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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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people who actually care about race are so funny
why cant people see that lifes too short to worry about things like racism and prejudice? but anyways great thread




posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by torqpoc
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"Culturalist" if you wish to use this term relates to culture, or more specifically: :
one that emphasizes the importance of culture in determining behaviour
a specialist in the study of culture; specif : a cultural anthropologist

Racism is not a farce and to even think it is is bereft of any kind of intelligence.

T



Yeah, and "Racist" is a term that emphasizes the importance of skin color in determining behavior.

e.g. If you are racist, you immediately associate skin color with culture (i.e socioeconomically adopted behavioral characteristics)

Or, more formally and straight from the dictionary:

Racism: 1. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others.

As in my OP, I did not say that the culture I described was distinctive of any particular race.

By contrast, those that would label myself and those who think like me as "racist" are the same people who associate that culture as distinctly Black - thereby showing their ignorance of the culture as it stands in reality, and in turn, assuming the position that such an attack on their perceived "color-distinctive culture" is inherently wrong - and as such, racist.

It is political correctness gone awry and amounts to subversive activity via proxy-of-the-pubic by the powers that be.

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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by antonia
Well, where I'm from we don't like rednecks who live in trailers with 5 kids on welfare who are missing their teeth. We don't like these people going to Wal-Mart in their PJ's. We don't like their disjointed English. We don't like their jacked up trucks with missing mufflers or their dirt track races at midnight keeping everyone awake. We don't like their loud ass twangy music about getting drunk on saturday. We don't like their stunning lack of knowledge about the world around them. We don't like their brokeass trailers.

I see what you did there and thought I'd do it too.


Yes but they are not out robbing and killing people, they are minding their own business. Reality is reality and facts are facts. Those "rednecks" listen to rock and/or country music, which talks about loving their woman and driving their truck...Not using their truck to drive-by someones house or killing cops and whitey or each other.

It bothers me to see the black folk in my *hood* (70% black) with their lexus's and bmw's and escalades, yet I hear them everyday partying at home, (they scream so loud its hard to tell if they are fighting or partying) they obviously do not work, and various landlords have told me they are all section 8. Where is the money coming from? Gee... I have black friends and I love normal black people, some of the nicest people I have met are black, I am talking about the thugs. We all know what a thug looks like, acts like, dresses like, etc.

This whole Trayvon case is unraveling and the libs can't stand the facts coming out. If there was video of the whole incident and lil tray had 10 friends with bazookas, they would still cry racism. The police did not charge Zimmerman because of the facts, the physical evidence, witness test. which all ties into exactly what Z said happened. So much talk about the MSM yet so many people are eating up the "official" story that the msm is showing.. wth?

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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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We are in agreement with respect to most of your stated positions; although your use of the term "naive" is a bit harsh.

I chose to use the term "enduring strength" specifically referencing what I see as a planet-wide positive influence...perhaps mostly reflected in days gone by; and it truly breaks my heart to even say that. But the basic concept of The American Way has inspired millions upon millions of immigrants to seek America's shores; to share in the ideals which the concept itself has instilled in their minds, their hearts; to build small and large business opportunities, all the while contributing various facets of their own past cultural environments and values to an ever-changing/evolving society. It's also (again, to me) contributed mightily to those who choose to remain in their home country and fight the good fight (Suu Kyi of Myanmar comes to mind here); to initiate change and reform in their home station, so to speak. With this far-reaching influence, I believe my use of the term "enduring strength" is appropriate; although this is a kind of strength which is not necessarily reflected by mixed messages which the United States transmits on a seemingly daily basis.

Perhaps it's the ideal of the American Way to which the United States could, and should, aspire to once again. And part of this aspiration could be to set aside these arbitrary biases and differences and, instead, collectively focus upon a brighter future.

Mindpeace
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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by WhatAreThey
I find it absolutely hilarious how you people get on your high horses and call someone "racist" and think you are soooo much better than them - like you have just pulled the wools from everyone else's eyes and exposed this person for being a raaacccciiiiissstt.


Most of us are not racist. We are more... "culturalist".

