'Honour' violence is acceptable, say one in five young British Asians

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by Jameela
Next time address what I said, do not seek every little tiny opening to press the hate agenda

it shows you all are weak of mind

You seek every opening you can get, to engage in apologetics, and portray Muslims as exclusively innocent victims. I'm not really seeing too much of a difference, there. The truth gets sacrificed in both cases.

Yeah do not worry, I am done.

Your post made me realize that, everything I wanted was wrong. I wanted a world where we could all understand one another and live without hate. Where we could better our countries and find a path to peace. It was only a stupid girl wanting an impossible dream. Dreams do not come true in reality.

Someone told me I could make a difference, that I should stay because this was a good thing. But it is to no avail.

Keep your version of truth. You wont here me engage in anything that resembles an effort to peace and understanding again.

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by Jameela
Next time address what I said, do not seek every little tiny opening to press the hate agenda

it shows you all are weak of mind

You seek every opening you can get, to engage in apologetics, and portray Muslims as exclusively innocent victims. I'm not really seeing too much of a difference, there. The truth gets sacrificed in both cases.

Its ok, I'm used to the name calling, I get it a lot of the time from Radicals around here where I live, somehow I find it ironic. Methinks this may be a radical follower of some sort, the use of hate was littered throughout the previous posts even though none was being used initially or in return.

If this person isn't a radical then they should take a long good look at what people who use the banner of being Islamic are doing, these people are technically not even Muslims to be honest.

What also makes me laugh is the incredible arrogance you get when you tell a radical who's staring you in the face telling you they are going to behead you and take your country that what they are saying isn't within the ideals of this country, they then start calling the bigot card..

Amazing...The irony...

Thankfully my in laws are a million miles away from these apologistic name callers, they came, they integrated and they continue to engage in their religion without blaming a single non muslim for anything.

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by Jameela
Next time address what I said, do not seek every little tiny opening to press the hate agenda

it shows you all are weak of mind

You seek every opening you can get, to engage in apologetics, and portray Muslims as exclusively innocent victims. I'm not really seeing too much of a difference, there. The truth gets sacrificed in both cases.

Yeah do not worry, I am done.

Your post made me realize that, everything I wanted was wrong. I wanted a world where we could all understand one another and live without hate. Where we could better our countries and find a path to peace. It was only a stupid girl wanting an impossible dream. Dreams do not come true in reality.

Someone told me I could make a difference, that I should stay because this was a good thing. But it is to no avail.

Keep your version of truth. You wont here me engage in anything that resembles an effort to peace and understanding again.

My inlaws do what you want without need to use the word hate repeatedly, why can't you?

The problem I see here is that you want to point blame but not accept any criticism which in the real world is simply illogical. Face facts, no one is perfect, we have our BNP people, you have radicals, they both have ideals that stop the ordinary person living a quiet life. Sadly a lot of Muslims refuse to judge these radicals in the same way I judge the racist BNP, they refuse to stand up and denounce them even though these people rubbish your religion with man made nonsense.

No one is beyond criticism, if you believe you are then you may as well join the flag waving hatred mob on any side you like. Throwing a fit because you don't like people talking correctly critically about an off shoot of your religion just does not cut it in the way of the peaceful world, those committed to peace tend to look at stuff from both sides.

If you can't you are NOT committed to peace so part of the problem.

reply to post by Mclaneinc

Mclaneinc, I was very def taking the piss with that comment , and I know that sadly, some people really do believe that.

I had written a long reply...but then I read ALL of your post and found this:

As we all know the only issue with producing children is making sure the mother father link is NOT close family wise, Pakistani families often flaunt this basic logical genetic rule to the expense of their children.

Ya just cant help it can ya. If you are like this on here, god (oh look I wrote his name) knows what youre like around your neighbours.
Its not that long ago similar things were being said about the Irish...still are if ya know where to go on the internets

One of the girls i went to school with is mixed race and your wifes experience is similar to the crap she has to put up with...from white, mainly younger, idiots...sounds like Jameelia has a similar tale to tell as well.

Anyway, Im outtahere...I've had mah fill of hypocracy and hate for today.

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by Jameela
Next time address what I said, do not seek every little tiny opening to press the hate agenda

it shows you all are weak of mind

You seek every opening you can get, to engage in apologetics, and portray Muslims as exclusively innocent victims. I'm not really seeing too much of a difference, there. The truth gets sacrificed in both cases.

Yeah do not worry, I am done.

Your post made me realize that, everything I wanted was wrong. I wanted a world where we could all understand one another and live without hate. Where we could better our countries and find a path to peace. It was only a stupid girl wanting an impossible dream. Dreams do not come true in reality.

Someone told me I could make a difference, that I should stay because this was a good thing. But it is to no avail.

