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'Honour' violence is acceptable, say one in five young British Asians

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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:00 PM
reply to post by ollncasino

I have yet to see a thread made by a Muslim person attacking Christianity (I think thats what he meant) but many by Christians attacking Islam.
Unless you can find one.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:05 PM

Originally posted by boymonkey74
I have yet to see a thread made by a Muslim person attacking Christianity (I think thats what he meant) but many by Christians attacking Islam.

Funny. I don't see a lot of Christians or Muslims on these boards, never mind them attacking each other.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:06 PM
reply to post by boymonkey74

I see the typical smear job on getting truth out. A thread on a survey being turned into all the other issues so that people don't stay on topic, so it gets riled, and probably ends up being closed down.

That is a huge injustice on truth.

Now, on topic, what do you think about the fact that there is a group of (probably young) Islamic people who support honor killings?

And how do you think this should be dealt with?

Do you think we should stand by and watch more and more of these crimes occur and not discuss it?

What do you feel about these cases?
edit on 25-3-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:12 PM
reply to post by ollncasino

I watched a BBC report on Egypt yesterday, a repeat of a broadcast previously aired on the 16th of February; a scary fact in Egypt is that rape victims are forced to marry their rapists and women are circumcised, so that they are kept in line sexually, so that they do not stray as Western women do. Stupid remarks made amongst midwives (of all people), are things like "uncircumcised girls do not grow, they are not beautiful and tall". Women are left with no choice as their in-laws force their hands into the "circumcisions" of their young daughters. Although Dr Randa Fakhr El Din of the Cairo Coalition Against FGM, tried for decades to eradicate the practice, she has what she terms a law of pen and paper only, that was passed by the Mubarak government, to discourage the practice, but in real terms, it has not diminished at all.

The fact is whether it's The Stoning of Soraya M, or an eight year old blacking out from excruciating pain, her womanhood completely taken by men who can't keep their willies in their pants. Islam is incarceration of women, enslavement of women into such bondage that would make the average S&M'er dizzy with delight. Young women committing suicide to escape the marriages enforced on them by their families and their rapists. Nine year olds dying in child labour. Those in love, seeking freedom to be with the ones they lov,e are left dead like road-kill on the side of the road, murdered by their fathers and brothers.

I respect that this could sound like hate speak, but it isn't, it is fact. I hate religion; there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. I am a woman, and I have been spoken to by devout Muslim men, they do not look at me, as I can cause them to sin. If I am spoken to at all, I am spoken to a most peculiar way, as they glance past me. What I find so offensive and so funny is that so many of them are so utterly holy, praying and avoiding eye contact with women, yet they will interpret every word in their holy book to mean whatever will five them control. For years, utter years, I have wanted them exposed. When I found out what the Taliban did to women in Afghanistan in the 90's, that qualified doctors where digging in ditches in the blue garb of the prisoner, for weeds to eat as food, I knew that this was a sick bunch. I cannot get past this... maybe it's because I am a woman. But I don’t hate these people I loathe them.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:13 PM
reply to post by boymonkey74

Moslems attack Christians physically, they don't need threads, just a bunch of planes or perhaps a car bomb or two.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:16 PM
These crimes are just an indication of the general repression of women across the Muslim world.
I don’t know the gender of posters on ATS, but I guess those apologists who seem to think it’s either:

(a) OK
(b) Western propaganda to discredit Muslims and therefore a myth
(c) acceptable , because “it’s a different culture, innit”

... are not women.

You don’t need to be “Western” to treat women with respect.


posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:19 PM
It is indeed indicative of the current situation in Europe that MSM refers to people who commit these crimes as 'Asians' and not 'Muslims'...

I pity those unfortunate enough to be born into a Muslim family... in terms of humanity as a comparison to the world we live in today, to me, Muslim's are the ZX Spectrum of humanity... there was once a time when Muslim's were on the cutting edge of technology, however, like the ZX Spectrum, they are dated and only preferred by those who have yet to see a Laptop in action!

Panic not world... Islam will perish... God willing!

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:27 PM
reply to post by BrianOrion

I would like to see the entire world stepping out from under all the lies and control including in all the major religions, and from all forms of abuse, dictatorships, control, theocracies, poverty, starvation, slavery, hunger, sexual abuse, corruption, wars, environmental toxins, and basically just LIES, in our sciences and media. With disclosure for everything.

