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It's the sun! It's...sleeping?

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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 10:25 PM
Mods - Not quite sure which forum, but this seemed the best fit.

Okay, the earthquakes have been interesting. Two major ones in about a week, no less. First, a 7.4 in Mexico and now a 7.0 in Chile. There is certainly a whole lot of shaking going on out there.

What there isn't though, is Solar activity and there hasn't been in a bit.

It's quite literally, sleeping. At least at the moment, and of course things could change without notice. However, it even looks quiet today.

Now it's certainly true that the opposite happens fairly often as well. We see Solar activity that coincides with Earthquakes or eruptions..or whatever the event of the day is. The fact Solar activity doesn't seem to be a direct cause and effect is interesting though. In general terms, we've actually fallen into a lull for major sunspots.

It appears the Sun managed to briefly rise above the predicted trend line but is now back below it. Considerably below it.

So for a change, it isn't fire and brimstone to report from our benefactor in the sky, but a nice quiet period of nothingness........ Perhaps we can see this carry for awhile.

edit on 25-3-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: A quiet little typo .. err..

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 10:51 PM
hehehehe...I was wondering where all the CME, Sunspots, Solar Storm posts were the past few days.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Seems that the big one (1429) is coming back around...

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 11:03 PM
I wonder if the CMEs on the other side of the sun somehow effect earthquakes more than the ones on this sides. 1429 unleashed a couple of big ones there and we had quakes within days. I I have noticed that similarity before also, I've been watching those sites for years. If it blasts on the other side it could pull on the orbital lines that the planets ride on or disturb the earths solar magnetic umbilical cord/cords that grab about every eight or so minutes.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 11:04 PM
So I guess that lays to rest all the theories that solar activity causes earthquakes. Nice observation Wrabbit

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 11:55 PM

Originally posted by AllUrChips
So I guess that lays to rest all the theories that solar activity causes earthquakes. Nice observation Wrabbit

It certainly shows that our rock doesn't require an active Sun to shake itself up a bit. I tend to believe the people who work in the field and say the two have little or nothing to do with each other. Not the Sun itself (gravity is certainly a fair debate)...but flares and CME's anyway.

posted on Mar, 26 2012 @ 01:09 AM
makes me wonder what kind of mood he (sun) will be in when he wakes up/

posted on Mar, 26 2012 @ 06:23 AM

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
It appears the Sun managed to briefly rise above the predicted trend line but is now back below it. Considerably below it.

So for a change, it isn't fire and brimstone to report from our benefactor in the sky, but a nice quiet period of nothingness........ Perhaps we can see this carry for awhile.

Again some people want to look only for a linear correlation between earthquakes and Solar activity, but the thing is that fluctuating activity, up or down BOTH have been linked by several scientists as triggers for earthquakes.

When the sun is quiet it allows others sources of radiation and energy to enter the solar system which in turn do affect the dynamics of every planet including Earth.

Think of it like two earth plates crushing against each other, and then relaxing completely, both actions will trigger reactions. On the same manner when the Sun's activity drops, this allows for energy from other sources around our Solar System to enter the Solar System hence changing the dynamics of planets like Earth.

edit on 26-3-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 26 2012 @ 06:27 AM

Originally posted by AllUrChips
So I guess that lays to rest all the theories that solar activity causes earthquakes. Nice observation Wrabbit


SCIENCE WITHOUT BORDERS. Transactions of the International Academy of Science H & E.
Vol.3. 2007/2008, SWB, Innsbruck, 2008 ISBN 978-9952-451-01-6 ISSN 2070-0334

*Khain V.E., **Khalilov E.N.
*Moscow State University named after M.V.Lomonosov,
**International Academy of Science H&E (Austria, Innsbruck)

It has been determined that in the period of solar activity increase (11-year
cycles) there increase seismic and volcanic activities in the compression zone of
Earth and at the same time there decreases the activity in the tension zones of Earth.
On the basis of the discovered stable 11-year and 22-year cyclicalities in the seismic and volcanic activities and their high correlation with solar activity there has been made the long-term forecast until 2018. The next maximum of seismic and volcanic activity with very high amplitude for the compression zones of Earth is forecasted for the period 2012-2015.

BTW, if you want to know who Elchin Khalilov (Khalilov E.N.) is here are a few facts that anyone can corroborate...

