'Honour' violence is acceptable, say one in five young British Asians

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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:43 AM
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'Honour' violence is acceptable, say one in five young British 'Asians'



The hard-hitting BBC documentary reveals more than two thirds of Asians between the ages of 16 and 34 say communities should live according to 'honour' or 'izzat'.

Of 500 Asians interviewed for the Panorama poll, 75 per cent of young men and 63 per cent of young women said families should live according to 'honour'.

Research carried out for the show found nearly one in five – 18 per cent – said certain acts thought to shame families were justification for violence.

The possible reasons included disobeying a father, marrying someone unacceptable or wanting to end a marriage.

Honour-related violence can include acid attacks, abduction, mutilations, beatings, and death. But 94 per cent of those questioned said there was 'never a justification' for murder.

Daily Mail


The newspaper report uses the word 'Asian'. While in the USA this has a wider meaning, in the UK it is now a code word for 'Muslim', particularily Pakistani Muslims.

To identify honour killings with Muslims is apparently to be avoided even though they carry out 96% of honour killings in Europe.

www.meforum.org...

Luckily only 6% of those questioned felt that an honour killing was justified. That is still a large number of young people in real terms however.




posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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Muslims carry out 91% of honour killings world wide



Although Sikhs and Hindus do sometimes commit such murders, honor killings, both worldwide and in the West, are mainly Muslim-on-Muslim crimes.

• In this study, worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.

• In North America, most killers (84 percent) were Muslims, with only a few Sikhs and even fewer Hindus perpetrating honor killings.

• In Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent while Sikhs were a tiny percentage.

• In Muslim countries, obviously almost all the perpetrators were Muslims.

With only two exceptions, the victims were all members of the same religious group as their murderers.

www.meforum.org...


The vast majority of honour killings are carried out by Muslims killing other Muslims.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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so? Hasn't west been waging genocide on hundreds of millions and billions for centuries? thing is that the biggest barbarians are the most noisy ones about 'human rights' in zones where massive natural resources exist.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:10 AM
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hi op

cheers for posting
i really want to add to this thread but i wont..2day
reason being is it seems recently i post on anything to do with mussys
im glad panarama showed this because ive been saying this for years.
cheers op
dave
edit on 25-3-2012 by davesmart because: sorry spelling...hungover



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
so?

Hasn't west been waging genocide on hundreds of millions and billions for centuries? thing is that the biggest barbarians are the most noisy ones about 'human rights' in zones where massive natural resources exist.


So you are trying to justify Muslims killing other Muslims in honour killings by arguing that the West has waged "genocide on hundreds of millions and billions for centuries".

I don't follow your logic.

Having said that, not all victims are Muslims

Teenager is 'first' white victim of honour killing


The mother of a teenager stabbed to death as she walked by a canal yesterday claimed her daughter was the victim of a brutal honour killing.

Laura Wilson, 17, was repeatedly knifed in the head by her Asian boyfriend Ashtiaq Ashgar on a secluded tow path after their relationship turned sour.

Her mother, who has never spoken publicly before, believes her daughter was murdered because she challenged the code of ethics which some ethnic communities still follow.

It is thought that Miss Wilson could be the first white victim of an honour killing in Britain.

The Telegraph


Did you spot the code word 'Asian' again?

Ashtiaq Ashgar is a Muslim, according to other reports.

The Salfordian



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
so? Hasn't west been waging genocide on hundreds of millions and billions for centuries? thing is that the biggest barbarians are the most noisy ones about 'human rights' in zones where massive natural resources exist.


hi
i wasnt alive centuries ago neither was you
this reality is about now
not a bloody history lesson
cheers



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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miss wilson had sex with both the muzzies.Thats funny indeed.

Karma is a bitch you know .Comes to bite you in your rear.

Stung by Mr Hussein’s rejection of her and their child, Miss Wilson decided to confront the men’s families and tell them she had had sexual relations with both of them.
Detective Superintendent Mick Mason, now retired from South Yorkshire Police, believes this may have been the trigger for a plan to kill her.

edit on 25-3-2012 by mkgandhas because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:21 AM
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I wish people would stop calling these crimes "honour killings"....It's just plain old murder.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:22 AM
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Apparently, according to this report, honour killings are only carried for 'Being too Westernised' and 'Sexual Impropriety'.


