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Reality Is An illusion Taking Place Inside Our Brains And Nowhere Else

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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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Reality versus imagination and illusion...Without the senses and the mind...The world does not exist for us > www.successconsciousness.com...
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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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Then I must be a glutton for punishment or my brain is damaged?

Quick someone re write the programming code PLEASE!!!!



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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"The negativeness of the universe. The hideous lonely emptiness of existence. Nothingness. The predicament of man forced to live in a barren, godless eternity like a tiny flame flickering in an immense void with nothing but waste, horror and degradation, forming a useless bleak straitjacket in a black absurd cosmos"...Woody Allen
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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I'm not arguing against the fact that at the microscopic level and smaller things are not as they appear to our senses. I am simply against your notion that things don't really exist outside of our brains. One massive failure of your argument is the denial of the existence of the object that reflects the light we see in the first place. You don't even understand you own theory so instead of responding with relevant explanations you reply with inane quotes. If you understand it then you can explain it.

If you can give a good argument for why a blind skydiver stops falling when they encounter the Earth I will discuss this further. If not then you are simply confused and babbling nonsense.


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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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Can you ever experience anything outside of your awareness?
You and what is in your awareness is all that exists as far as you 'know'. There may be a 'belief' that there is more but it is only a belief, it cannot be proven.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Can you ever experience anything outside of your awareness?

I'm not sure what your getting at. I am aware of many things that I have not experienced. I have experienced punching the headboard while sleeping but was not aware of it until the morning when i experienced sore and bloody knuckles.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
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Can you ever experience anything outside of your awareness?

I'm not sure what your getting at. I am aware of many things that I have not experienced. I have experienced punching the headboard while sleeping but was not aware of it until the morning when i experienced sore and bloody knuckles.





You experienced sore knuckles. And then made up a story about what 'might have' happened. You cannot be aware of something outside of your awareness. The mind tells us stories about what might have happened and there is an awareness of that story but the punching of the head board is just a story because it did not happened in your awareness.
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Not getting into all the details necessary for you to be aware of the logic involved in my deduction. Not playing word games with awareness and experience.

Reality exists outside of our brains. Do you deny that?



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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The 'brain' as such does not appear in reality unless you have opened a skull. The mind is just the appearance of thought.
All thought appears to you. So i wouldn't say that reality is only in your brain. Brain, mind, thought is an appearance. Everything seen and known is an appearance.
What is seeing and knowing the appearance is not an appearance and it is 'awareness'.
And nothing can appear outside of your awareness.
So without you being present nothing can appear.
What does a dream consist of? The dream cannot appear without a dreamer.
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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So i wouldn't say that reality is only in your brain.


We agree.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
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So i wouldn't say that reality is only in your brain.


We agree.


However, there is nothing outside of you.
There is no reality outside of you. You are reality seeing an illusion.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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If you're not real I must end this discussion now.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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You can see words on a screen, the illusion is real in essence but it is constantly changing. You though, are constant throughout every appearance. You are real and constant and the appearances appear and disappear to you constantly (they are transitory). You are the one constant throughout.
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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HA OPer!!!!

I have been trying to explain this same subject in another thread!! Folks will not understand, as I said in there either this concept is too hard to explain. Or it is un-explainable all-together!

HOWEVER! All those folks that think your crazy, well those can be silenced by showing that waaaay smarter people than both us and them have these ideas. People like Descartes "I think, therefore I am" and the Mayans!!

Here is some reading material if people are genuine about learning about this:


Originally posted by adigregorio
Here are some basic ideas regarding what I am trying to explain:

en.wikipedia.org...

Solipsism ( /ˈsɒlɨpsɪzəm/) is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. The term comes from the Latin solus (alone) and ipse (self). Solipsism as an epistemological position holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure. The external world and other minds cannot be known, and might not exist outside the mind.


en.wikipedia.org...

In philosophy, the brain in a vat is an element used in a variety of thought experiments intended to draw out certain features of our ideas of knowledge, reality, truth, mind, and meaning. It is drawn from the idea, common to many science fiction stories, that a mad scientist, machine or other entity might remove a person's brain from the body, suspend it in a vat of life-sustaining liquid, and connect its neurons by wires to a supercomputer which would provide it with electrical impulses identical to those the brain normally receives. According to such stories, the computer would then be simulating reality (including appropriate responses to the brain's own output) and the person with the "disembodied" brain would continue to have perfectly normal conscious experiences without these being related to objects or events in the real world.


en.wikipedia.org...

