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Topic started on 25-3-2012 @ 05:05 PM by Morgenstern89
I've been checking out some of the free security tools that I've used from time to time, and they seem to have improved quite a bit. For years I have used Norton on my main machines, and it seems that what it offers and what I pay for it are pretty unevenly matched. An expensive false sense of security, I guess. My subscription ran out and I can't justify paying them another hundred or so dollars every year. I was considering going with Kaspersky, but again, can't justify the cost.

When I look at free tools such as AVG, Avira, Avast, etc, they only seem to be lacking a bunch of unnecessary tools that are included with their for-pay counterparts. Same deal with free firewalls such as Comodo or Zone Alarm. So if that's the case, is there any real disadvantage to using a free security program? Is there any real difference in what they can and can not detect/block?

As far as I can tell, the answer is no. My Norton License was for 5 PCs and I have 8. All of the computers that are used heavily had Norton on them, and while it seemed to have kept them clean, all of the others that were running free programs did alright as well. Since switching, my PC has slowed down a little bit in terms of web browsing, but I think that is probably due to the firewall and antivirus live monitoring conflicting with each other(which can be configured), and they are probably still "learning" what's ok and what's not. What do the security experts out there have to say? I mostly depend on common sense as apposed to any technical security know-how to keep myself safe, but I'd be interested to hear what they have to say.

What's everyone's preferred combination of tools?

My current setup:
Browser: Firefox with Adblock Plus
Anti-Virus: Avast Free
Firewall: Zone Alarm Free
Anti-Malware: Malwarebytes and Adaware

Looking forward to the replies.


reply posted on 25-3-2012 @ 05:11 PM by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by Morgenstern89


Linux (any distro will do, Ubuntu is easy for people unfamiliar with Linux)
Firefox AdBlockPlus + NoScript (which you need to "allow" for most sites you use)
No virus scanner
No firewall on the PC
No malware scanner
Good luck.

ETA I should add I do have Windows 7 (dual boot) but my ISP gives a commercial virus scanner free as part of the deal. It used to be Mcafee but now they switched to F Secure. I rarely use Windows though.
edit on 25/3/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: ETA



reply posted on 3-4-2012 @ 01:57 PM by InsideYourMind
Since switching, my PC has slowed down a little bit in terms of web browsing, but I think that is probably due to the firewall and antivirus live monitoring conflicting with each other(which can be configured), and they are probably still "learning" what's ok and what's not. What do the security experts out there have to say? I mostly depend on common sense as apposed to any technical security know-how to keep myself safe, but I'd be interested to hear what they have to say.


If you want a real sense of security, you should leave windows entirely and move to open-source software which is actually free, in a sense that the content and sources of the programs are publicly readable. I do not understand how people can put trust into software which is closed source and deals with "security", i find it quite laughable.

It may seem like a very tedious task, and lots of learning to do if you are unfamiliar with securing a network and any computers it houses (or even more, unfamiliar with linux/unix as a whole)... but the fact is there is no such thing as instant security (or 100% security for a matter of fact). The more you get to know your system and what it is doing, by telling your computer what to do beforehand is one of the most important things in maintaining a "clean" and secure environment.

This is something which just cannot be done with windows, and it's "free" closed source software packages, as it's almost impossible to understand or learn how windows and most of its software operates internally.

If you want to take it seriously, ideally using a common GNU/Linux distribution (if you have never used one before i would recommend
debian 'stable' ), after making sure the system is entirely upto date all you would really need is this software:

Squid
Snort
iptables
nmap
rkhunter <-- doesn't hurt to run this once in a while

It would be wise to setup a transparent proxy on your local network that can filter out unwanted traffic to your computers (for example running a squid proxy with filter rules on a router acting as a firewall).
eg: www.dd-wrt.com...

You can configure it to block lists of known rogue domains/servers (for example peerguardian / bluetack lists).

You would also want to setup a strong firewall to deny all incoming traffic by default and harden the default ipv4 settings (file: /etc/sysctl.conf) for example, what i use: pastie.org...

Disable all publicly facing services unless you absolutely need them (mail server, ftp, vnc... etc). you can check if this is setup correctly by running nmap from a seperate computer on the network.

Another thing you could do is run a nids/ids setup ((network-)instrusion detection system) by using something such as snort: www.snort.org...

Many guides out there such as this one on how to get it up and running: www.aboutdebian.com...

Best part of all of this it will be unnoticeable as to any "slow downs" by running such a setup.

The problem i have with anti-virus software is that, it is literally useless. The goal of securing a system is to disallow access to a computer or network so that malicious files or webpages cannot be loaded onto it. this is why its important to be running a seperate firewall and ids system on a seperate piece of hardware such as a firewalled router.

Besides, there is no point going to all that trouble at creating such a secure setup if the intention is to allow users to browse facebook, twitter and use software involving adobe "technologies" which are well known to provide massive gaping holes in any system.

But hey, just putting this out there for anyone who is interested. It's very much worth the time and saves alot of trouble later on in the event someone does try to "crack" into your network/computers.
edit on 3/4/2012 by InsideYourMind because: (no reason given)

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