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As the legality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - a.k.a. Obamacare - goes before the highest court in the land, here are three reasons to chuck the whole program even before it gets underway.
1. It Represents the End of Limited Government. The Supreme Court will issue its verdict later this spring of course, but there's no question that if the government can force you to do something simply because you exist and draw breath, then the American experiment in limited government is over and done with. Whether it's the mandating of eating broccoli or buying insurance, a government that can make you do whatever it wants just ain't in the American grain.
2. Its Price Tag is Already Ballooning. The latest government estimate of cost tells us what we already knew. Health-care reform is going to cost us a lot more than the arm and the leg it's supposed to save us. The Congressional Budget Office is now saying that the first full decade of Obamacare is going to cost about $1.8 trillion , or double the original estimate used to sell the program.
3. Obamacare Won't Make Us Healthier. Health insurance isn't the same thing as health. Most of us might end up paying more for health care under the new law, but there's precious little evidence that coverage itself leads to lower medical costs. A 1993 study by the RAND Corporation found that "for the average person, there were no substantial benefits from free care ." Not smoking, eating moderately, and not boozing it up provide greater health benefits than any low-deductible, low-co-pay insurance plan.
Even when the black letters of the Constitution seem so crystal clear on a point.
Originally posted by links234
reply to post by The Old American
I thought one of the arguments against Obamacare was that it limited insurance company profits?
Stifling the free-market or some such.
Originally posted by jolynna
The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is a BAILOUT to pharmaceutical and insurance interests written by corporate lobbyists. Based on the failed model in Massachusetts it demands that Americans buy health insurance from private insurance. There will be subsidies for the VERY poor but not for anyone with a MODEST (very modest) income.
In Massachusetts, one in six people who have mandated insurance say they cannot afford care and that they are WORSE off than before. Advocates promised that the law would shrink the rolls of the uninsured and reduce health care costs. But the reform instead pushed health care cost increases UP. Insurance premiums in the state rose 6% between 2006 - 2008 and are expected to rise 10–12 percent next year, double the national average.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Even when the black letters of the Constitution seem so crystal clear on a point.
Seems crystal clear to you one way...and crystal clear to others a different way.
The thing is...it's not crystal clear...not much in the Constitution is. Which is why we have the SCOTUS.
The way the Constitution sets up the SCOTUS...you can't say they "got it wrong". You may not agree with it...but what they say is the final say...it can be challenged in the future...but until that time what they say is law.
Source
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Source
“The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.” – United States v. Sprague, 282 U.S. 716, 733 (1931).
The founding fathers had good reason to pen the Tenth Amendment.
The issue of power – and especially the great potential for a power struggle between the federal and the state governments – was extremely important to the America’s founders. They deeply distrusted government power, and their goal was to prevent the growth of the type of government that the British has exercised over the colonies.
Originally posted by sarra1833
Wait. The Obama care bill is already here? Funny cuz I'm basically almost unemployed aside from this temp job I have for 15 hrs a week at min wage and I have zero insurance. Have my entire life. Can't afford it. Don't want it anyway. Rarely get sick. And even if I do, I don't run to the dr. I take OTC cold stuff or whatever the case is.
Obamacare is going to screw the low incomers like me who struggle to pay rent, bills, student loans etc. Bad enough the student loans keep me having to push my bills ahead and let them add up. To force me to have to pay what? 100/150/300 a month that I don't have for mandated insurance? What about old people on a fixed income of 600 or 800 a month? I heard we go to jail if we don't pay. WTF. Almost like child support, huh?
Down with this all the way.
I've been fine my whole 39 years w/o health insurance. I don't need this money sucker at ALL. We should have the choice to opt out without penalties.