300,000 oppose gay marriage in biggest petition since election

reply to post by ollncasino


I'm not a religious peson myself, I think it's all a load of nonsense and why gay people would want to belong to a group that has such a negative view of their lifestyle is slightly beyond me. However, I am sure there are gay people who are very religious and want to have their love recognised, by a supposedly all loving god.

reply to post by ollncasino

A gay civil union is different from a hetrosexual marriage.

That is why they have different names.

If they are 'diffrent' then surely they don't have the same rights.
Why shouldn't they have the same rights?

Exactly how are they 'different'?
You have said that quite a lot but haven't exactly explained how they are 'different'.

Originally posted by Freeborn
You consistently refuse to answer any of the questions I've asked of you.

If civil unions and marriage are exactly the same why isn't a civil union called marriage or vice versa?

They give the same civil rights. They don't describe the same thing. A civil union describes gay + gay.

Originally posted by Freeborn
And please tell me exactly what the problem is and who would get hurt if gay people were allowed to be married?

I object to gays calling a civil union a marriage.

Marriage means a union between a man and a women. Why not call a dog a cat?

Originally posted by Freeborn
If gay people were wanting to be treat differently to heterosexuals I would be the first one to voice my opposition, but they just want to be treat the same and have the same rights.

They do have the same rights. They have a civil union.

Originally posted by Freeborn
If they are 'diffrent' then surely they don't have the same rights.
Why shouldn't they have the same rights?

Exactly how are they 'different'?
You have said that quite a lot but haven't exactly explained how they are 'different'.

They do have the same rights, however one describe a legal union between two gays and the other describes the legal union between a man and a women.

reply to post by ollncasino

I object to gays calling a civil union a marriage.

Why?
Does it offend you in any way?
Does it harm you in any way?

They do have the same rights, however one describe a legal union between two gays and the other describes the legal union between a man and a women.

So, a civil union is exactly the same as a marriage just a different name?
All a bit trivial really isn't it?

That is of course unless there is some other reason for your dislike and why you take offense.

How does same sex marriage affect me? I just went and looked at a couple websites that supposedly tell you how it does.

Here:
americanpowerblog.blogspot.com...

Here:
technorati.com...

And here:
theiowarepublican.com...

There is the effect of gays overstepping their boundaries’. In the third link, they are forcing other people to side step their beliefs in order to get what they want. That is unjust. A few people got fired or sued because they refused services to the gay population because it was against their personal beliefs/faiths. Now that is concerning.

What do you think, if gay marriage forces others to act against their beliefs, as the article says, than is it actually harmless, or is it harmful?

One article I pulled up listed some fear mongering info, one positive, one negative. The first three that popped up from Google is what I linked.

Blend57

These trolling threads are getting as old as any on ATS. 3 stars and 4 flags are proof of that.

Originally posted by Freeborn
So, a civil union is exactly the same as a marriage just a different name?
All a bit trivial really isn't it?

That is of course unless there is some other reason for your dislike and why you take offense.

Not at all. I am like the vast majortiy of people who are somewhat indifferent to people being gay.

On the other hand, I do object to gay unions being called marriages. The tradtional meaning of the word marriage is that of a legal union between a man and a women.

Why should that meaning be diluted by the inclusion of gay unions? Why should a hetrosexual union between a man and a women be viewed as being the same as a homosexual union between two men?

It isn't, as a matter of fact.

Why not call gay unions somenting else? Like civil unions? If it is all so trivial, why are gay pressure groups pushing so hard?

Originally posted by Cosmic911
These trolling threads are getting as old as any on ATS. 3 stars and 4 flags are proof of that.

Yet a petition of 300,000 opposed to gay marriage would tend to disagree with you, while its gay opposition can only muster a tenth of that support.

c4m.org.uk...

More than 300,000 people have joined a campaign against David Cameron’s plan to legalise same-sex marriage.

The Coalition 4 Marriage set up a petition against the plan, which has so far attracted more than 300,200 signatures. The group is calling on the Government to retain the current definition of marriage as the voluntary union between one man and one woman for life.

In response to the petition, Conor Marron and his partner launched a rival campaign, the Coalition 4 Equal Marriage. Mr Marron said it was “sad” so many people had signed the original petition.

His rival campaign, which is backed by the British Humanist Association, the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, and other groups, is running its own petition in support of homosexual marriage, which has attracted 33,400 signatures so far.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

reply to post by ollncasino


I understand, and to a point agree with you......I just don't see what the big deal is.
It doesn't affect me in any shape or form and don't see why they can't call it what they want.