We don't like thugs who wear pants down to their ankles revealing their underwear for everyone to see, speak in gibberish, attempt to legitimize a corruption of a language, replace their teeth with tinfoil/diamonds/gold, have huge obnoxious tires and blast loud vulgar music for all to hear. Those who have 6 kids by 6 different daddy's. Those who don't know who the father of their children are. We don't like the culture of walking around harassing people because someone looked at them funny. We don't like the culture of highly disproportionate crime rates, violence, rape, and drug use. We don't like the general disrespect and selfishness the culture has. We don't like the lack of self-improvement or the attitude of entitlement. The culture of victimization and persecution from white people. We don't like the culture of placing blame on the white man. We don't like the culture of staying on welfare while you go out and make tons of money selling drugs.

This culture exists. PC has allowed for a large group of people to adopt the above culture and be protected behind a curtain of politically correct sheep who defend any criticism or discrimination of the above by labeling it "racist" by inherently assuming that the above culture is the culture of the inner city black person.


Just the fact that you have attributed all of these "cultural traits" to "inner city black" people, is racist. If you don't understand that, then you have no business discussing the topic.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
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I come in contact with racism on an almost daily basis at my job. I work at a convenient store in a predominantly white residential area. Hardly a night goes by where I don't here some customer using the N word. One customer even took the time to complain to me about Obama and about how "this is what you get when you make an N-word President, he then proceeded to continue griping about gas prices as if gas prices were entirely under the President's power".

From what I've seen both where I work now and where I used to live (in the inner city, with the so-called thugs and gangstas) Racism is far more PREVALENT than most people think it is. And this is in Pennsylvania, supposedly part of the North.


So are you saying this guy came up with a preconceived notion of Obama? Or did he judge him after he saw his character and actions?



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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I try not to use the race card myself, but sometimes I get caught up in things. And there are times when I truly see racism in something. Such but certainly not limited to as the Birthers, and antisemites. You can always tell the antisemites. If you know what to look for, you can always tell anybody who is a racist. There are always overtones in their speech.

The thing about racists is they always think racism is good, and they never under any circumstances think of themselves as racist, but always think of themselves as the good ole boys fighting the good fight. Such as the antisemite and Israel.

But racism really is far more prevalent in America than people want to admit. it's just not popular to be open about it as it once was because of the politically charged climate of today. Popular opinion always drown out unpopular opinion.

And yes, I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment of the title, if not the OP. Racism is always a farce. America was meant to be a melting pot. It's not for nothing we say divided we fall. That's something people in America seems to have forgotten. United we stand is not just for one ethnic group or one culture, it is for all cultures to stand together on an equal basis.

but what most people don't know is, those who often denounce racism, almost always reveal their own prejudices and bigotries when they do so.

Call me a dreamer if you will, but I truly wish things like racism and bigotry and prejudice will end, not just in America, but throughout the entire world.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by WhatAreThey
I find it absolutely hilarious how you people get on your high horses and call someone "racist" and think you are soooo much better than them - like you have just pulled the wools from everyone else's eyes and exposed this person for being a raaacccciiiiissstt.


Most of us are not racist. We are more... "culturalist".

We don't like thugs who wear pants down to their ankles revealing their underwear for everyone to see, speak in gibberish, attempt to legitimize a corruption of a language, replace their teeth with tinfoil/diamonds/gold, have huge obnoxious tires and blast loud vulgar music for all to hear. Those who have 6 kids by 6 different daddy's. Those who don't know who the father of their children are. We don't like the culture of walking around harassing people because someone looked at them funny. We don't like the culture of highly disproportionate crime rates, violence, rape, and drug use. We don't like the general disrespect and selfishness the culture has. We don't like the lack of self-improvement or the attitude of entitlement. The culture of victimization and persecution from white people. We don't like the culture of placing blame on the white man. We don't like the culture of staying on welfare while you go out and make tons of money selling drugs.

This culture exists. PC has allowed for a large group of people to adopt the above culture and be protected behind a curtain of politically correct sheep who defend any criticism or discrimination of the above by labeling it "racist" by inherently assuming that the above culture is the culture of the inner city black person.


Just the fact that you have attributed all of these "cultural traits" to "inner city black" people, is racist. If you don't understand that, then you have no business discussing the topic.



