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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by GLaDOS
This is a cultural thing, not religious. Indian Sikhs also do this so please don't mix it in with the religion.


Cultural or not Muslims carry out 91% of all honour killings worldwide.

www.meforum.org...

What gives?




posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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see again my refutation to that

www.abovetopsecret.com...

going in circles does nothing. Face it all your arguments are false premise arguments.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Jameela
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see again my refutation to that

www.abovetopsecret.com...

going in circles does nothing. Face it all your arguments are false premise arguments.



False premise??
a bit like your religion
FALSE



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by davesmart

Originally posted by Jameela
reply to post by ollncasino
 


see again my refutation to that

www.abovetopsecret.com...

going in circles does nothing. Face it all your arguments are false premise arguments.



False premise??
a bit like your religion
FALSE


Again, this is your opinion. I might think your religion is false but I do not attack you based on what my opinions are.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Jameela
see again my refutation to that

www.abovetopsecret.com...

going in circles does nothing. Face it all your arguments are false premise arguments.



You didn't refute it. You merely pointed out that the research group were Jewish and apparently not pro-Islamic.

Are you suggesting that Jewish people are not allowed to research honour killings?

The report out-lines its own methodology


This study analyzes 172 incidents and 230 honor-killing victims. The information was obtained from the English-language media around the world with one exception. There were 100 victims murdered for honor in the West, including 33 in North America and 67 in Europe. There were 130 additional victims in the Muslim world. Most of the perpetrators were Muslims, as were their victims, and most of the victims were women.

www.meforum.org...



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino


There is a difference between pro-Islamic and unbiased dear. You have clearly chosen a completely biased source of information that agrees with your already held preconceived notions about Islam. Try for unbiased next time.

This is just a Islam hating thread with no basis in reality or objectivity and has been proved such. As I have refuted all your arguments I bid you good day.
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Jameela
There is a difference between pro-Islamic and unbiased dear. You have clearly chosen a completely biased source of information that agrees with your already held preconceived notions about Islam.


I suspect anything that throws Muslims in a bad light would be considered biased according to you.

Have a look at this page

en.wikipedia.org...

It is packed with Muslims carrying out honour killings.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Jameela
There is a difference between pro-Islamic and unbiased dear. You have clearly chosen a completely biased source of information that agrees with your already held preconceived notions about Islam.


I suspect anything that throws Muslims in a bad light would be considered biased according to you.

Have a look at this page

en.wikipedia.org...

It is packed with Muslims carrying out honour killings.




Wikopedia, a open source where anyone can write anything and there is no peer review. Good job and good day. All your arguments were thoroughly refuted.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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The point is, Asiain meant Muslim, the poll was about Muslims, the news paper muddied the waters, and it was specific about acts of violence as Honor, not the passages of faith that you quoted.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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These honor killings are being carried out in larger numbers, in our Western Nations and we need to deal with this.
It should have been dealt with by a UN standard of human rights and police, not war action, Serve and Protect citizens, long ago.

People coming into our nations, from cultures that mistreat women and children, should be undergoing ongoing counseling, and all unequal dress codes, burkas, and suspicious behavior should be investigated. In other words, they must appear to be equal and modernized.

I've just had enough of it all.

I don't believe individual nations have the right to have abuses against citizens, to operate under fascism, theocracies or religions. There should have always been teeth behind the UN declarations including teeth behind ending all social inustice, homelessness, starvation, and genocide.
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Here is a good link posted on another thread:

www.mypracticalphilosophy.com...

It breaks my heart.

But this is exactly what this survey was on. Exactly the topic!

I want this world freed.

I want every man, woman and child living in equality and abundance, free to think their own thoughts, develop themselves, choose their own lives, beliefs, make their own mistakes, and live in a really good way.
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Honour killings? just murder in my book.
How many young white brits have killed people because of gangs involvement or just because someone looked at them the wrong way and how many Husbands have killed their wifes etc?
Don't just try and blame Asian people on this I live in Bradford (just outside) and we are the only "white" family in our street and let me tell you some of the kindest people I have ever met are Asian (they make me the best currys ever too
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I work with Asian people and talk to them all the time about their Religion and honour killings and they hate it as much as anyone else here does.
In my experience I find your survey just plain wrong.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Has anyone stopped to ask themselves why Muslims do not make threads to spread hate against Christians?

I cannot find one thread of such a nature. We do not accuse Christianity for what that Christian soldier did in Afghanistan, we do not blame Christianity for the atrocities committed daily across the globe by professed Christians, why? because we have common sense!



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
Honour killings? just murder in my book.


Not just murder. Murder with the motive to restore family honour.


Originally posted by boymonkey74
Don't just try and blame Asian people on this


Who else are carrying out these honour killings then? The Easter bunny.


Originally posted by boymonkey74
How many young white brits have killed people because of gangs involvement or just because someone looked at them the wrong way and how many Husbands have killed their wifes etc?


How many people have been killed by gangs of 'Asians'? That's a different thread however.

But if you are interested

In the UK, five times as many white people are wounded in racist attacks as ethnic minorities.

A black person in Bradford (a UK city with a large black and Indian/Pakistani minority) is 3 times as likely, as an individual, to carry out a race attack while 'Asians' are 4 times as likely to carry out a race attack than a white person.

An ethnic minority person in the UK is 35 times as likely, as an individual, to wound someone in a racially motivated attack as a white person is

Most race attack victims `are white'
www.independent.co.uk...

Wilipedia - Bradford Demogrphics
en.wikipedia.org...

BBC - Racism and race crime redefined
news.bbc.co.uk...

Wikipedia - UK Demographics
en.wikipedia.org...

So a non white British person is 35 times as likely to wound someone in a racially motivated attack!



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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Well said, its because they are scared of anyone who believes differently from themselves and so they attack things they don't understand.
This thread is boardering on racism so Iam out.
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Abolish restrictions on Muslim marriage

I wonder if the survey asked them about them wishing our laws overturned so they were allowed to bring their child brides over.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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The topic of this thread is a survey, that showed that a percentage of Muslims believed in Honor Killings. There are groups wanting to overturn our laws on marriage and child abuse too.

Thankfully, one thing I do draw some support in, is it still seemed to be a minority, albeit a bigger minority than one would find in the normal population or amongst Buddhists and Christians, for sure.

In a mad max survival scenario, or if something happened, like a SHTF scenario, 1/4 could be a very voluntile aggressive mob that could harm alot of unarmed families and people. This is a huge group of potential criminals by Western standards.

You're bringing up issues relating to Islam in general, or the religion in general, probably the way the 3/4's view their religion, especially in the West, at least 3/4's do. And those points are very valid when looking at the unity between people, not the differences.

For I see the Love and Light in every Light here in this world, but want everyone growing in Love, Equality and Social Justice.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Jameela
Has anyone stopped to ask themselves why Muslims do not make threads to spread hate against Christians?


You jest. ATS is full of threads spreading hate against Christians.


Originally posted by Jameela
I cannot find one thread of such a nature.


What makes you assume that anyone on this thread is a Christian?


Originally posted by Jameela
We do not accuse Christianity for what that Christian soldier did in Afghanistan, we do not blame Christianity for the atrocities committed daily across the globe by professed Christians, why? because we have common sense!


Yet ATS is full of such threads.

Your source of confusion is in thinking that everyone sees everything in a Christian versus Muslim framework. Clearly you do though.

ATS is full of athiests having a go at Muslims and Christians.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
This thread is boardering on racism so Iam out.


No one has said anything racist.

The BBC commissions a survey that shows 20% of young Muslims believe in violence in pursuit of a family's honour and you cry racism.

Give it a break.





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