Worldwide -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 58%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 42%

North America -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 91%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 9%

Europe -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 71%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 29%

Muslim World -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 43%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 57%

www.meforum.org...


What is interesting is the number of Muslims being honour killed in the West for being too Westernised.

Strange that being Westernised is thought of as being a stain on a family's honour when the family has chosen to live in the West in the first place.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:24 AM
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when in rome be like a roman.You have allowed the wahabi muzzies to lord you so they will with sharia law.
enjoy.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
when in rome be like a roman.You have allowed the wahabi muzzies to lord you so they will with sharia law.
enjoy.


Well, it is interesting that in the interests of political correctness, Muslims are referred to as 'Asians'. Do Japanese and Chinese people carry out honour killings?

I think not, so to lump them in with the Muslims, who carry out 91% of honour killings worldwide, is arguably rather distasteful.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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heres a little story that happend about 5 yrs ago

i was reading my partners lady mag (take a break or some other)

white british guy falls in love with a muslim woman
white guy is forced to convert to islam and have his foreskin snipped
foreskin had to be removed by one their own muslim practitioners
he said no meds were used, it got infected, he had to come back to england for med help
during this time his wife was in pakistan, divorced him which the parents forced her to do
weeks later she married a cousin and the british guy was getting grief here from her other bit of family that lives in the uk

i suppose im saying that sharia law can/maybe pass on to the unreligious brits
its still a cancer thats spreading very fast, i see it everyday
and not to mention this also


Now they'll have to tell us if we're eating halal: Ministers prepare to change law

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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so?


So it's ok to kill a woman just because she doesn't want to enter into an arranged marriage?
So it's ok to kill a woman just because she is attracted to someone of another faith or caste?
So it's ok to kill a woman just because she has been unfaithful?



Hasn't west been waging genocide on hundreds of millions and billions for centuries?


Exactly where is the relevance to the topic of this thread.
Classic deflection tactics.

Oh....and 'the east' has been just as guilty of committing genocide.
Do some research on the numerous genocides committed by the likes of Genghis Khan, Pol Pot, numerous Chinese Emperors and the atrocities committed by Mohammed himself and literally hundreds of people who have done the same in his name.
The list is quite a long one.
Think of some of the atrocities carried out in India, by Indians upon other Indians.



thing is that the biggest barbarians are the most noisy ones about 'human rights' in zones where massive natural resources exist.


I don't think Pakistan is known for it's over abundance of mineral wealth.
To be perfectly honest with you, as much as I despise honour killings there is nothing much I can do about going's on in Pakistan, India etc.other than express my disgust.
However, when this practice has been exported to my country and people living here express that in their opinion honour killings are justified then there is a damn sight more I can, and will, do about it!



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn

To be perfectly honest with you, as much as I despise honour killings there is nothing much I can do about going's on in Pakistan, India etc.other than express my disgust.

However, when this practice has been exported to my country and people living here express that in their opinion honour killings are justified then there is a damn sight more I can, and will, do about it!


How big a problem is it?



A study of police data by the Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organisation recorded over 2,800 honour crimes a year.

Nazir Afzal, lead prosecutor on the crimes for the Crown Prosecution Service, said: 'We don't know the true figure of honour killings. It's anything between 10 and 12 a year in this country.'

Daily Mail


So about 2,800 honour crimes and about a dozen murders in the UK per annum. Its barbaric.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 07:10 AM
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So it's ok to kill a woman just because she doesn't want to enter into an arranged marriage? So it's ok to kill a woman just because she is attracted to someone of another faith or caste? So it's ok to kill a woman just because she has been unfaithful?


depends on the local culture.When in rome be like a roman.Secondly you are allowing the wahabbis to climb on your back and transform your culture.Thats your problem not mine.

third,british empire was the most genocidal empire in history .Genghis khan was a choir boy with an estimated maximum toll of 120-150 million.British empire on the other hand mass murdered 1.8 billion in 200 years just in India. and we don't know how many hundreds of millions in Africa ,China etc. Spain mass murdered around 100 million natives of latin america. USA has mass murdered 100 million since its creation. Also hundreds of millions have been murdered by slavery ,starvation,war and genocide by the Western empires in the past few centuries.