Apparently, you can't read correctly. Your political correctness has blinded you. Re-read what I wrote and open your eyes up to the brainwashing.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by WhatAreThey

Originally posted by torqpoc
reply to post by WhatAreThey
 


"Culturalist" if you wish to use this term relates to culture, or more specifically: :
one that emphasizes the importance of culture in determining behaviour
a specialist in the study of culture; specif : a cultural anthropologist

Racism is not a farce and to even think it is is bereft of any kind of intelligence.

T



Yeah, and "Racist" is a term that emphasizes the importance of skin color in determining behavior.

e.g. If you are racist, you immediately associate skin color with culture (i.e socioeconomically adopted behavioral characteristics)

Or, more formally and straight from the dictionary:

Racism: 1. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others.

As in my OP, I did not say that the culture I described was distinctive of any particular race.

By contrast, those that would label myself and those who think like me as "racist" are the same people who associate that culture as distinctly Black - thereby showing their ignorance of the culture as it stands in reality, and in turn, assuming the position that such an attack on their perceived "color-distinctive culture" is inherently wrong - and as such, racist.

It is political correctness gone awry and amounts to subversive activity via proxy-of-the-pubic by the powers that be.

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Racism has nothing to do with skin colour. Yet again you're spreading misinformation based on your perception of culture. Let me ask you outright, are you a cultural anthropologist? I guess not, because if you were you would realise that racism isn't linked to skin colour, that is simply a more modern spin on things.

From your very own quote:
the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others.

Where in that does skin colour come into effect. You're the only one who mentions skin colour, hence, you must be the one who's racist against people of differing skin colour to your own.

Keep the pretty prose coming dear, you're making me smile, but in the end you're the bigot and I am simply correcting your misuse of terminology.

Edit - And just to add, racism the act of being a racist has been around for centuries. So your socio-cultural spin on things to try and get yourself stars and make yourself "look" good to the other haters on this forum won't ever change history or linguistics. Nor will it have an effect on cultural anthropology.

T
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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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No, but if you are white then that means that as a race you must take accountability for actions in the past as well as actions that continue to this day.


No, that's just you with some weird notion of collective guilt.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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You said: "The culture of victimization and persecution from white people. We don't like the culture of placing blame on the white man. We don't like the culture of staying on welfare while you go out and make tons of money selling drug."

BS - "We" meaning all white people?

You're more transparent than you think. My eyes are wide open.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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I thought it was Muslim American. Newt?



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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I understand where you're coming from. What I don't understand is WHY this case is already a divisive topic. There hasn't been enough time for the evidence to be collected and an appeal made to the allegations. IF this man is a murderer, he will be found guilty. If he turns out to be innocent all the naysayers won't eat crow. I personally don't care either way. Another day, another death of someone I have never met nor heard of. Such is life, but everyone needs to hold their horses until further evidence is provided.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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So you ignore my whole post and just quote that part. Selective reading, but I understand because this is a very dividing subject and most people hold dear their positions. I was not saying "blame whitey" or anything like that I was responding to a poster in particular and addressing his post.


Originally posted by 59demon
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I understand where you're coming from. What I don't understand is WHY this case is already a divisive topic. There hasn't been enough time for the evidence to be collected and an appeal made to the allegations. IF this man is a murderer, he will be found guilty. If he turns out to be innocent all the naysayers won't eat crow. I personally don't care either way. Another day, another death of someone I have never met nor heard of. Such is life, but everyone needs to hold their horses until further evidence is provided.


Yes I agree. It's an unfortunate case and hopefully it will be resolved legally and not in vigilante fashion which would be a shame.
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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Vigilantism will only be held at bay so long as the authorities give the people what they want.

There are plenty of forms of torture that are neither illegal nor traceable. All of these may be inflicted upon the unwanted man, and they will quickly drive him to exile or death.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by torqpoc

Originally posted by WhatAreThey

Originally posted by torqpoc
reply to post by WhatAreThey
 


"Culturalist" if you wish to use this term relates to culture, or more specifically: :
one that emphasizes the importance of culture in determining behaviour
a specialist in the study of culture; specif : a cultural anthropologist

Racism is not a farce and to even think it is is bereft of any kind of intelligence.

T



Yeah, and "Racist" is a term that emphasizes the importance of skin color in determining behavior.

e.g. If you are racist, you immediately associate skin color with culture (i.e socioeconomically adopted behavioral characteristics)

Or, more formally and straight from the dictionary:

Racism: 1. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others.

