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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by watchitburn
OP, I submit to you:

The Crusades(Many, many, many people killed by monotheistic believers.
Hitler, (as mentioned above)
Spanish Conquistadors (Annihilated the Incas)
Muslim fundamental extremists (Need I explain?)
The Catholic child abuse bonanza.

I think my work here is done.



But ONE insane guy makes it necessary to monitor every single person OP doesn't agree with.




posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:16 PM
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it is not in my interest to give you the fact, but it is in your better interest to uncover them on your own.

I understand you may feel the urge to defend a fellow atheist, but chose your actions wisely...



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:17 PM
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You'd first have to defend what you wrote sir.

You still have yet to reply to any of my questions regarding the OP or anybody elses. Makes me think you did not want to discuss this at all, you just wanted a bunch of your friends to say " Hey, yeah let's monitor and discriminate against Atheists!".

Otherwise you'd have at least attempted to refute the points made by myself or other members no?

~Tenth



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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I believe that anyone is capable of committing evil. Religious or not. Religious just isnt some get into heaven free card. Just because you believe in Jesus doesn't mean you get a free ride.

So if OP wants to monitor the Atheists for being evil, i propose that EVERYONE be monitored. Because anyone, including Christians can commit evil. (Hitler)

However, it is my opinion that no one should be monitored.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by chenjesu
 


it is not in my interest to give you the fact, but it is in your better interest to uncover them on your own.

I understand you may feel the urge to defend a fellow atheist, but chose your actions wisely...



I am not an Athiest.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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I did write "to defend our society from the like of Jeffrey Dahmer"

he is my example I would like to concentrate on.. a homosexual atheist.

ya gotta start somewhere in trying to figure it all out...



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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No, you can't take one persons actions and then apply the means to protect society from them to a whole group of people.

Again I'll ask, what if we decided to monitor all religious folks because of the many crimes committed by religious organizations and inviduals throughout history?

Would that be fair to treat all people of religious affiliation the same way, for the acts of a very few?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Some atheists are well known and open about their non-belief, while others are more noncommittal. Kevin Bacon’s name graces many lists of celebrity atheists. Given the Six Degrees of Separation game, we wondered what would the Six Degrees of Freethinkers look like?

Further, when we think of the concept of atheism, many of us think of it as a phenomenon that describes a sense of lacking, or the absence of something. But seldom do we stop and think about what atheists do have, or what they do bring to the table as a group of self-described non-believers.With that in mind and whether you believe or not, consider the following list of 20 things we bet you didn’t know about atheists and atheism:

There are roughly 4.9 million declared atheists in the United States.

A 2010 survey found that those identifying as atheists or agnostics are on average more knowledgeable about religion than followers of major faiths.

A recent Washington Post article states that atheists are likely to outnumber Christians in England in 20 years.

Sociologist Phil Zuckerman analyzed previous social science research on secularity and non-belief and concluded that societal well-being is positively correlated with irreligion. His atheism-related findings state that compared to religious people, “atheists and secular people” are less nationalistic, prejudiced, anti-semetic, racist, dogmatic, ethnocentric, close-minded and authoritarian.

Zuckerman also found that in the US, in states with the highest percentages of atheists, the murder rate is lower than average; and that conversely, in the most religious US states, the murder rate is higher than average.

It’s not so much that atheists are adamant in their disbelief in a god. Instead, they believe that the burden of proof lies not on them to disprove the existence of God, but on the theist to provide a solid rationale for theism.

Although in Western culture atheists are often not religious in any way, many of them consider themselves spiritual.

Though it may sound like an oxymoron, Jewish atheism is practiced by atheists who are ethnically, or culturally, Jewish. Because Judaism encompasses ethnic and religious elements, the term doesn’t really imply any contradiction. Because Jewish law is based on matrilineal decent, even the most Orthodox Jewish authority would have to accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish.

Atheism figures in many religious and spiritual beliefs within Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Neopagan movements, such as Wicca.

In the 20th century, atheistic thought found recognition in a wide variety of other philosophies, such as existentialism, anarchism, Marxism, and feminism, and the general scientific rationalist movement, to name a few.

