Does anyone know how much radiation has contaminated the Pacific?, page 1


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reply posted on 24-3-2012 @ 07:31 PM by OccamAssassin
reply to post by wantsome



Most of the leaked radioactive matter entering the pacific is only irradiated water. Irradiated water will have a half life of a few hours to a few weeks.

Thankfully, we don't have much to worry about there.

We won't know how much of the fuel material has made it out into the ocean and probably won't know until the reactor chambers are empty.

Once an audit can be done on the remaining fuel, we can begin to calculate how much has breached the foundations of the reactors and which way it is heading.


reply posted on 24-3-2012 @ 07:45 PM by jadedANDcynical
reply to post by wantsome



I don't know if anyone would be able to give a reasonably accurate estimate on the amount radiation that has been leaked into the Pacific.

But there are a few threads around that deal with just that:

Concentration of Radioactive Material in Pacific Ocean Up A 1000 times Since Fukushima

China Finds 100,000 SQ Miles of Radiation In Pacific Ocean 300 Times Higher Than Normal

The Raw Truth about Fukushima, what the Media Doesn't want You to Know!!

Not to mention the references in the mega thread, if you can find them.

I've stopped eating tuna as I can't find any from the Atlantic...


reply posted on 24-3-2012 @ 07:48 PM by Iwinder
My non scientific opinion is that there is lots of hot stuff in the Pacific, Case in point all of the float-ism that is at the USA/Canadian coast right now.

This stuff has to be heavily laden with wastes.
Just yesterday they discovered a Japanese fishing trawler off of the coast of BC Canada.
Link
www.cnn.com...

I am not saying this ship is hot but what is coming in the same currents either below or above the surface..
This reminds me of when the Gulf oil thing started, after the third day we went out and bought 14 frozen shrimp rings and sadly we ate them all and will not buy any more here....

To the OP don't take any chances if in doubt break out the peanut butter and jam.

Good thread and I will follow it for a more informative post than mine here.
S&F


reply posted on 24-3-2012 @ 08:28 PM by Iwinder
reply to post by wantsome


Well we live on the junction of the Saint Clair river and lake Huron, and we do a lot of local fish here especially the Pickerel or as the US calls it Walleye.
Link below
www.purdyfisheries.com...

So we share your concerns and your love of fish.
I am hurting now for a plate of smoke Pickerel :-)
And a tall boy of Molson Canadian to wash it down.
Regards, Iwinder
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reply posted on 24-3-2012 @ 08:34 PM by bluemirage5
reply to post by wantsome



I believe contamination is alot worse than authorities are letting on; I too love my seafood/fish but only buying from the deep cold Southern Seas of the Pacific. Blue and Yellow fin tuna is a big no no so don't touch it.


reply posted on 24-3-2012 @ 08:51 PM by wantsome
reply to post by Iwinder

Yeah I have a freezer full of walleye and pike right now. Ever since the salmon have dried up in Lake Huron I've had to buy it. I don't like having to drive to Lake Michigan to fish for them. With the price of gas It's cheaper to buy the stuff. Yeah I know where Purdy is I've fished right across from them at Pine Grove park in Port Huron. I do a lot of fishing on the St Clair River whippin and jigging.
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reply posted on 24-3-2012 @ 10:03 PM by Buddha1098
reply to post by wantsome



discovermagazine.com...\

I just read this article, wanted to pass it on if you're eating a lot of fish



reply posted on 25-3-2012 @ 06:40 AM by Human0815
You cant test Fish with a Geiger-Counter or he must be so polluted
that he is glowing already , you need a Spectrograph

There are at least 3 long-running and well known Estimations
of the Release of Radioactive-particles in to the Ocean,
you can find them via Internet.

Fish is relative safe, Mercury is a bigger Problem than Radiation!

Here is a summary of the testing program drawn from various media reports
and interviews with Hokkaido government officials,
who also supplied some supporting charts:

SCOPE OF ONGOING TESTING PROGRAM AND RESULTS --

Over 85 different types of fish have been tested since March 24th (up to May 17th)
-- Testing has been conducted by 8 separate organizations including fisheries research institutes, semi-government organizations, citizen’s groups and a university.

-- 287 tests have been conducted so far in Tokyo (3 tests), Kanagawa (19 tests),
Chiba (46 tests), Ibaraki (152 tests), Miyagi (6 tests),
Fukushima (39 tests), Hokkaido (3), other (14).

-- One type of fish “Konago” (sand lance) has tested negatively since April 4th
in several areas including Ibaraki and Fukushima.
-- Since May 6th, the testing program has been conducted within a 300km radius from the Fukushima plant.
-- At least 14 tests have also been conducted in Hokkaido with no negative results.
-- The testing program includes weekly testing for common migratory fish ("Kaiyugyou" 回遊魚)
such as Saba (Pacific Mackeral), Iwashi (Sardines), Katsuo (Bonito), Tara (Cod) and Salmon.
(original data in Japanese available on request)

The wide scope of the testing -- both in terms of types of fish and the different organizations conducting the testing -- and finally the results, should put most people's minds at ease a little. But the case of the Konago is a concern. It is fished commercially and while a ban remains on fishing, fishermen will suffer.

It is also food for larger migratory fish, such as Saba (Pacific Mackeral). However no traces have been found in the Saba (Pacific Mackeral) in tests to date and levels of Caesium and Iodine have declined significantly in subsequent tests of Konago.

One concern in the media is that the fishermen (or Fishing Cooperatives) in each Prefecture -- not a higher authority -- select which fish to test.