As in my OP, I did not say that the culture I described was distinctive of any particular race.

By contrast, those that would label myself and those who think like me as "racist" are the same people who associate that culture as distinctly Black - thereby showing their ignorance of the culture as it stands in reality, and in turn, assuming the position that such an attack on their perceived "color-distinctive culture" is inherently wrong - and as such, racist.

It is political correctness gone awry and amounts to subversive activity via proxy-of-the-pubic by the powers that be.

edit on 27-3-2012 by WhatAreThey because: (no reason given)


Racism has nothing to do with skin colour. Yet again you're spreading misinformation based on your perception of culture. Let me ask you outright, are you a cultural anthropologist? I guess not, because if you were you would realise that racism isn't linked to skin colour, that is simply a more modern spin on things.

From your very own quote:
the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others.

Where in that does skin colour come into effect. You're the only one who mentions skin colour, hence, you must be the one who's racist against people of differing skin colour to your own.

Keep the pretty prose coming dear, you're making me smile, but in the end you're the bigot and I am simply correcting your misuse of terminology.

Edit - And just to add, racism the act of being a racist has been around for centuries. So your socio-cultural spin on things to try and get yourself stars and make yourself "look" good to the other haters on this forum won't ever change history or linguistics. Nor will it have an effect on cultural anthropology.

T
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Are you a cultural anthropologist? In fact, the definitions I use support the anthropological definitions and vice-versa. For example, one definition of race in the anthropological sense is:

"an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups. "

So, I am not the only one that mentions skin color. Apparently, not only do you not know anything about cultural anthropology, but you do not understand the nuances of linguistics.



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Blarneystoner
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You said: "The culture of victimization and persecution from white people. We don't like the culture of placing blame on the white man. We don't like the culture of staying on welfare while you go out and make tons of money selling drug."

BS - "We" meaning all white people?

You're more transparent than you think. My eyes are wide open.


No, I don't mean "We" as in white people. I mean "We" as in the people who don't like the culture. There are plenty of blacks, Hispanics, and Asians who don't like the culture as well. It is very interesting that you would associate the dislike of it soley with white people, however.

You can project all the racism you want into what I said: Your brainwashing is showing.



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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by WhatAreThey
Are you a cultural anthropologist? In fact, the definitions I use support the anthropological definitions and vice-versa. For example, one definition of race in the anthropological sense is:

"an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups. "

So, I am not the only one that mentions skin color. Apparently, not only do you not know anything about cultural anthropology, but you do not understand the nuances of linguistics.


No I am not, nor am I an arrogant child looking to make a name for themselves on the forum, as you truly seem to be to me right now. You have been rude and condescending more than once, so i'll follow suit

You were not classifying cultures in the sense of an anthropologist, you simply jumped on that due to my use of a dictionary definition of the term "culturalist". You are neither an anthrapologist, nor a culturalist, you are just someone hell bent on wanting to justify his hate of others on cultural diversity, when in fact it is more racism than anything else.

You also seem to wish to negate all the racist acts which have happened in the history of man kind, which also had nothing to do with skin colour.

Nuances of linguistics have nothing to do with trying to negate the term racism and dress it up in a cultural diversification dress. Keep kidding yourself, bigot.

I have nothing more to say to you.

T
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posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Couldn't have phrased this any better myself. It's not a matter of being racist, but a matter of wanting a Nation that will allow your children to grow up more prosperous environment than the generation before them.

I live in the Chicago area and can honestly say there are many areas I literally could not even walk through for fear of my life, not to mention friends and family due to nothing but the color of my skin. We once grew up in a nation of high morals, high ethics, where getting an education meant something, where helping your community was of the highest regard, when the "nuclear family" actually had meaning.

The cultures entering our country refuse to assimilate with the rest of our society and therefor don't follow any of the traditionally protestant ideals that our great leaders founded this nation upon.

It is a sad day to see our culture absorbed by the demoralized, uneducated, and downright ruthless ethnic groups who have shown time and time again (through objective statistics, please don't live in your own fantasy land) wherever their cultural attitude goes... poverty, homicide, robbery, rape, drugs and all other imaginable degradation of society will follow.
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