Consensus reality is an approach to answering the philosophical question "What is real?" It gives a practical answer: reality is either what exists, or what we can agree seems to exist.[citation needed]

The process has been (perhaps loosely and a bit imprecisely) characterised as "when enough people think something is true, it... takes on a life of its own".[citation needed] The term is usually used disparagingly as by implication it may mean little more than "what a group or culture chooses to believe", and may bear little or no relationship to any "true reality", and, indeed, challenges the notion of "true reality".


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The dream argument is the postulation that the act of dreaming provides preliminary evidence that the senses we trust to distinguish reality from illusion should not be fully trusted, and therefore any state that is dependent on our senses should at the very least be carefully examined and rigorously tested to determine whether it is in fact reality.


Some evidence that causes me to question my reality:

en.wikipedia.org...

A false awakening is a vivid and convincing dream about awakening from sleep, while the dreamer in reality continues to sleep. After a false awakening, subjects often dream they are performing daily morning rituals such as cooking, cleaning and eating. The experience is sometimes called a double dream, or a dream within a dream.


en.wikipedia.org...(illusion)

Maya or Māyā (Sanskrit माया māyāa[›]), in Indian religions, has multiple meanings, usually quoted as "illusion", centered on the fact that we do not experience the environment itself but rather a projection of it, created by us. Māyā is the principal deity that manifests, perpetuates and governs the illusion and dream of duality in the phenomenal Universe.


en.wikipedia.org...

Simulated reality is the skeptical hypothesis that reality could be simulated—perhaps by computer simulation—to a degree indistinguishable from "true" reality. It could contain conscious minds which may or may not be fully aware that they are living inside a simulation.


Of course this is just scratching the supposed surface...

(Posted in that other thread too!)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

That thread ended up not being what I thought it was though, and I think I may have hijacked it (un-intentionally). I start posting on page two I think...

Of course, my theory is much more "not real" than yours. I believe nothing exists, just because the only way I can experience "it" is with my brain. And the only thing that says I am experiencing it is the brain. So there is no way to prove that you are real, without listening to the brain. Which is what I am questioning in the first place!
(I explain this better, though never perfect, in that other thread. I am sure I will have to elaborate here as well...)



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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Nothing exists. A 'thing' is made of time and space and there is no time or space in reality. There is only ever what is 'appearing' presently. It appears to you and disappears. It appears to no thing (awareness), out of nowhere and disappears to nowhere. This placeless place of nowhere (now-here) is all there is.

Emptiness is form.
youtu.be...
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Nothing exists. A 'thing' is made of time and space and there is no time or space in reality. There is only ever what is 'appearing' presently. It appears to you and disappears. It appears to nothing, out of nowhere and disappears to nowhere. This placeless place of nowhere (now-here) is all there is.


Nothing does not exist, that is the whole point of nothing.

Time and Space ARE things, therefore using them to define "thing" doesn't work.

"Appearing" or "sight" is a construct of the brain, which I am questioning exists. Would you trust a habitual liar to tell the truth? Or would you prove the truth? What if you could only prove it through the habitual liar? Could you be sure it was true?

Furthermore, the concepts of nothing and nowhere are ALSO constructs of the brain. And are by proxy in question. If something is not real, then anything it creates is also "not real".

(Starts to get confusing, if you do not brush up on the concepts I presented in my first post)

Lastly, playing with words doesn't do much for me. English language has not been around long enough, let alone at the begining when something like "now-here" would have to have been hidden into our lexicon. And since both "now" and "here" do not exist...well...
edit on 5/7/2012 by adigregorio because: Changed a concepts to "constructs". I hate typing the same word too many times, and three is two too many to deal with. (2! Used them all!)