Yet fishermen are precisely the people who suffer most from rumor and fear so you would think they were not the most reliable people to make the decision. However the fact that 85 different types of fish have been selected for testing shows that fishermen are committed to the testing program. The reality is that if the fisherman can't prove that his catch is safe, its not even going to make it to market.


www.ezoseafoods.com...


reply posted on 25-3-2012 @ 06:47 AM by Human0815

Water releases



On 21 April, TEPCO estimated that 520 tons of radioactive water leaked into the sea before leaks in a pit in unit 2 were plugged, releasing 4,700 TBq of total water release (calculated by simple sum, which is inconsistent with the IAEA methodology for mixed nuclide releases[62]) (20,000 times facility's annual limit).[62][81] TEPCO's detailed estimates were 2,800 TBq of I-131, 940 TBq of Cs-134, 940 TBq of Cs-137.[62]

Another 300,000 tons of relatively less radioactive water had already been reported to have leaked or purposefully pumped into the sea to free room for storage of highly radioactively contaminated water.[82] TEPCO had attempted to contain contaminated water in the harbor near the plant by installing "curtains" to prevent outflow, but now believes this effort was unsuccessful.[82]

According to a report published in October 2011 by the French Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety, between 21 March and mid-July around 2.7 × 1016 Bq of caesium-137 (about 8.4 kg) entered the ocean, about 82 percent having flowed into the sea before 8 April.[83]

This emission of radioactivity into the sea represents the most important individual emission of artificial radioactivity into the sea ever observed. However, the Fukushima coast has one of the world's strongest currents and these transported the contaminated waters far into the Pacific Ocean, thus causing a high dispersion of the radioactive elements.

The results of measurements of both the seawater and the coastal sediments lead to suppose that the consequences of the accident, for what concerns radioactivity, will be minor for marine life as of autumn 2011 (weak concentration of radioactivity in the water and limited accumulation in sediments).

On the other hand, significant pollution of sea water along the coast near the nuclear plan might persist, because of the continuing arrival of radioactive material transported towards the sea by surface water running over contaminated soil. Further, some coastal areas might have less favorable dilution or sedimentation characteristics than those observed so far.

Finally, the possible presence of other persistent radioactive substances, such as strontium-90 or plutonium, has not been sufficiently studied. Recent measurements show persistent contamination of some marine species (mostly fish) caught along the coast of Fukushima district. Organisms that filter water and fish at the top of the food chain are, over time, the most sensitive to caesium pollution. It is thus justified to maintain surveillance of marine life that is fished in the coastal waters off Fukushima.

en.wikipedia.org...


reply posted on 25-3-2012 @ 08:26 AM by MichiganSwampBuck
Originally posted by wantsome
reply to
post by Iwinder

Yeah I have a freezer full of walleye and pike right now. Ever since the salmon have dried up in Lake Huron I've had to buy it. I don't like having to drive to Lake Michigan to fish for them. With the price of gas It's cheaper to buy the stuff. Yeah I know where Purdy is I've fished right across from them at Pine Grove park in Port Huron. I do a lot of fishing on the St Clair River whippin and jigging.
edit on 24-3-2012 by wantsome because: (no reason given)


No salmon in Lake Huron? I remember the line of fishermen in Port Austin when the salmon was running and wondered how any fish could actually get through that gauntlet. Anyway I was wondering just yesterday what ocean fish was safe any more. Between Fukushima and the Gulf, I think I just have to go fishing around here a lot more.


reply posted on 25-3-2012 @ 09:41 AM by wantsome
Originally posted by MichiganSwampBuck
Originally posted by wantsome
reply to
post by Iwinder

Yeah I have a freezer full of walleye and pike right now. Ever since the salmon have dried up in Lake Huron I've had to buy it. I don't like having to drive to Lake Michigan to fish for them. With the price of gas It's cheaper to buy the stuff. Yeah I know where Purdy is I've fished right across from them at Pine Grove park in Port Huron. I do a lot of fishing on the St Clair River whippin and jigging.
edit on 24-3-2012 by wantsome because: (no reason given)


No salmon in Lake Huron? I remember the line of fishermen in Port Austin when the salmon was running and wondered how any fish could actually get through that gauntlet. Anyway I was wondering just yesterday what ocean fish was safe any more. Between Fukushima and the Gulf, I think I just have to go fishing around here a lot more.
Yeah parts of Lake Huron are sterile. Salmon in Lake Huron are almost extint. The Quagga and Zebra mussles have sucked all of nutriance out of the lake leaving nothing for the bait fish to eat. It's also effected the walleye population in Lake St Clair. Theres still walleye but not the numbers there once were. Saginaw bay is still going strong but the rest of the lake is suffering.
edit on 25-3-2012 by wantsome because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 26-3-2012 @ 12:21 PM by jadedANDcynical
reply to post by Liberal1984



Since almost all, Fukushima radiation, sea leaks has been water, there is no issue, providing the water didn’t contain that many particles.


This post on page 963 of the megathread may be of interest, especially in light of the following paper:

Uranyl peroxide enhanced nuclear fuel corrosion in seawater

The Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear accident brought together compromised irradiated fuel and large amounts of seawater in a high radiation field. Based on newly acquired thermochemical data for a series of uranyl peroxide compounds containing charge-balancing alkali cations, here we show that nanoscale cage clusters containing as many as 60 uranyl ions, bonded through peroxide and hydroxide bridges, are likely to form in solution or as precipitates under such conditions. These species will enhance the corrosion of the damaged fuel and, being thermodynamically stable and kinetically persistent in the absence of peroxide, they can potentially transport uranium over long distances.

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