Canada decriminalizes prostitution

reply to post by CALGARIAN


As a Canadian citizen I am ashamed and appalled by this court's decision. But I'm sure it'll be overturned!

"...absolutely no business in the bedrooms of the nation." Does that include children too? Aren't child molesters, rapists and kidnappers all *human* too? Where does one draw the line if all our morals are one big grey area now?

reply to post by CALGARIAN


Another one-up that Canada gets over America. At least there's something to finally do there.

As a married man, I don't feel I have vested interest but I do feel it is one of those things that shouldn't be governed. There is so much promiscuity and unwanted pregnancies caused by men who feel the need to have sex without marriage (not judging at all) and this will actually cut down on much of that.

As long as they stay vigilant on human trafficking, I'm totally behind this decision.

Funny how most people think that female prostitutes "consent" to sex. Because being high on crack while agreeing to have sex for money to get their next fix so they stay numb to the pain of being forced into prostitution and drugs, is "consensual".

Originally posted by InnerTruths
Funny how most people think that female prostitutes "consent" to sex. Because being high on crack while agreeing to have sex for money to get their next fix so they stay numb to the pain of being forced into prostitution and drugs, is "consensual".

That's quite the generalization. It is the oldest profession around. Do you think there were crack addicts in ancient Mesopotamia? Just because addicts do that out of desperation, doesn't mean that all prostitutes are addicts.

Virtually every lumber mill worker I've met are addicted to meth but I know that being a lumber mill worker doesn't make you a meth addict. What about Wall Street? Are they being exploited just so they can afford their coke addictions?

I have no moral beef with prostitution, but I think it's a sad state of affairs that a woman has to sell her body in order to survive.

Another nasty symptom of capitalism.

3.4. Nevertheless, sexist oppression will never completely disappear in capitalist society. This is because women, due to their potential to get pregnant, will always be more vulnerable than men in a society which is based on the need to maximise profit...
...Thus, the oppression of women under capitalism has an economic and sexual basis, which are inter-related.
These are the root causes of women's oppression from which stem other forms of oppression like, for example, the ideological oppression of women....
....7.1 Prostitution, though not exclusively confined to women is a form of exploitation of women. Money is the main factor in women taking up this profession and is therefore a class issue. Prostitution is symptomatic of a hierarchical and sexist society. Prostitution will not end until capitalism does....

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I don't agree with the law telling people what they can't do with their bodies, but all this does is feed the exploitation of women. In a libertarian socialist society women would be free to be prostitutes if they wished, but without the financial need most wouldn't chose to do that. It's not freedom, it's the last thing most women would ever do, and most only do because of poverty.

Whoever said prostitution is a consensual agreement really don't understand the situation.

Here in Mexico many things are tolerated if they are not a nuisance. One instance where it is consensual so is tolerated, and you can decide for yourself if it is outright prostitution or not, is in cantinas where ladies will come to your table and keep you company and there's also a dance floor. Often times they will alternately function as or be titled as waitresses. There is a special higher price for their drinks so they can get a commission and tips while your own drinks are very reasonably priced with free botanas (munchies/snacks or even meals) and if you're both hitting it off well you are both consenting adults and she is free to leave the cantina with you and/or there are usually little back-room parlors you can go to for privacy, though I've seen plenty going on, or coming off, on the dance floor.

Yeah, I was new in town for a year or two and met several ladies I got together with somewhat regularly. I had regular dates with some and even spent a day or two at the beach (a three-hour drive to the coast) without added expense. Some were young and needed work or just was looking for the right guy or a better situation to come along while others were more seasoned veterans who were well suited to that kind of work, I imagine - I spent my time with those in the former categories. They had the option of just sitting at your table and talking, dancing, or... it's almost amazing what all comes off in there, in fact if you just went for a cheap beer or two and a couple free tacos you could be well entertained just passing the time being entertained by the other patrons - which was a frequent option if I didn't see anyone particularly interesting.

I spent most of my time with ladies that did not speak English and my Spanish was very weak at that time. I can tell you that alcohol induces fluency and my Spanish improved by leaps and bounds in those cantinas, much more rapidly than taking regular Spanish courses at some school - and often was cheaper than those formal language courses. Most of the girls I met were very attentive and were very good at making themselves understood. In the course of an afternoon getting sloshed together we were often having some very deep conversations.

Many times we would have a few beers and talk and dance. Other times WE were the entertainment for the other patrons, especially after a couple hours. It was fun, it was educational, and it was one of the ways I became assimilated into this culture. I don't usually tell this but that is how I met my wife - she had only been on the job two days when we met and immediately we became exclusive, then after a few more days she quit working to spend full time with me. We've been together for almost five years now and still having a great time together, though neither one of drinks regularly anymore like we did that first week.

In a permissive society things have a casual way of working out well for most people. I would much rather deal with the problems and responsibilities of having too much personal liberty than dealing with the kind of problems that arise when there's not enough.

reply to post by LoneCloudHopper

Does that include children too? Aren't child molesters, rapists and kidnappers all *human* too? Where does one draw the line if all our morals are one big grey area now?

Just because it is not your morals does not mean it is any more of a grey area than before. As for the line, I think it should generaly be drawn at informed consent. Something an adult prostitute is legally capable of.

Good for Canada.Hope more countries around the world takes notice of this and follow suit.

