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The US Desperately Needs An East-West Pipeline

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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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The US Desperately Needs An East-West Pipeline


Business Insider ran an article last week about U.S. oil refineries.

The point is that the East Coast and West Coast refineries
Don't have enough direct access to Domestic and Canadian crude oil,
and therefore are forced to rely on more expensive imported oil !!

Read the story, it kind of makes some sense.

Unless of course, this was all in the master plan ?


Mar. 14, 2012, 3:51 PM -- Business Insider

In the debate over rising gas prices, one largely overlooked issue is the lack of US oil pipeline distribution to the East Coast, where refineries that must import higher priced Brent crude are being shut down.

America has more than enough cheap domestic oil, thanks to the North Dakota Bakken and the Canadian oilsands. And it doesn’t face a refinery crisis in terms of capacity - after all, even though the US hasn’t built a new refinery since 1976, oil refining has actually increased by 2 million bopd to 17.7 million bopd since 1985 (and US refinery demand has been steady at 14.8 million bopd since 2005).

Instead, the real problem is that coastal refineries can't source the cheaper North American crude. The Brent oil price fluctuates widely with geopolitical news. A stable, nationwide refinery system—well connected with pipelines—is one area where the US can help control price surges in local markets. Few things affect local gas prices like the shutting down of an oil refinery - and right now, the East Coast is at risk of losing three....

Oil Pipes ?


The story has some nice maps too




posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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No, the U.S. needs to get OFF of oil and onto the MANY alternative sources of energy whose devices and patents have been BOUGHT OUT by big oil.

Hidden in the archives of these GREEDY CORRUPT oil tycoons is our ANSWERS. Hidden from the world.

The oil tycoons have no interest in buying out the alternative devices and plans of those that dont work so well. Thats why many folks are discouraged by what is out there and believe that oil is the way. They dont buy out the crap that we hear of and are trying to make work because they know its garbage.

Their archives contain our solutions. And the solution is FAR better than oil which is the reason for so much of the trouble in the world.
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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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The USA is not only trying to corner the world by grabbing all the oil but are doing all they can to push prices up.

Anything to help push oil prices down will result in an all out war by TPTB.

I'm still trying to workout if Iran is in on the deal to play the markets and fool the people but i won't hold my breath but just look at who profits from high oil prices and you do start to question things and yes i include Russia if that is the case.

Most likly wrong on this theory but anything goes when it comes to oil



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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You mean cars that have batteries that recharge
by wind turbines built in to the front of the cars,
and have solar panels too ?

A double bank battery would run the car --
one bank in use while the other recharges itself ?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by HangTheTraitors
 


You mean cars that have batteries that recharge
by wind turbines built in to the front of the cars,
and have solar panels too ?

A double bank battery would run the car --
one bank in use while the other recharges itself ?




More like hemp oil, which is what Rudolph Diesel used to invent the diesel engine. It burns cleaner and more efficiently than petroleum. Not to mention it's a renewable resource.

Let's not even go into the other things hemp can do better than anything else comparable.

/TOA



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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This is amute point ... the US exports much oil and gas .. it doesn't matter if we "drill baby drill" since the oil goes on the open market and to China, Japan ...

This is just pathetic that most AMerican don't realize that we export much of our oil.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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I agree about the East Coast refineries. I'm not sure those are there for anything but imports are they?

The West Coast is a whole different matter and a bit of a pet peeve. The California refineries were NOT made for imports and they shouldn't be handling a majority of that now. They were made for the Oil production in places like Los Angeles County....Kern County....Fresno County..among others and the literal SEA of Oil sitting off the California shore.

If someone would stuff the more radical of the Enviro movement into a closet for a few years, I'll bet reasonable measures could be found and agreed upon to reopen those wells and get new ones started for the resources that California has sitting within it's own borders. They're among the MOST expensive in the nation for gas when their range of natural resources in this department should see them with some of the very cheapest. Go figure.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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the U.S. needs to build 5 refinerys itself, and buy oil for domestic petro and diesel production, and quit relying on private oil monopolies that are hurting our economic growth for their own massive profit making.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
The US Desperately Needs An East-West Pipeline


Business Insider ran an article last week about U.S. oil refineries.

The point is that the East Coast and West Coast refineries
Don't have enough direct access to Domestic and Canadian crude oil,


America has more than enough cheap domestic oil, thanks to the North Dakota Bakken and the Canadian oilsands. And it doesn’t face a refinery crisis in terms of capacity


The United States Geological Survey estimates that there is about 4.3 billion barrels of crude in the Brakken which will probably last for 1 year of consumption in the United States (assuming domestic producers are patriotic enough to sell the vast majority of production to domestic consumers, which is not the case for private businesses)
www.usgs.gov...

As for the Canadian tar sans? The hidden oil over there (which is not in the same manner as the typical crude oil we drill) is expected to take a considerable more amount of energy and cost to produce to the same capacity as crude typically is. The jury is still out as to just how effectively and effeciently crude can be produced from that area. Let's not forget it as well, we're not talking about American oil reserves, we're talking about Canadian oil reserves, most of which will be produced by Canadian oil producers who are not obligated to cater solely to American consumers.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by HangTheTraitors
 


You mean cars that have batteries that recharge
by wind turbines built in to the front of the cars,
and have solar panels too ?

A double bank battery would run the car --
one bank in use while the other recharges itself ?


Do you think you can just drill your way out of this issue? Fact is, there are no viable crude reserves left on American soil, only sizable pockets that will last America afew years before they deplete. So long as we continue to focus on pulling the red carpet out for oil oligarchs, we will continue to be at the mercy of them and their decisions. It's not about whether you like the sound or look of alternative energies.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by HangTheTraitors
 


You mean cars that have batteries that recharge
by wind turbines built in to the front of the cars,
and have solar panels too ?

A double bank battery would run the car --
one bank in use while the other recharges itself ?


Do you think you can just drill your way out of this issue? Fact is, there are no viable crude reserves left on American soil, only sizable pockets that will last America afew years before they deplete. So long as we continue to focus on pulling the red carpet out for oil oligarchs, we will continue to be at the mercy of them and their decisions. It's not about whether you like the sound or look of alternative energies.


How many years do we have ?

There are different opinions.


ETA: www.abovetopsecret.com...





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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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What you referenced to me are the shale oil reserves hidden in the rockies. There is an estimated 1.2 trillion barrels of shale hidden below the rockies as calculated by the USG.

Shale oil is not crude oil, shale oil is an alternative non-renewable energy to crude. I posted a thread on this explaining:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It takes a considerable amount of energy and cost to convert shale oil toward a usable energy. Oil companies have already conducted research for a more efficient way to convert shale oil in the rockies since the late 70's, no advances have been made. I support more investment into the rockies and the hidden shales there, but to claim that the reserves there demonstrates there is no threat of peak oil is contradictory.



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