Keep your version of truth. You wont here me engage in anything that resembles an effort to peace and understanding again.

im afraid my dear jameel
your version of the truth may not be what ours are
so now you give up
tata then

reply to post by ollncasino


Just proves that ignorant, mouth breathing, religious zealots live everywhere. Just like here in the US in the "red" states.

Originally posted by jaguarsky
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Just proves that ignorant, mouth breathing, religious zealots live everywhere. Just like here in the US in the "red" states.

sorry but wtf
we are not in red neck country
were on a tiny island that is almost full
as well as tolerating other religions
we will not tolerate sharia law here FULL STOP

Originally posted by joewalker
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

Mclaneinc, I was very def taking the piss with that comment

, and I know that sadly, some people really do believe that.

I had written a long reply...but then I read ALL of your post and found this:

As we all know the only issue with producing children is making sure the mother father link is NOT close family wise, Pakistani families often flaunt this basic logical genetic rule to the expense of their children.

Ya just cant help it can ya. If you are like this on here, god (oh look I wrote his name) knows what youre like around your neighbours.
Its not that long ago similar things were being said about the Irish...still are if ya know where to go on the internets

One of the girls i went to school with is mixed race and your wifes experience is similar to the crap she has to put up with...from white, mainly younger, idiots...sounds like Jameelia has a similar tale to tell as well.

Anyway, Im outtahere...I've had mah fill of hypocracy and hate for today.

edit on 26-3-2012 by joewalker because: (no reason given)

Joe, are you on drugs mate (meant in a joke way), you have twice labelled me the bigot based upon your illogical thinking and simply the ignorance to not read what was written or fail to understand it. I'm Northern Irish and part of a mixed race marriage AND have muslim inlaws who love me to bits, where in heavens name do you get bigot from?

As for the highlighted part, don't blame me, blame Harvard scientists and medical experts in general, there is a proven link to close family sexual intercourse and deformity. The fact its relevant in Pakistani people isn't the point, I used them because they do and have done for hundreds of years use close family marriage, I'm sorry but I can't undo the text books to satisfy your annoyance.

The same issue was prevalent in the deep south for some time, does that make me anti American?

Unless YOU have any medical training that totally trashes what they have found from genetic research?

As for Jameela, I have no clue as to her background and any bigotry she has faced, no one deserves that but her attitude is one of refusing to accept there are bad Muslims, there are, fact, there are bad people in every race creed and religion, fact.

If you can't deal with that then you are in the wrong place to try and discuss it.

Originally posted by Jameela
Your post made me realize that, everything I wanted was wrong. I wanted a world where we could all understand one another and live without hate. Where we could better our countries and find a path to peace. It was only a stupid girl wanting an impossible dream. Dreams do not come true in reality.

This is not true, Jameela. There are other Muslims here who I have been able to have positive communications with. But one characteristic which they had, which you do not, was a willingness to admit that your people are not perfect, and they are not innocent. I do not demand of you, that Islam accept the entire blame for the conflict that exists between our two civilisations. I only ask that you accept your fair measure of it; because some of it does belong to you, in truth, even as some of it belongs to us. That must be acknowledged, and honestly, as a first priority, before any healing can occur.

I do want to heal the rift between the children of Allah and the rest of humanity, but said rift cannot be healed by overtures which only come from one side; either side, to the exclusion of the other. Islam must acknowledge its' sins, even as we must acknowledge our own, and give full accounting for them.

You do not know how difficult it is, emotionally, for me to attempt to be fair towards you. Most of the Americans here do not even make the attempt; they simply give in to blind rage and hatred, and view Islam as reality's answer to the Borg Collective; an assimilating, murdering force of nature that must be stopped and driven back before humanity as a whole is engulfed by it. I, however, am a person of faith also, and my Goddess will not allow me to surrender to such, as close as I might come at times. Restraint and justice are demanded of me.

Keep your version of truth. You wont here me engage in anything that resembles an effort to peace and understanding again.

That is not a decision which I consider wise. You must simply understand, that while peace may eventually come, and we must hope that it may, that it will not necessarily come exclusively on your own terms. There is more than one party to consider, here.

Originally posted by ollncasino
The vast majority of honour killings are carried out by Muslims killing other Muslims.

In that case, I don't have a problem with it.

Originally posted by Jameela

Keep your version of truth. You wont here me engage in anything that resembles an effort to peace and understanding again.

And there you have it, spoken like a true radical, if its not my way then you can forget peace and understanding...

Well at least you were honest in the end..Shame it took so long...

reply to post by Jameela


My post wasn't about shopping, but as that's your preoccupation I wonder how you actually figure out what your religion is all about?

