OBAMA Caught Confiding in Russia: he's FLEXIBLE with their Missile Pgm as He WILL be RE-elected

reply to post by BiggerPicture


Of course he knows he is going to be re-elected. Look at the Republican party candidates. They have absolutely no intentions of taking over the white house next election whatsoever. They are not prepared to take responsibility or accountibility for America's current state of affairs. None of it is their fault at all, just ask them! Please nevermind the fact that the Republican party has been in charge for 5 out of the last 7 presidential terms of office.

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75

Originally posted by BiggerPicture

Originally posted by ProudBird

Latest figures actually show Russia has a whooping 10,000 total declared nukes

while America has "only" 8,500 total declared nukes

Good point....But still, the whole 'Nuclear Deterrent' kind of falls apart after a certain amount of nukes is reached....When one side has enough nukes to destroy the planet 3 times over, and the other side has enough nukes to destroy it 5 times over, How does it really matter who's got the most at that point!

So is America's 8,500 nukes and Russia's 10,000 nukes enuf to destroy the world?

Or are they still making more and so need s'more time?

reply to post by BiggerPicture

Heres a little tidbit about Nukes. The warheads have to be maintained after so long or they won't go off. It only matters how many you can actually launch that won't be shot down that will actually detonate. Much of the old Soviet Stock is innert. Split Infinity

reply to post by beezzer


Ok, I'll bite-a defensive shield against who? Iran? Yeah right, North Korea? As if. Israel? No need, they're an ally. Lets face it, it's Russia isn't it. I used to be in favor of a missile defense shield but lets be honest, how good is that shield going to be against 18,000 Russian nukes? This "shield" is nothing more than an enhancement of our first-strike capabilities.

reply to post by BiggerPicture


I'm not a big fan, but this OP is stupid. It does not indicate that he knows he will be elected, he is simply assuming for the purpose of this conversation, furthermore he can expect to be re-elected (that is my prediction) because he provides a far more coherent policy platform than Mit Romney, with his fake conservative rhetoric.

Furthermore, this does not indicate he is soft on Russia and your attempt to demonize Russia is even more silly. This isn't the Cold War anymore and Russia is not America's number 1 enemy. Relations may often be tense, but they are generally co-operative (or non confrontal, perhaps would be a better adjective). Furthermore, Russia is not an irrational state, thus Russia dosen't point their missiles willy nilly wherever they please. They point their missiles for strategic purposes and this does not at all indicate that they will ever fire one. Since the end of the Cold War and even during Gorbachevs and Brezenski's rule (which coincided with JFK and Nixons, as well as Regans and Bush Snr presidencies) there has been alot of co-operation between the US on missiles and disarmaments (perhaps far less so, infact more in the opposite direction with Ronal Reagans rule given that he expanded spending on missiles)

What else, by searching for a compromise with Russia on missile defence, that does not at all indicate that he is soft on Russia. It simply means he wants to find a mutually compatable resolution, or one that Russia will accept in order to avoid the escalation of tensions and perhaps promote cooperation between the two states. If you call that being soft, I;d rather be soft than act unilateraly, have the whole world hate me and risk escalating tensions with Russia and possible future conflict.

This is the election season, where candidates increase the rhetoric, especially towards countries such as China and Russia, but as well as North Korea and Iran, as the simpleton Americans tend to enjoy such displays of idiocy and chauvanism, likely due to the failure of obtaining satisfactory education and their lack of critical thinking ability.

reply to post by BiggerPicture


Lol. talk about a complete misinterpretation.

Or, perhaphs, more appropriately, fabrication. Bravo, OP!

Anyone who knows absolutely anything about American Politics knows that, come election year, the President is forced to sacrifice foreign policy for the sake of pleasing the traditionally isolationist American public.

FDR couldnt even coax Americans into joining the most devastating war in human history until the election of 1940 was alls aid and done.

Eisenhower was completely paralyzed at Suez in '56 partially due to the election.

Im sure there is a host of other examples.... The point is, Obama is by no means admitting that he will necessarily be elected. He's speaking in absolutes like every other candidate right now. "when I am re-elected.... blah blah blah". Classic Election-time dogma.

Seems like an entirely REASONABLE thing to say, on Obamas part. No surprise so find ATS warmongerers charging Obama with "confiding in Russia" when he makes a petfectly reasonable and plausible statement about peaceful coexistence.

Omg, Russia has WMD's, we better attack them right away...

reply to post by BiggerPicture


Maybe it's just me, but that man doesn't even look like Obama. His mannerisms look contrived and the shape of his head looks different. Do US Presidents actually travel to enemy countries?

I remember when Bush was in China doing an intervew, I think it was during the Olympics. In that interview he was incredibly articulate and intelligent about the subject matter. At that moment, I wondered if he had been pretending to be dumb his whole presidency or whether his body double decided to go off script.

This is the 'second' hot mic recording.???

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I never thought Obama was a genius but he isn't dumb enough to be caught twice in such a short time.

I think these 'hot mic' stories are staged releases.

Originally posted by beezzer
That he is even willing to negotiate with the misslile defense system is abhorent!

The missile defense shield is a DEFENSIVE WEAPON!!!!

It is used to protect from an attack!!!!

The idea behind MAD is that the us wont attack because they fear retaliation. Being able to carry out a nuclear strike, without fear of retaliation puts them in a position where they can carry out a nuclear strike without fear of retatliation, provided that the system works. Where a nuclear strike against Russia was not an option, because it meant retaliation, with the shield it is.

