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Trayvon Martin Shooter Told Cops Teenager Went For His Gun

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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by ~Vixen~

Originally posted by parkwoods21
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Oh really? Tell me more about how you were there that night and witnessed everything.


Quit being a troll. If you disagree with my guess, please state why.

No I wasn't there that night. I was at home 5 miles away from the crime scene. You?
edit on 3/27/2012 by ~Vixen~ because: (no reason given)


I was about the same distance away from it as you...not there. I'm tired of people trying to give all these scenarios of what they think happened. Also their opinion on being a thug or rent a cop. Obviously nothing is happening with this case because the police don't have all the facts yet. Maybe it is because GZ is lying about his story. Or maybe some witnesses are lying about what they saw. Or maybe the police are trying to find the cure for being burned on the stake that the media has done too GZ. Who knows but the more time it takes to solve this the more it means GZ did nothing wrong and the media was dying for a story to spark controversy. Shootings happen all the time between different races. Why is this one a big deal? Because the media made it a big deal before they had all the facts. Now all this bad details about who TM really was isn't helping his supporters.
edit on Tue Mar 27 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: fixed tag



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Are you that kid who gave me the threatening look at the bus station? This kid was all into his hoodie and hating on my white skin. I had not heard about the Martin shooting and could not figure out why this kid was mad at me. I got more looks after that from other angry black guys. I am not part of this my brother.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by ~Vixen~

Originally posted by coop039

We dont know if he saw the gun before the fight or not. Most likely during the skuffle it became visable. He wasnt walking around with a western holster with a colt on his side. He was a concealed carrier.


Thinking about how things happen on the street, if someone you don't know asks who you are and what you're doing, you usually ignore them or tell them to *** off and mind their own business.

My guess is that Zimmerman approached Martin in a hostile fashion, made threats, and possibly ordered him to leave without knowing that Martin was legitimately there. Martin told him to **** off and quit following him. Zimmerman was enraged by some punk dare usurp his "authority" as a self appointed neighborhood watch captain, and brandished his weapon to intimidate Martin to comply. Martin was then forced into a situation in which he had to choose to stand his own ground in self defense, or risk injury/death from this unknown, armed stalker/assailant.

Zimmerman had the right to ask Martin why he was there, but he lacked the authority to force compliance. If Martin had ignored him, the correct thing to do would have been to wait for the police to show up and sort it out under proper authority. Zimmerman made several errors that night which led to Martins death. He should be held accountable for it.


And your reasoning is why the large majority of blacks are killed by other blacks.
I hustled pool for a living when I was younger.
I would STALK potential fish in bars looking to get them to gamble with me.
I would HUSTLE them out of their money and they never liked the results.
And guess what????
I never got in a fight. Why you ask? Because I talked through it with absolutely no attitude leading to a potential confrontation.
I did this to whites, blacks, hispanics, etc...
Some carried guns and knives as alot of this transpired in seedy establishments.
In fact I never even had a close call.
This race baiting stuff going on here is set up for the weak minded that cannot fathom that how you talk to others in difficult situations where you are suspect is everything.
I cannot imagine how this could not have a different result if Trayvon simply talked to zimmerman, the guy looking to protect his neighbors in a GATED COMMUNITY.
It's not like this was a public park.
If this wannabe gangster was not aware of the different turfs in "the hood" and how you present yourself to others in neighborhoods you are unfamiliar with or new to you then he was naive beyond belief.
And that is what so many want us to do here. They want us to believe this young man was naive and innocent while in anothers turf.
If he went into the crypts or bloods or ms13 or, etc... turf and acted the same way he would either be beaten brutally or dead from another "turfs" rules.
Was he really that naive?
I read the tweets.
He wasn't naive.
He was street smart to a certain extent.
If he showed resepect to those that lived there and explained his motives and reasons for being there it simply goes on for the 2 of them.
But by all accounts this is not how he acted out.
This is the primary action that lead to all the secondary actions that lead to his death. I hustled people out of their money. I was the catalyst and primary action that lead me into harms way thousands of times.
I simply talked my way out using respect and common sense. I actually was befriended by most of those I hustled.
I do not think for a moment that Trayvon wanted to befriend anyone, do you? He owes the locals the turf they reside in.
He should have understood that he was the odd man in that community.
He owed them respect.
I have heard no reports from anyone that is what happened.
Instead we hear about skittles for a kid on a rainy night in a place he was never known of before.
imho, all he had to do to live was show humility and a common sense for the situation he found himself in.
I have heard nothing that leads us in this direction.
All I hear is that he was a kid, was naive, scared, and somehow threatened for his life. If the crypts murdered him for him wandering into their turf, this doesn't even make the local news.
I am overwhelmed at the responses from both sides that fell for the msm race baiting that this has become.
I mean, really?