Are the hadith passages quoted out of context? Are they wrong in anyway? Or is ignoring the facts what you do best? I know you posted that you are to quit, but I hope you don't as you are here to seek and learn and understand conspiracies. Here's one for you; Mohamed did away with superstition in Arabia Land

A child resembles whichever parent climaxed first (Bukhari 55:546)
Satan causes yawning (Bukhari 73:245)
Spoons should be covered before going to bed (Bukhari 69:527)
Oversleeping is caused by Satan urinating in one’s ear (Bukhari 54:492)
The bathroom should be entered with the left foot first. (Fiqh - Islamic law)
Keeping a dog as a pet will cost the owner a celestial reward (Bukhari 67:389)
A man should spit only to his left (Muslim 7149)
The penis should be held with the left hand only when urinating (Muslim 512)
A person should wipe their butt with an odd number of stones after defecating (Bukhari 4:162)
Satan sleeps in ones nose, so water should be snorted each day (Bukhari 54:516)
No one should lie on their back with one foot crossing the other.
Bad dreams can be warded off by spitting over the left side of the bed (Bukhari 87:115)
The right shoe should be put on before the left (Muslim 514)
No one should enter the house through the back door (Qur'an 2:189)

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by mkgandhas
so?

Hasn't west been waging genocide on hundreds of millions and billions for centuries? thing is that the biggest barbarians are the most noisy ones about 'human rights' in zones where massive natural resources exist.

So you are trying to justify Muslims killing other Muslims in honour killings by arguing that the West has waged "genocide on hundreds of millions and billions for centuries".

I don't follow your logic.

Having said that, not all victims are Muslims

Teenager is 'first' white victim of honour killing

The mother of a teenager stabbed to death as she walked by a canal yesterday claimed her daughter was the victim of a brutal honour killing.

Laura Wilson, 17, was repeatedly knifed in the head by her Asian boyfriend Ashtiaq Ashgar on a secluded tow path after their relationship turned sour.

Her mother, who has never spoken publicly before, believes her daughter was murdered because she challenged the code of ethics which some ethnic communities still follow.

It is thought that Miss Wilson could be the first white victim of an honour killing in Britain.

The Telegraph

Did you spot the code word 'Asian' again?

Ashtiaq Ashgar is a Muslim, according to other reports.

The Salfordian

If murder and violence, especially towards women, is an issue in your area, why would it need to be labelled with the "Asian" tag on it? You seem to be more concerned about making it a racial issue than to address the problem as it is.

THe other poster was right to point out the hypocrisy of the people who are reporting this kind of thing, using this to point the finger, once more, at "all these dangerous foreigners", while Britain has been one of the most aggressive, violent, murderous nation on the planet since the Medieval era. It conducted genocide on native populations of countries it invaded, after presenting itself as "friendly" invaders.

And what about all the rapes and murders and intimidation that the more traditional Caucasian British people have been doing in everyday life?

THe point is that it doesn't make them any better, or worse, than all these "Asians". Just that these "Asians" have somewhat insitutionalized this violence, instead of sweeping it under the run, good ol' Victorian way! Just cultural differences, that could be addressed in more intelligent ways than playing the race card.

All what he/she was asking is just "who do you think YOU are to point the finger at other culture's violence, when your own is already deeply violent and repressive"? Are you that much of a pacifist hippie, or Gandhi?

Originally posted by ollncasino
The newspaper report uses the word 'Asian'. While in the USA this has a wider meaning, in the UK it is now a code word for 'Muslim', particularily Pakistani Muslims.

Hi OP,
Ok I don't agree with honour violence, but you're spreading disinformation.

In the UK Asian is NOT used as a code word for Muslim. Muslim is used as a word for Muslims. Never read or heard such rubbish, and yes I live in the UK and yes I live in areas with a lot of Muslims and a lot of Asian Muslims and a lot of non Muslim Asians.

Asians is used to group peoples from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc..

*shakes head*

T

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Originally posted by Jameela

Keep your version of truth. You wont here me engage in anything that resembles an effort to peace and understanding again.

And there you have it, spoken like a true radical, if its not my way then you can forget peace and understanding...

Well at least you were honest in the end..Shame it took so long...

I don't think this is entirely fair. I think she genuinely did have positive intentions; and truthfully, all of us are driven by the form of imperialism with which we have been raised. Americans are no less guilty of that, than Muslims themselves.

Originally posted by Echtelion

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by mkgandhas
so?

Hasn't west been waging genocide on hundreds of millions and billions for centuries? thing is that the biggest barbarians are the most noisy ones about 'human rights' in zones where massive natural resources exist.

So you are trying to justify Muslims killing other Muslims in honour killings by arguing that the West has waged "genocide on hundreds of millions and billions for centuries".

I don't follow your logic.

Having said that, not all victims are Muslims

Teenager is 'first' white victim of honour killing

The mother of a teenager stabbed to death as she walked by a canal yesterday claimed her daughter was the victim of a brutal honour killing.