I don''t know what to make of this.... so now people can become prostitute legally(i know they wouldn't choose this as their first choice, but it does encourages them)

"When i turn 18 i'm gonna be a prostitute mommy!"

I have no interest in them, i personally think they are disgusting, the whole act of selling body to strangers....

That WHOOSHING sound you hear is American men filling out paperwork for their Passports.

Originally posted by InnerTruths
Funny how most people think that female prostitutes "consent" to sex. Because being high on crack while agreeing to have sex for money to get their next fix so they stay numb to the pain of being forced into prostitution and drugs, is "consensual".

A "liberal" society would rather have the Hollywood ideal (lie) of prostitutes than face the reality of the actual life of the hooker - drugs and shame and degradation. They'd rather believe that the woman has freely chosen the lifestyle because she 'enjoys' sex - it eases their guilt for using them and their wicked hearts use it to justify their own moral less behaviour.

This has nothing to do with protecting these women, but rather just another move to decriminalise a behaviour in an attempt to make it appear less morally reprehensible. Protecting these women would be to focus on abuse prevention, drug prevention and treating the conditions as to why most of these women fall into prostitution in the first place.

And it completely ignores the obvious - if all men, overnight, came to the conclusion that sex was not a "must have", then there would be no need of prostitutes - the young daughters, wives and mothers in our society that have been abandoned by them to a feral life of crack coc aine and meth. That is the reality of the vast majority of prostitutes, not the 'pretty woman'.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
On the plus side, prostitution can now be regularized like any other business. Perhaps higher safety standards in place, do away with pimps, etc.

Just a bigger pimp to run the tricks. Your government. Govt. run brothels complete with an on site physical before you enter your selected room. All for a slight fee of course. Let us know how it works for you up there. Nice to know that the next generation now has yet another career choice. Go for the gold Canada.

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reply to post by WhoKnows100

This has nothing to do with protecting these women

Maybe it does, maybe it doesnt. Still does not change the fact that punishing consentual prostitutes or their customers is wrong.

Protecting these women would be to focus on abuse prevention, drug prevention and treating the conditions as to why most of these women fall into prostitution in the first place.

I am all for it, and legalisation of prostitution is in itself a good step towards its regulation to ensure safety and prevention.

Originally posted by InnerTruths
Funny how most people think that female prostitutes "consent" to sex. Because being high on crack while agreeing to have sex for money to get their next fix so they stay numb to the pain of being forced into prostitution and drugs, is "consensual".

Or they could get a job on the books maybe? Or they could sell drugs perhaps?
Maybe they enjoy sex? Did you ever think of that?

Or to you, if sex isn't brought on by romantic dinner and sweet nothings in your ear, no one could possibly enjoy it right?? NEWSFLASH... women don't all have to be mushy wooshy foreplay demanding pillow talkers.

ETA: When a lawyer gets paid the big bucks to litigate, are they helping your consensually? Do you think they might rather be golfing that day? You see, when people work they dont always want to be there. However, usually people choose to find work that is the most pleasurable to them while making the most moola.

Originally posted by PaxVeritas
That WHOOSHING sound you hear is American men filling out paperwork for their Passports.

It will certainly give a boost to the border town casinos. Look out Windsor Ontario... OOOF! That's going to give them an unfair advantage in the competition with US Casinos Like the new one being built in Cleveland. I can see the ad campaigns now. "Drive two extra hours to Windsor and get some whores too"

Well, since the casinos aren't the draw they once were, maybe the brothels will get the American tourists back here.

Originally posted by minettejo
Well, since the casinos aren't the draw they once were, maybe the brothels will get the American tourists back here.

Then we have a problem dont we!?!? Watch how fast America legalizes prostitution if they start seeing tourist revenue in Canada jump as fast as we might suspect based on the fact that one can visit a prostitute legally.

Originally posted by Salamandy

Originally posted by minettejo
Well, since the casinos aren't the draw they once were, maybe the brothels will get the American tourists back here.

Then we have a problem dont we!?!? Watch how fast America legalizes prostitution if they start seeing tourist revenue in Canada jump as fast as we might suspect based on the fact that one can visit a prostitute legally.

Because that would be highly productive.... Modern Western Civilization... meet Ancient Roman Empire and its collapse. Bye Bye.... Back to square one again...

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Because that would be highly productive.... Modern Western Civilization... meet Ancient Roman Empire and its collapse. Bye Bye.... Back to square one again...

Ancient Roman Empire lasted for a thousand years, with prostitution present before and during all this time. Its collapse coincided with rise of Christianity, if anything.

Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by Salamandy

Originally posted by minettejo
Well, since the casinos aren't the draw they once were, maybe the brothels will get the American tourists back here.

Then we have a problem dont we!?!? Watch how fast America legalizes prostitution if they start seeing tourist revenue in Canada jump as fast as we might suspect based on the fact that one can visit a prostitute legally.

Because that would be highly productive....

Modern Western Civilization... meet Ancient Roman Empire and its collapse. Bye Bye.... Back to square one again...

And since when does the law have anything to do with productivity? Isnt the choice to be a free person enough of a justification to legalize hookers?

The chances that matters of sexual intercourse had anything to do with the collapse of the Roman Empire are nil.
Remember, we are talking about sex here. Its natural and a very fun past time for many.