Pakistan has one of the largest coal reserves in the world and also has an oil reserve of 5-10 billion if Adani co.,Chief minister Narendar Modi and Khoji exploration are right.


www.asiasentinel.com...
express.com.pk...



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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The honour killing thing isn't actually a part of Islam. Its not a 'Muslim' thing necessarily. Its an asian/arab cultural thing, a misogynistic cultural practice that pre-dates islam.

Its about power. Specifically male power over the reproductive activities of women. The idea that the reproductive faculty of a families women is the property of the families men. This could be sustained in small villages with few female opportunities. It can't be sustained in the west, and it shouldn't be.

It just so happens that the majority of those men with that cultural programming are also Muslim.

The practice is wrong and we are correct to want it stamped out but to blame the Islamic religion for it is to misdiagnose the root cause.




edit on 25-3-2012 by justwokeup because: typo



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Freeborn
 





So it's ok to kill a woman just because she doesn't want to enter into an arranged marriage? So it's ok to kill a woman just because she is attracted to someone of another faith or caste? So it's ok to kill a woman just because she has been unfaithful?


depends on the local culture.When in rome be like a roman.Secondly you are allowing the wahabbis to climb on your back and transform your culture.Thats your problem not mine.

third,british empire was the most genocidal empire in history .Genghis khan was a choir boy with an estimated maximum toll of 120-150 million.British empire on the other hand mass murdered 1.8 billion in 200 years just in India. and we don't know how many hundreds of millions in Africa ,China etc. Spain mass murdered around 100 million natives of latin america. USA has mass murdered 100 million since its creation. Also hundreds of millions have been murdered by slavery ,starvation,war and genocide by the Western empires in the past few centuries.

Pakistan has one of the largest coal reserves in the world and also has an oil reserve of 5-10 billion if Adani co.,Chief minister Narendar Modi and Khoji exploration are right.


www.asiasentinel.com...
express.com.pk...



hya
i honestly do understand where your coming from
but you are still an outsider
i live it every day..
what we need to do is stop dwelling on the past
we are in the now
i can twist things with history for history is written by the winners
and as churchill said
"history shall be kind to me, for i intend to write it"
forget about the past but at the same time learn from the mistakes
u nor i are responsible for slavery and murder, and i will not apologise for my ancestors mistakes
keep this thread on topic plz folks
peace
dave



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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depends on the local culture.When in rome be like a roman.


Exactly.....this is about rural Pakistani's / Indians etc exporting this vile practice into my country.
So they should abide by the laws and customs of this country.
Honour killing is classed as murder in the UK.

So I ask again, is it ok for these people to committ honour killings in my country?

A simple yes or no should suffice.



Secondly you are allowing the wahabbis to climb on your back and transform your culture.Thats your problem not mine.


No we aren't, don't believe all you read in MSM.
Yes, we have a problem with Muslim extremists in some areas of the UK but they are hardly transforming our culture....yet.
Personally I feel we have to start addressing the problem of creeping Islamification sooner rather than later.



third,british empire was the most genocidal empire in history .Genghis khan was a choir boy with an estimated maximum toll of 120-150 million.British empire on the other hand mass murdered 1.8 billion in 200 years just in India.


This has been disproved so many times here on ATS it is truly ridiculous that you are still posting this bigotted nonsense and lies, it really does you no favours whatsoever.



Pakistan has one of the largest coal reserves in the world and also has an oil reserve of 5-10 billion if Adani co.,Chief minister Narendar Modi and Khoji exploration are right


Coal is so 1900's....and to be honest, we've got loads of it ourselves here in 'the west'.

5-10 billion barrels?

Chicken feed mate...we've got our eyes on around about 60billion barrels!



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
British empire on the other hand mass murdered 1.8 billion in 200 years just in India.



Is it you that pops up on threads and regurgitates that nonsense?

There were not even 1.8 billion people on earth during the British Empire. Even in 1900 the world population was only about 1 billion.

You are claiming that the British killed everyone in the world, twice?



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 07:45 AM
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disgusting that you are denying the largest genocide of world.

divide 1.8/200 you get a figure of nine million deaths a year.the extermination of indians was a slow process as british wanted to keep india under control.

after independence ,india's population exploded.





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