I honestly think that most people who oppose it do so on religious or moral grounds.....and they are the most stupid reasons I can possibly think of.

I wish some people would get as passionate about some of the other going's on in the world as they do about this.

reply to post by ollncasino

Yet a petition of 300,000 opposed to gay marriage would tend to disagree with you

2 hours later...chirp chirp...yep, still 3 stars and 4 flags...chirp chirp...real mind bender here.

reply to post by ollncasino


What's wrong with gay people wanting to be married? What is your problem? You can't catch 'gayness'. I f two people are happy let them be, 300,000 people oppose, last I heard there were 61 million in the UK, so either most us either don't care or don't oppose it.

Why can't 300,200 people mind their own damn business about what goes on between consenting adults?

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by ollncasino

It is interesting that the anti-gay marriage petition has 10 times as many signatures as the pro-gay marriage petition.

That's because there are 10 times as many hypocrites who complain about government interference but want to legislate in our bedrooms.

Regardless of any snapshot taken of two petitions, common sense will eventually win out and this won't be an issue any longer. Anybody who is actually bothered by what another couple does needs to grow up.

Anybody who is actually bothered by another demographic gaining access to the same liberties that they have needs to rethink their citizenship, as they don't appreciate our trademark freedom.

Last time I checked wanting the government to allow this is NOT keeping in the bedroom.

Also this is in the UK, they don't exactly have freedom.

reply to post by calnorak

Also this is in the UK, they don't exactly have freedom

We maybe don't have as much as we should but I don't think we have any less than most other countries.

Exactly how do you come to that opinion?

Many in this thread talk about staying out of people's bedrooms. This has nothing to do with what you do in your bedroom or who you do it with, it's just the term "marriage."

I do have a theory about why this is opposed and probably will be forever. As someone said earlier in the thread, marriage is a religious institution, the joining of two people in holy matrimony before God. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that God says in the very bible being used to join said two people that homosexuality (a man laying with a man, etc) is an abomination, so how in the world can you ask Christians to allow homosexuals to be married in this way? I personally don't have anything against a gay couple being together, but "marriage" is a religious thing and from a religious point of view, homosexuality is not looked upon as being "holy".

Furthermore, it's just a word. Civil unions should be enough. I don't really understand why there is such a huge issue with this. You say potato, I say potatoe; both are the same thing. Marriage is traditionally a male/female thing and civil unions are a same sex thing. What's the problem? Are homosexuals just trying to piss off the religious folks?

I will just say that although I am religious, I do not participate in organized religion nor do I give the OT (where the anti-gay stuff is) much of a thought. It's not relevant to me and I can not relate to it much. Again, I have nothing against a gay couple being together nor would I treat them any different, but come on, you guys. You have marriage equality which is what you wanted in the first place, yet it's not good enough because it's not referred to with the same word? Come on... really?

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reply to post by ollncasino


First of all using the why can't a dog be called a cat analogy is stupid they are a different species, where as gays are humans just like you. You say marriage is between a man and a woman and that is the definition, BUT just as they have for thousands of years the definition of words can change. You have yet to give ANY viable justification for why you are opposed to gay marriage

to those who keep trumpeting the "marriage is a religious institution between 1 man & 1 woman" argument...

firstly; the Abrahamic religions are NOT the only religion. so even if marriage was a religious institution, the Abrahamic religions alone do no NOT get to define what the term 'marriage' is. there are a fair many of other religious institutions (or sects therein) that support gay marriage. [look 'em up]

secondly; the old testament has a great many examples of polygamy, including some big names like Abraham, Esau, Jacob, & David.

lastly; that ol' Leviticus quote that gets bandied about as some sort of proof: "Thou shalt not lie with a man, as with a woman: it is abomination." it is utterly ridiculous to cherry pick a quote like this and ignore the other harsh statements mere lines away...

such as: "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." Leviticus 20:10

OR "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." Leviticus 25:44

OR "If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death." Leviticus 20:9"

and so on...

[check out this link for a far better expose of Leviticus than i can offer:]
www.religiousconsultation.org...




marriage is a SPIRITUAL union, as it twines the souls, hearts, bodies and minds of its participants.

the SPIRIT knows no dogmatic institution. if souls find such true harmony with each other, it is only the fearful that would deny them the right to express that love.