The prevailing myth is that atheists hate God; however, one cannot hate something that he/she does not believe exists.

According to atheism educator Austin Cline, a person who truly enjoys and appreciates his or her life will take pleasure in it and enjoy it, regardless of whether any sort of afterlife exists.

New Atheism is the name given to a movement among some early-21st-century atheist writers who advocated that “religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises.”

Although the term atheism originated in 16th-century France, ideas that would be recognized today as atheistic are documented from the Vedic period in India and the classical antiquity.

One common myth about atheists is that “there are no atheists in foxholes.” The Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers works to assist non-believers in the U.S. Army and promote awareness of atheists in foxholes. The idea that life-threatening circumstances magically convert atheists to theists is likely wishful thinking on the part of religious believers who have a hard time thinking of anything outside the context of their own religion.

The Oxford English dictionary defines atheism as the disbelief or denial of existence of a god.

The only religious group that’s growing in all 50 American states is “No Affiliation,” according to researchers, Daniel M. Abrams, Haley A. Yaple and Richard J. Wiener; and census data from 85 regions worldwide, show the same trend away from identification with faith. The Netherlands is already 40 % irreligious, Australia and the Czech Republic are both 60 % God-free.

The group American Atheists has erected controversial billboards—in Hebrew in Brooklyn, NY, and in Arabic in Paterson, NJ—that say: God “You know it’s a myth… and you have a choice.”

Atheist feminism is a movement that advocates the equality of the sexes. Atheist feminists believe that the majority of the religions are sexist and oppressive to women.

On March 24, 2012, “The Reason Rally” will take place on the National Mall in Washington D.C.. The Rally is a movement-wide event sponsored by the country’s major secular organizations, with the goal of unifying, energizing, and emboldening secular people nationwide and dispelling the taboos about secularism that prevail today.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Why is it that so many Christians feel like they are being threatened by Atheism? Remember Christianity is still the most popular religion (even if you count Atheism as a religion)


Cant we all live in peace?

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edit on 24-3-2012 by chenjesu because: Did not mean to reply to anyone



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Source for the above post www.mamiverse.com...



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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am I playing nice now???



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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Wow -- either a monstrous troll or serious psychotic -- it is hard to see any shade of gray.

It is an interesting premise when party A wants to totally sanction party B because party A believes that party B is acting just like party A.

Yeah I'm going with party A being psychotic.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
am I playing nice now???


Seriously OP, what is the point of this thread? You make a claim, refuse to defend it or even take the conversation anywhere by talking about why you believe this way.

Is this thread just meant to waste time?
Because you're doing me a favor, the misses comes home soon and your helping me kill time



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by tothetenthpower
 


I did write "to defend our society from the like of Jeffrey Dahmer"

he is my example I would like to concentrate on.. a homosexual atheist.

ya gotta start somewhere in trying to figure it all out...


How 'bout we start with "The Man in the Mirror?"


You know, "He who is without sin cast the first stone", and all?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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I don't think so

I am pulling them out of the woodwork for ya's though...



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:34 PM
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crap like

"I am my own God... I am 100% responsible for my own actions"


scares the heck outta me... I don't know about the rest of ya'll but I've heard this before on weird shows like unsolved mysteries and cold cases!



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
crap like

"I am my own God... I am 100% responsible for my own actions"


scares the heck outta me... I don't know about the rest of ya'll but I've heard this before on weird shows like unsolved mysteries and cold cases!


What scares me more is when people fight wars thinking its for God.
God wouldn't want war, it's a silly useless waste of life, energy and resources (my opinion)

War is waged by men in charge, but when they say God wills it people follow
(Crusades)
(Islamic extremists terrorists)



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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haven't you heard? it's a battle of words...



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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The op is an absolutely disgusting post.

I've got news for the OP, if he thinks that only Christians be good, that's not true.

Jesus says there is no one good, save God.

Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

This is exactly the kind of demonization that I mean that Christians do and one of the reasons why there is a lot of hostility towards them.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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I guess the Christians could use it as a preemptive strike of sorts? I guess luckily for the serial killers the church is not running the state...



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