In theory for the Russians it means they have to carry out a nuclear strike before the shield has any capability and hope for the best.

Of course as of today it is highly unlikely that any of the 2 countries will make use of nuclear weapons.

Originally posted by Daedalus24
reply to post by beezzer

 

Ok, I'll bite-a defensive shield against who? Iran? Yeah right, North Korea? As if. Israel? No need, they're an ally. Lets face it, it's Russia isn't it. I used to be in favor of a missile defense shield but lets be honest, how good is that shield going to be against 18,000 Russian nukes? This "shield" is nothing more than an enhancement of our first-strike capabilities.

The system would be able to intercept launchs against targets in the middle east and Europe.

Originally posted by beezzer
That he is even willing to negotiate with the misslile defense system is abhorent!

The missile defense shield is a DEFENSIVE WEAPON!!!!

It is used to protect from an attack!!!!

If your Russia and don't feel like being subjugated to US rule then a missle defense system is a threat to mutual assured destruction provided by both sides having the ability to destroy the other absolutely without risk. Mutual Assured destruction is what has kept the peace between USSR/Russia and the USA. If the US builds a defense shield that can prevent Russian nukes from reaching targets then the US can then launch a premptive strike without much worry if Russia can return the damage to the US.

Thus a missle defense system becomes offensive by it allowing one side to safely launch nukes on the other without worry of reprisal.

If I were Russia there is no way in hell I would allow it. In fact I would put missles in Venezualla and other Sotuh American Nations in responce as well as begin build thousands more missles and delivery systems to ensure I could overwhelm any US defensive system.

Originally posted by macaronicaesar
I'm not an Obama fan, but I don't think this is an admission to voter fraud or that his election is a foregone conclusion, quite the contrary, he is playing politics, which is sad from a president who ran on a campaign of change.

What I think he is saying though, is that if he wins, he has more leniency to do what he likes as there is no election to lose, if he were forced to now, it could cost him the election, it's slimy, but it's not the president saying I will be elected rah rah rah, I expect he will be as it's part of the plan, but this little blurp here is nothing.

Yes "Slimy" is the word. It is the word that descriebs our system of Government exactly. Obama is only expressing the reallity of how our government works. 2nd term presidents are much more powerful than first term presidents.

Why has nobody tried to make the Russia-Obama connection before? Here comes a guy, born during the height of the Cold War, vague birth history, vague upbringing. Could Obama somehow be a Soviet transplant...a KGB attempt to tear down its greatest enemy from the inside? That would be the greatest Trojan Horse story since...well, the Trojan Horse.

reply to post by BiggerPicture


It's been blatantly obvious for a long time that the entire process is rigged. What's hilarious, is that now you have proof right from the horses mouth, and everyone is talking about Russia instead of the real issue here. Obama is so confident he'll be re-elected, he's forming international policy for his second term while he's still in his first.

Top this off with the fact mittens is a blithering idiot (as well as his supposed leading competitor in Santorum), and it's so obvious these clowns were set up to fail it's not even funny. The ONE guy that could have a shot at beating Obama and taking back the U.S if he was given any kind of credibility by the mainstream is being completely ignored and mocked (Paul). There have been videos that have come out of officials blatantly admitting to trying to defraud Paul of any victories in the primary as well.

Anyone who can't see what a stage show the whole process has become is asleep at the wheel.

I think its a little disheartening to see people backing up politicians when every politician that has ever taken money from a corporation for use in being elected is already corrupt. Only those who try to restrain themselves from using corporate money could ever been seen as a true leader of the country.

Remember Power corrupts, and Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely.
or rather
Money corrupts, and control over Money Corrupts Absolutely.

Originally posted by VforVendettea

I think these 'hot mic' stories are staged releases.

Ladies & Gentlemen,
There is a genius among us. Can you hear me clapping?

I agree with your assessment. These "hot mic" incidents are more than likely planned and staged, in my professional opinion.

reply to post by ILikeStars


Exactly.

If you haven't (yet) realized that you have been "played"....then, you've been "played".

(Not every time....but, stay aware, and stay sharp!).

Originally posted by ILikeStars
reply to post by BiggerPicture

 

Of course he knows he is going to be re-elected. Look at the Republican party candidates. They have absolutely no intentions of taking over the white house next election whatsoever. They are not prepared to take responsibility or accountibility for America's current state of affairs. None of it is their fault at all, just ask them! Please nevermind the fact that the Republican party has been in charge for 5 out of the last 7 presidential terms of office.

You mean you assume all the people who were fooled by him the first time are going to be fooled again, including Republicans who didn't want McCain, and other fools who thought he was going to heal race relations. You assume that just because he still has Goldman Sachs backing that he will get the popular vote as well. That may not be the case. Not everyone in the US has become an overt socialist. The Tea Party has risen up and Patriots everywhere are seeing through his socialist Manchurian scam.

Leave O'Bama alone! You people are just jealous...wishing you could play all that golf on the taxpayers dime! Of course the puppet masters are going to give him another four years to do anything he wants. You don't think that your vote counts now do you? Wake up and smell the bovine excrement wafting it's way from Washington to your very nostrils.

reply to post by ILikeStars


A star for you! I think that the voting system is a sham and a scam like everything else in the Corporate whoredom. I do agree with you, he KNOWS he has another four years.