Laura Wilson, 17, was repeatedly knifed in the head by her Asian boyfriend Ashtiaq Ashgar on a secluded tow path after their relationship turned sour.

Her mother, who has never spoken publicly before, believes her daughter was murdered because she challenged the code of ethics which some ethnic communities still follow.

It is thought that Miss Wilson could be the first white victim of an honour killing in Britain.

The Telegraph

Did you spot the code word 'Asian' again?

Ashtiaq Ashgar is a Muslim, according to other reports.

The Salfordian

If murder and violence, especially towards women, is an issue in your area, why would it need to be labelled with the "Asian" tag on it.

THe other poster was right to point out the hypocrisy of the people who are reporting this kind of thing, using this to point the finger, once more, at "all these dangerous foreigners", while Britain has been one of the most aggressive, violent, murderous nation on the planet since the Medieval era. It conducted genocide on native populations of countries it invaded, after presenting itself as "friendly" invaders.

And what about all the rapes and murders and intimidation that the more traditional Caucasian British people have been doing in everyday life?

All what he/she was asking is just "who do you think YOU are to point the finger at other culture's violence, when your own is already deeply violent and repressive"? Are you that much of a pacifist hippie, or Gandhi?

edit on 26/3/12 by Echtelion because: (no reason given)

agreed
but she went off topic
and could not handle the response

Originally posted by torqpoc

Originally posted by ollncasino
The newspaper report uses the word 'Asian'. While in the USA this has a wider meaning, in the UK it is now a code word for 'Muslim', particularily Pakistani Muslims.

Hi OP,
Ok I don't agree with honour violence, but you're spreading disinformation.

In the UK Asian is NOT used as a code word for Muslim. Muslim is used as a word for Muslims. Never read or heard such rubbish, and yes I live in the UK and yes I live in areas with a lot of Muslims and a lot of Asian Muslims and a lot of non Muslim Asians.

Asians is used to group peoples from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc..

*shakes head*

T

your wrong
speaking from first hand experience
half of you have not a clue what your talking about
do you live in britain?
do you live in condenced areas where you feel out of place (midlands and london, birmingham is so feked up)
are you a white british person whom has sufferd racial abuse at numerous times by young Muslims
i can answer YES

Here's something else i found while browsing the net:

Muslim marriage guide to ‘belting the wife’ sparks outrage

AN Islamic marriage guide that advises Muslim men on how to beat and control their wives has sparked outrage.

The 160-page A Gift For Muslim Couple tells husbands they may beat wives "by hand or stick" or "pull her by the ears".

Women are told they must not leave the house without permission.

A wife should "beautify herself" for her man and "fulfil his desires".

And if she disobeys, a husband may "restrain her with strength or threaten her".

The book, based on the writings of an Islamic scholar, is on sale at online Islamic bookstores and eBay.

It is billed as "the perfect wedding gift".

But moderate Muslim academic Tarek Fatah said that anyone selling it should be prosecuted.

He warned: "It is inciting men to hit women."

Originally posted by torqpoc
In the UK Asian is NOT used as a code word for Muslim. Muslim is used as a word for Muslims. Never read or heard such rubbish, and yes I live in the UK and yes I live in areas with a lot of Muslims and a lot of Asian Muslims and a lot of non Muslim Asians.

You may live in the UK but you don't appear to read the newspapers or watch the TV.

Grooming of girls by Asian gangs fuelled by unhappy arranged marriages to cousins claims Muslim peer

Daily Mail

Classroom apartheid: Teachers who were afraid to discipline thuggish minority of Asian pupils for fear of being branded racist

Daily Mail

Politically correct social workers and police 'ignoring abuse' in Asian families

Daily Mail

White man bottled and teenager punched in second unprovoked Asian gang race hate attack in just days

Daily Mail

Minister: Asian communities have ignored sex grooming

Daily Mail

Teen girl 'acted as recruiter for Asian sex gang'

The Telegraph

If you want to stop South Asian immigrants bringing in their wives, then say so

The Telegraph

'Honour code' supported by young Asians, poll says

BBC

UK riots: Birmingham murder inquiry after car kills three British Asian men

The Guardian

Asian man cleared of racially abusing Nick Griffin

The Guardian

Firm denies racism as Asian man fakes CV

The Guardian

Police treat Asian man's murder as racist

The Guardian

I could on and on but I think people get the idea.

Originally posted by torqpoc
In the UK Asian is NOT used as a code word for Muslim. Muslim is used as a word for Muslims. Never read or heard such rubbish, and yes I live in the UK and yes I live in areas with a lot of Muslims and a lot of Asian Muslims and a lot of non Muslim Asians.

I see from your posts elsewhere that you are no friend of radical Muslims.

You are also French. Perhaps you have just never noticed how the TV news and newspapers almost never call someone Muslim, unless an MP or Iman.

Listen out for it. You will start to notice.

Cheers