Dr.Prof. Elchin Khalilov (Azerbaijani: Elçin Xəlilov (born On April, 26th 1959, Baku, Azerbaijan) is a famous scientist in the sphere of geodynamics, seismology and tectonics.

Solar activity as a triggering mechanism for earthquakes

John F. Simpsona, b

a Goodyear Aerospace Corporation, USA

b University of Akron, Akron, Ohio, USA

Received 7 November 1967; revised 16 December 1967. Available online 28 October 2002.


Solar activity, as indicated by sunspots, radio noise and geomagnetic indices, plays a significant but by no means exclusive role in the triggering of earthquakes. Maximum quake frequency occurs at times of moderately high and fluctuating solar activity. Terrestrial solar flare effects which are the actual coupling mechanisms which trigger quakes appear to be either abrupt accelerations in the earth's angular velocity or surges of telluric currents in the earth's crust. The graphs presented in this paper permit probabilistic forecasting of earthquakes, and when used in conjunction with local indicators may provide a significant tool for specific earthquake prediction.

A relationship between solar activity and frequency of natural disasters in China
Journal Advances in Atmospheric Sciences
Publisher Science Press, co-published with Springer-Verlag GmbH
ISSN 0256-1530 (Print) 1861-9533 (Online)
Issue Volume 20, Number 6 / November, 2003
DOI 10.1007/BF02915516
Pages 934-939
Subject Collection Earth and Environmental Science
SpringerLink Date Sunday, June 08, 2008

Wang Zhongrui1 , Song Feng2 and Tang Maocang1

(1) Cold and Arid Regions Environmental and Engineering Research Institute, Chinese Academy of Sciences, 730000 Lanzhou
(2) Climate and Bio-Atmospheric Sciences Group, School of Natural Resource Sciences, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA

Received: 7 September 2002 Revised: 6 June 2003

Abstract The relationship between the length of the solar cycle, a good indicator of long-term change in solar activity, and natural disasters (drought, flood, and strong earthquakes) in China during the last 108 years is analyzed. The results suggest that the length of solar cycle may be a useful indicator for drought/flood and strong earthquakes. When the solar activity strengthens, we see the length of the solar cycle shorten and more floods occur in South China and frequent strong earthquakes happen in the Tibetan Plateau, but the droughts in East China as well as the strong earthquakes in Taiwan and at the western boundary of China are very few. The opposite frequencies occur when the solar activity weakens. The current study indicates that the solar activity may play an important role in the climate extremes and behavior in the lithosphere.

posted on Mar, 26 2012 @ 06:29 AM
The sun is the Alpha and Omega of our being. It is the giver and the taker away. Our existence and our very being is tied into that star, in more ways than one. My feeling is that we will evolve with it like we always have in our past and we move forward in a new way. I see the Sun as more of a mother and less a destroyer.

posted on Mar, 26 2012 @ 06:29 AM

Solar activity and global seismicity of the earth

Journal Bulletin of the Russian Academy of Sciences: Physics
Publisher Allerton Press, Inc. distributed exclusively by Springer Science+Business Media LLC
ISSN 1062-8738 (Print) 1934-9432 (Online)
Issue Volume 71, Number 4 / April, 2007
Category Proceedings of the XXIX All-Russia Conference on Cosmic Rays
DOI 10.3103/S1062873807040466
Pages 593-595
Subject Collection Physics and Astronomy
SpringerLink Date Wednesday, May 16, 2007

S. D. Odintsov1, G. S. Ivanov-Kholodnyi1 and K. Georgieva2

(1) Pushkov Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere, and Radiowave Propagation, Russian Academy of Sciences, Troitsk, Moscow oblast, 142190, Russia
(2) Laboratory of Solar—Terrestrial Coupling, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, Sophia, Bulgaria

Abstract Results of studying the character and possible succession of cause-effect relations (in going from a disturbance source on the Sun to a response in the lithosphere in the range of periods from several days to the 11-year solar cycle) have been presented. It has been indicated that the maximum of seismic energy, released from earthquake sources in the 11-yr cycle of sunspots, is observed during the phase of cycle decline and lags 2 yr behind the solar cycle maximum. It has been established that the maximum in the number of earthquakes directly correlates with the instant of a sudden increase in the solar wind velocity.

Original Russian Text © S.D. Odintsov, G.S. Ivanov-Kholodnyi, K. Georgieva, 2007, published in Izvestiya Rossiiskoi Akademii Nauk. Seriya Fizicheskaya, 2007, Vol. 71, No. 4, pp. 608–610.