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by MikeBoss
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You're missing the whole point of this incident, how would you like it if I followed you in my car, and then attempt to agitate you into attacking me, and then I shoot you when i am losing the fight, then I claim self-defense after i shot you?

edit on 26-3-2012 by MikeBoss because: (no reason given)


"attempt to agitate you into attacking me.."

So the person doing the attacking is the victim in this example of your wisdom?

Who is missing the whole point?



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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I have priot security officer training and I can tell you that Zimmermen is at fault.

Zimmermen should have used his level of threat training to be able to tell what type of aggression level Trayvon was at. Zimmermen should of had his mace out as the primary deterant against an attack.

If Zimmermen did not have mace at all then he was acting as if he was the law and was presenting a threat of carrying around a weapon where that weapon was the only defense he had if attacked.

Zimmermen sounds to me like a loose cannon who was playing the role of a cowboy sherrif where just because he carried a weapon made him the law.

As a professionally trained security officer I have been trained to detect a persons aggravation level and use the necessary force level to detain the person.

Obviously Trayvon was unarmed and if Zimmermen did not have the appropriate level of gear to defend against an unarmed person then Zimmermen is at fault and can be tried for murder because he purposely allowed Trayvon into his defenses without using the necessary level of protection against Trayvon and instead used lethal force when lethal force was not necessary to detain Trayvon.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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They are both at fault I bet. Why try and decide on such limited information?



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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lol..the cowardly internet racists still trying to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify the murder of an unarmed kid..pretty sad.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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I still believe Zimmerman was wrong for attempting to confront Martin and possibly escalating the situation. None of us were there so our speculation here is futile. There may not be a solid criminal case against Zimmerman, but he did go against the 'neighborhood watch' protocols by carrying a gun and confronting a 'suspicious' person. Also he had a history of 'crying wolf' to the local police. I do feel there is a strong civil case against Zimmerman and the rest of the neighborhood watch group that was aware of Zimmerman's 'aggressive' tactics and the fact he carried a gun.

Still if Zimmerman acted in self defense, then he broke one of the most basic rules when it comes to self defense with a pistol. Zimmerman was not properly trained on how to use a hand gun for self defense.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by steve95988
Trayvon was currently suspended from school for drug possession. He had a juvenile record. Zimmerman claims that Trayvon punched him in the face and then repeatedly bashed his head into the sidewalk and witnesses are backing that up. So why on earth is there all of this outrage that a violent drug user with a criminal record was shot while attempting to murder somebody? Really I just don't get it. I suspected that the liberal media was hiding something about this kid the first time I heard this story on the first day. Why on earth is every media outlet using pictures of him when he was 10 to 14? What is wrong with the pictures of him when he was 17? Did he look like a thug in all of his pictures?


Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car and confronted Tayvon.

Its that simple.





If it is that simple.
Then you can simply show me the simple facts that zimmerman confronted Trayvon and in what manner if he did.
If not your simplicity is your state of irrational thoughts circumventing the entire thought process that leads to discernment and critical thought, leaving only simple deductions from incomplete information...



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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First off it is Scot Free.

Second: there's a saying "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

Third : There are white people that get shot all the time walking through the "hood" rain or shine. Just because they are white not because they look suspicious.