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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There are 'things' (images) in existence, things that are seen and known and then there is the 'seer' and 'knower' of existence, which is awareness. In this thread many are speaking about the 'brain' and that reality only exists in the brain, however, the brain/mind/thoughts are known by awareness. Awareness is 'not a thing' yet all 'things' have apparent existence because of the presence of awareness.
Really there is only ever what is appearing presently. Past and future are just thoughts. Where is the past and where is the future? Everything is appearing and disappearing in you. You are awareness. The character that you 'think' you are is just another appearance that appeared when you woke up this morning and will appear and disappear throughout the day along with all other appearances. All apearances appear in awareness not the brain. The brain is experienced as a thought appearing.
You are not an appearance. You are the seer and knower of ALL appearances.
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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'Now' and 'here' do not exist because nothing exists. Nothing is existing and it looks like this.
Emptiness is form.

youtu.be...
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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I am not going to attempt to discuss this with you, you do not seem to grasp the concepts I am trying to convey.

Your "awareness" is only in your brain, your brain processes the "feelings" you "feel". Hell the brain processes "you".

Lastly, I will do the respect of offering my rebuttle to your post. HOWEVER, I do not like saying the same thing over and over again, hence why I will not attept to discuss further.


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
There are 'things' (images) in existence, things that are seen and known and then there is the 'seer' and 'knower' of existence, which is awareness.

How do I see?
(My brain)

How do I know?
(My brain)

What does the 'seer' have?
(A brain)

What does the 'knower' have?
(A brain)

What is existance?
(A construct of a brain)

What is awareness?
(A construct of a brain*)

*Even if there is magic after this life, you use the brain to connect to this life. Your "soul" or whatever, can not be here without (a brain).


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
In this thread many are speaking about the 'brain' and that reality only exists in the brain, however, the brain/mind/thoughts are known by awareness. Awareness is 'not a thing' yet all 'things' have apparent existence because of the presence of awareness.

Again, awareness occurs in the brain. The very thing I question exists. IF the brain is not real, then anything it creates can NOT be real. Awareness would just be another construct, another lie told by the habitual liar.


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Really there is only ever what is appearing presently. Past and future are just thoughts. Where is the past and where is the future?

Again, there is no past. There is no future. There is no now. Where is the past/future? I'll tell you right after you tell me where now is.
(Don't forget what I said about definitions, in an above post.)


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Everything is appearing and disappearing in you. You are awareness. The character that you 'think' you are is just another appearance that appeared when you woke up this morning and will appear and disappear throughout the day along with all other appearances.

I am glad you brougt up characters. Are video game characters aware? Could they ever come here, to what is real? Does "Link" come here after he dies? Or does he go back to nothing, from whence he came? What about Movie characters? Does Batman "know"? Could Batman EVER comprehend what we are? What he is?


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
All apearances appear in awareness not the brain.

Huh? There is nothing outside of my body that sends signals to my body. My brain is the only thing that process. And, if he is a liar, well then none of this is real is it?


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
The brain is experienced as a thought appearing.

There is no thinker, only the thought. And if there is no thinker, then a thought can not be thunk.


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
You are the seer and knower of ALL appearances.

Both seeing and knowing require a brain to accomplish, at least "here". And since I question the brain, it's answers can not be trusted. (If you made it down here and are going to continue in the vain of "magic" and what-not. I will not be swayed, I have researched the mystical (and I understand what you are proposing) but it does not fit with my beliefs.

PS: Can't "prove" things like this either, so no fair saying "I'm wrong" or anything.

EDIT2 (To add)
Awareness is a lie told by the brain when you ask it what is "real".


edit on 5/7/2012 by adigregorio because: honor to respect, Jesus sorry for that! Don't know what I was thinking........

edit on 5/7/2012 by adigregorio because: I became aware of an idea!



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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'Now' is where you are, always. Everything happens in you and you are aware of all happenings.
Humans are obsessed with brains. The brain is the noise you are aware of 'inside' you, you can be aware of the thinking mind. You are here (sorry if the word here offends you) before the mind speaks and judges and measures. You (as awareness) are proir to all thought, thought appears to you.

The brain might well process you if you believe that is what you are, you will be the conditioned person. A personality made and shaped by society. You will have buttons that can be pressed that will always produce the same action time and time again
I, on the other hand, am the master of the mind. I do not let it be the boss of me. I am aware of the mind and the games it plays. The mind is given way too much trust and it knows it is confused.



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