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Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by Akragon
seems like that line of thinking continued all the way up into the Salem witch trials?
We've reformed the Catholic Church when we started nailing reformations on the doors...
Moses was the law giver... they are extremely decent laws.
There was nothing decent about mosaic/levitical law...
This is why Jesus outed those laws and gave his own... directly from God.
39 They [Jewish listeners who believed in Jesus] answered him, “Our father is Abraham.”
Jesus said to them, "“If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God. Abraham didn’t do this. 41 You do the works of your father.”"
They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father, God.”
42 Therefore Jesus said to them, "“If God were your father, you would love me, for I came out and have come from God. For I haven’t come of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why don’t you understand my speech? Because you can’t hear my word. 44 You are of your father, the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and doesn’t stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks on his own; for he is a liar, and its father. 45 But because I tell the truth, you don’t believe me. 46 Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 He who is of God hears the words of God. For this cause you don’t hear, because you are not of God.”"
John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
8. Christian worship that teaches contempt for Judaism dishonors God.
The New Testament contains passages that have frequently generated negative attitudes toward Jews and Judaism. The use of these texts in the context of worship increases the likelihood of hostility toward Jews. Christian anti-Jewish theology has also shaped worship in ways that denigrate Judaism and foster contempt for Jews. We urge church leaders to examine scripture readings, prayers, the structure of the lectionaries, preaching and hymns to remove distorted images of Judaism. A reformed Christian liturgical life would express a new relationship with Jews and thus honor God.
Of course, early Christians are going to write about Jesus, they believe in him and in the stories that were past down from even earlier Christians...
Josephus wrote about Jesus, this is true, but it isn't contemporary because he was writing about Jesus in 93 AD, 93 years after the After Death (of Jesus). So that is not trustworthy, just like a Christian writing about Jesus today wouldn't be trust worthy...
There are many historians that lived around the time of Jesus that could've written about him but none of them did. You would think something like walking on water, or feeding many people with 2 fish is something that would make the news and be written about...
I stand by what I said. Listening to the love of the lukewarm go on about "christians" and "fanatics"... disgusting.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by Akragon
I must admit that I was feeling guilty last night after re-reading your OP,
BEWARE of religious people and what they tell you the bible actually says...
Read it for yourself...
I spent hours and hours agonizing about whether I was one of the religious people you mentioned. Then I decided finally to just risk it, that if you had a problem with what I wrote you'ld let me know.
The reason I posted to this thread, rather than "Christian doctrines vs scripture" by sk0rpi0n is that I approved of your premise more. His premise seemed to be that the whole Bible can be harmonized to reach correct understanding. A theory that destroyed my mind over several years by attempting it.
No need to stress about that statement my friend... you are not the type i was warning against...
I was refering to those that "condem others to hell" for not following a certian dogmatic view...
More specifically... IF you look at the original post... page 1... You'll see one member Call me a "false teacher"... people like that member are the reason i made that statement... Im not teaching or preaching anything... Im simply giving people an honest suggestion, even a means to understand what the true God in the bible is about...
The one(s) mentioned in the OT are not the same as the one Jesus spoke about... I would like people to see that distinction... there are only hints of the true God in the OT... most of which have to do with prophecy of Jesus.
This thread was not meant to offend... but i expected the fanatics to come flying at me from all directions as i stated in the OP...
I can't change the fact that "christians" will take offence to what i say... its just unfortunate they can't see that im "pro Jesus"... but even he said "people will hate you for my name sake"
edit on 29-3-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Solomon son of Bathsheba, former wife of Uriah the Hittite. The Israelites did indeed take on the notions of the "divine right of kings" just like the other nations.