Relationship between global seismicity and solar activities

Journal Acta Seismologica Sinica
Publisher Seismological Society of China
ISSN 1000-9116 (Print) 1993-1344 (Online)
Issue Volume 11, Number 4 / July, 1998
DOI 10.1007/s11589-998-0096-5
Pages 495-500
Subject Collection Earth and Environmental Science
SpringerLink Date Tuesday, June 19, 2007

Gui-Qing Zhang1

(1) Beijing Astronomical Observatory, Chinese Academy of Science, 100101 Beijing, China

Received: 4 July 1997 Revised: 25 November 1997 Accepted: 25 November 1997

Abstract The relations between sunspot numbers and earthquakes (M≧6), solar 10.7 cm radio flux and earthquakes, solar proton events and earthquakes have been analyzed in this paper. It has been found that: (1) Earthquakes occur frequently around the minimum years of solar activity. Generally, the earthquake activities are relatively less during the peak value years of solar activity, some say, around the period when magnetic polarity in the solar polar regions is reversed. (2) the earthquake frequency in the minimum period of solar activity is closely related to the maximum annual means of sunspot numbers, the maximum annual means of solar 10.7 cm radio flux and solar proton events of a whole solar cycle, and the relation between earthquake and solar proton events is closer than others. (3) As judged by above interrelationship, the period from 1995 to 1997 will be the years while earthquake activities are frequent. In the paper, the simple physical discussion has been carried out.
Key words solar activity - sunspot numbers - solar radio flux - solar proton events

These results supported the exploration and studies of some researchers to a certain extent.

This work is supported by Foundation of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (major item).

Annales Geophysicae (2003) 21: 597–602
c European Geosciences Union 2003

High-energy charged particle bursts in the near-Earth space as
earthquake precursors
S. Yu. Aleksandrin1, A. M. Galper1, L. A. Grishantzeva1, S. V. Koldashov1, L. V. Maslennikov1, A.M. Murashov1,
P. Picozza2, V. Sgrigna3, and S. A. Voronov1
1Space Physics Institute, Moscow State Engineering Physics Institute, Kashirskoe shosse 31, 115409 Moscow, Russia
2Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Rome ”Tor Vergata” and INFN Sez. Rome2, via della Ricerca Scientifica 1, I–00133 Rome, Italy
3Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Rome ”Roma Tre”, via della Vasca Navale, 84, I–00146 Rome, Italy
Received: 21 July 2001 – Revised: 21 May 2002 – Accepted: 11 July 2002

Abstract. The experimental data on high-energy charged
particle fluxes, obtained in various near-Earth space experiments
(MIR orbital station, METEOR-3, GAMMA and
SAMPEX satellites) were processed and analyzed with the
goal to search for particle bursts. Particle bursts have been selected
in every experiment considered. It was shown that the
significant part of high-energy charged particle bursts correlates with seismic activity. Moreover, the particle bursts are observed several hours before strong earthquakes; L-shells of particle bursts and corresponding earthquakes are practically the same
. Some features of a seismo-magnetosphere connection model, based on the interaction of electromagnetic emission of seismic origin and radiation belt particles, were considered.

Key words. Ionospheric physics (energetic particles,
trapped; energetic particles, precipitating; magnetosphereionosphere

As to why is this sort of research important for us now? Some of you might remember the following, or you might have forgotten.

Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High

ScienceDaily (Sep. 29, 2009) — Planning a trip to Mars? Take plenty of shielding. According to sensors on NASA's ACE (Advanced Composition Explorer) spacecraft, galactic cosmic rays have just hit a Space Age high.

"In 2009, cosmic ray intensities have increased 19% beyond anything weve seen in the past 50 years," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech. "The increase is significant, and it could mean we need to re-think how much radiation shielding astronauts take with them on deep-space missions."

The cause of the surge is solar minimum, a deep lull in solar activity that began around 2007 and continues today. Researchers have long known that cosmic rays go up when solar activity goes down. Right now solar activity is as weak as it has been in modern times, setting the stage for what Mewaldt calls "a perfect storm of cosmic rays."

"We're experiencing the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center, "so it is no surprise that cosmic rays are at record levels for the Space Age."

posted on Mar, 26 2012 @ 09:47 AM
reply to post by -W1LL

We should give it some coffee or tea so it stays mellow.

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