I've had to fight my way out of 3 wannabe gangsters (one with a knife who was going to stab me) simply for walking home at 3 am. You know why? Cuz I'm a honkey who's apparently in "their hood".

I live in ontario where black people try to make a good city block into their "hood" because they want to be like 50 cent.

Give me a break buddy.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Zimmerman has zero credibility.

He has lied on police reports about assault in the past with a LOT less riding on the incident.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by aaron2388
lol..the cowardly internet racists still trying to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify the murder of an unarmed kid..pretty sad.

Time for a brain workout if you think you are getting the truth from internet stories. Armed, unarmed, guilty or not, nobody is a racist for not backing the media bull.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by BIGPoJo


Please watch the video in the link, it has some FACTS for a change. For people who don't know, Trayvon was 6' 200 lbs. He could have seriously injured or killed Zimmerman if he not have acted in self defense. To put it into perspective, I have seen a 5' 150 person break another adult's jaw in one hit. Imagine being pounded on the ground over and over again. What would you do if you had a gun at your disposal?

abcnews.go.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Wow, Trayvon Martin got shorter and heavier. How did this happen? Last I heard he was 6'3" and a whopping 140-150 pounds.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Dryson

Zimmermen should have used his level of threat training to be able to tell what type of aggression level Trayvon was at. Zimmermen should of had his mace out as the primary deterant against an attack.

If Zimmermen did not have mace at all then he was acting as if he was the law and was presenting a threat of carrying around a weapon where that weapon was the only defense he had if attacked.



Lol, mace for self defense?

You may be a trained security guard but I don't believe you have much experience. Personally I think mace is an ineffective 'weapon' against an aggressive person, I do have the professional experience to back that claim up.

Zimmerman got to close to Martin. If you ever watch a good LEO approach someone they always give themselves some space and will have their hand on their gun anytime a subject makes an unexpected move. According to the story, Zimmerman did not have positive control of his weapon and poor situational awareness. The only time his gun should have been visible was the second or two before he pulled the trigger, if Martin was aware Zimmerman had a gun before then Zimmerman messed up. Even with all that speculation there is one fact of the case that suggests Zimmerman was not well trained when it comes to self defense with a hand gun.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by ~Vixen~
Zimmerman made several errors that night which led to Martins death. He should be held accountable for it.


And this is why ALL law enforcement discourage "vigilantism" - - civilians taking the law into their own hands.

They are not trained. They do not have authority. They create situations that escalate the problem. Etc.

Vigilantism is an accident waiting to happen. Its only a matter of time.

Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car. He forced Tayvon into a defense position.

Because Zimmerman created a situation that caused actions resulting in a death - - - I believe that is Involuntary Manslaughter.

I certainly don't believe Zimmerman meant to harm anyone.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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I think whats interesting is the only reason this story is being talked about is because obama said if he had a son it would look like a black person.
Did obama know that being the first president to comment on a typical neighborhood murder would make the situation a national interest? YOu can bet your top dollar he did. And sadly this incident is allready being used for shamless promotions and turning the gears of money.
Did Obama know he would also start a race feud making racial references to a situation that happens a dozen times a day? Yes...but why? what are the motives? Where does he expect this to go? was he hoping for something like the Rodney King L.A riots? isnt this the real issue here? Not how much the people weight or who went for their gun? Im surprised people are getting caught up in the little details and not stepping back and looking at the big picture.
And obama would not have made said comments unless he allready knew the outcome of the trial. What president would join the losing side of a national media event? all he had to do was press rewind on the sattelight camera watching that sector.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by drakevonz
Signed -- A scared. 25 year old, black male. (I AM TRAYVON MARTIN).
edit on 27-3-2012 by drakevonz because: (no reason given)


Wow you post pretty good for a dead guy. That must be some powerful wi-fi. Anyway the post you made is really really pushing the line dont you think? Its not cool to advocate violence of a racial nature on ANYONE. You seem to have been just being idiotic to prove a point right?



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