And every single person on this planet, including every single current Muslim, counts very very much, and needs to live in a progressed equal world.

I don't like any religions. We have had some good teachers, the only 2 of the most known and prominent were Christ and Buddha. The others, including Mohmmud, fought in wars or retaliated and that makes them low frequency.

Love never harms at all ever. It never punishes or retaliates. It is Good and only Good, and heals, loves, supports, and helps all in need.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:32 PM
reply to post by BrianOrion

your bang on
and i love my speccy
the screechy loading noise is music to me lol..

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:36 PM
So then in my culture it is honorable to protect women and children with lethal intent if neccessary and in most cases the law and 5 people standing next to you, are on my side....Who's Honor is better for you?

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:56 PM
reply to post by Unity_99

Imagine all the people... living life in peace....

It's not gonna happen, although I thoroughly share your sentiments, I have to say that until man just simply teaches and adheres to the EXCELLENCE that the corporate world dictates, there will be no peace. And even the corporates are corrupt, just talking the talk and not walking the walk. My personal belief is that God has given us a corridor of time to prove our dedication to Him, He has thrown many religions at us, including Islam, but we choose to be won over by sin instead of love, and for a long time, evil has conquered good. Soon this corridor of time comes to an end, and a new era of peace will emerge. I think the earth will be destroyed, as this is where evil lives, and I think Man shall be recreated elsewhere. If God is All Good; then this amount of evil has broken Him and left Him in the kind of fury we don't want to imagine. I sometimes read stories of little ones who have been mutilated and raped and think of how God receives those souls, and I wonder if those souls are able to break from the pain that has been inflicted on them, when they face God, perhaps they hate Him for allowing those things to happen, perhaps they can't comprehend Him at all as they can't recognise Love. There is evil in every religion, and if every religion was designed to bring us closer to Him, and instead it has steered us closer to hell, how do you think He views the religious. I do everything to distance myself from any religion, as they are all the same. I cannot however go to the extreme of denying the existance of God, as He is too prominent in everything. If DNA is a code of ones and zeros, then God is the Mathematician who takes delight in putting it all together.

Time is running out... we just have to see a pope keel over... then it's kinda a done deal

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 02:24 PM
reply to post by LaborofLove

Thats the not even close to the tests here.

Breaking up the issues a bit.

On the live equally and in peace:
No Matter What Your Politics, Why Is Anyone Living In Poverty?,

Fishing in the Phoenix Earthship

The Isms, are all roughly the same, any ideology we have or opinions of things, right/left, religions/philosophies.

Ideas or thoughts are actual things! They're the only thing that is blocking something that could be solved in a flash. If we started this tomorrow, building eco homes, land donations without any need for taxes or payments, and inhouse heritage seeds, fish nurseries, etc, self sufficient power usage and water dealt with, in these cases its all recycled.

Within a few months, all homelessness and starvation would be solve don this planet.

Not a big thing. Not a rocket scientist. Something very natural, and very basic, and just as easy as people waking up and asking for it.

That is part one in this response.

That is the basis of respect for others not forcing them into slavery or work, and not wishing to harm or control others.

The rest is also like this too, the control, Sharia and many religions and all governments, corporations are about Control.

So that video above is a basic look at what it takes to see everyone as free and not ours to control.

Next post will touch on a spiritual or metaphysical reality that most don't wake up to, but the energies are coming in now, and traps are being sprung behind the scenes, that have been put in place by the leaders and bloodlines for ages, to try and enslave souls.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 02:30 PM
As far as Love and Spiritual truths. We're here in a tough school to polish up the dark spots in our soul orbs.

But the school has been hijacked and its very much harder to do for people, they have a hard enough time even waking up and walking away from distortions and corruptions within their religions and they are heavily programmed to violence and wars, shallow consumerism, from birth to cradle.

The secret behind everything is to go within and weigh all things against the Tender Compassionate Love that is in us, so most would immediately see through all the religions, or at least after a short while.

We are all called to be Buddha the seeker, then Christ the one who found, to calm the inner ripples in our soul ponds and to deal with our inner faults and anger or demons, and overcome, flaws, addictions, anger, retaliation, shallow thinking, apathy, lust, greed, power, all of it. Striving to be calm and still and Love, we connect to our Souls and Source and shine a much bigger and greater light in and even if we were in a cave, not talking to anyone, our frequency cannot be overcome, our Greater Light is working the grids, the world is rising!

