVES ON ...
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