But this is possible even if we've never heard their names if we're true to the Love in us.

And Love is still operating in it!

If only a small handful are awake, this world is rising, and that is the case.

This world is truly rising and all the traps are truly sprung.

That is the work.

All the religious fights we're having are completely irrelevant. Its not about a religion its about control.

This is all about control.

The post above shows us how intrinsic our belief is to control others.

Not just Sharia. That is just a more exaggerated form of control.

In the US/Canada, UK, how many believe its OK to have homeless, or poor, and billions starving in the world, unless they are good little mcdonalds workers.

They put an ism before the reality of equality, that all are equal owners of the earth and resources and everything else is an extra unto that.

So to me, Sharia, all religons, all politics, are all various forms of control.

If we can get the first principal, how can fail to get the rest?
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 02:44 PM
When people stop controlling others, then will they understand how their own ideas have no right of dominance over any other.

And no that doesn't only apply to Sharia. Because the rights of all those being dominated within that must be upheld by a international body. It has to be uniform.

I see Sharia as the same thing as mass starvation and homelessness, and wars, its all Control and its evil.

We need to overcome evil with changes in our systems, by equalizing everyone.

By the same token we'd turn it all around the minute all people were seen as equal and equal owners of earth and resources to be respected very much, and not forced into anything.

This world is artificially done, by the leaders, like levels of abuse of people. Here in the west, its poverty and wars. And we're obedient to the inequality we call freedom. That is not what freedom is. Freedom is abundance for all.

There, its bullying and abuse of minorities, ie homosexuals, and women and children.

And yet its all about blinding us to equality and our power, our natural rights to everything, and the need to share with everyone.

And the source of Love, that is within us, not without us.
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:10 PM
lol @ the people crying ''racism'' in this thread................ Muslim isn't a race ya dopes.
Last I heard it was a religion...
And THAT is something people here in the UK frequently get confused over.
The average joe over here is so terrified of being called a racist, that they refuse to discuss the Muslim religion, or it's place in our society, they have been brainwashed by the BBC and other forms of media to view the Muslim religion as a a race, or use the word Asian, instead of Muslim.

The removal of people's ability to voice their concerns, without being called racists CAUSES friction between communities.
I see trouble brewing..

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:12 PM
reply to post by Deplume

This is less about Muslim and more about Honor Kilings and Sharia. And all of it is about lack of respect for people, control over others, and remaking god into the image of injustice, and violence.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:43 PM
reply to post by mkgandhas

Why are you so keen on deflecting the topic in every post you make. are you unable to discuss the OP if so then what are you doing here

This is a very serious issue and your pathetic trolling is not needed here. What has the west got to do with Muslims killing muslims ? answer that

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:25 PM
reply to post by Jameela

Jameela, my Muslim girlfriends and I all sobbed when we watched The Stoning of Soraya M. I understand your want to defend your religion, but there are traditions and then there's religion. The traditions vary from country to country. In some places, like where I live, there has never been an honour killing... there are 6 million Muslims here. Families disown their children, yes, as they often convert to Christianity. Women are controlled in many ways in every country on the globe, but most of us can rise above and defend our rights. Women in Islamic countries have no rights. If you aren't allowed to move around your country without a male escort, then you have no rights. If you have to marry your rapist... mutilate your girl-child or hide your face because your men are to uncontrolled to withhold their sexual pervasiveness... then what rights do you have? Your sexuality is what is controlled in your religion. Your womanhood is shunned. There is none so blind as those who refuse to see Jameela.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:57 PM

Originally posted by ollncasino

Funny. I don't see a lot of Christians or Muslims on these boards, never mind them attacking each other.

Really? All of your anti-gay threads attract the "christian" freaks like flies to xxxx.

I know of a few Muslim ATS members, but it seems like they tend to post less and are a bit quieter due to all the hate directed towards them in threads such as this.

posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:31 PM

Originally posted by ~Vixen~

Originally posted by ollncasino

Funny. I don't see a lot of Christians or Muslims on these boards, never mind them attacking each other.

Really? All of your anti-gay threads attract the "christian" freaks like flies to xxxx.

You are making the same mistake as our Muslim friend in assuming that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is doing so out of religious conviction.

Good luck with your drive to force people, by law, to treat a gay civil union as a marriage.

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