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posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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reply to post by Kali74
 
Then we need to discuss ALL the facts before passing judgement.

Not by passing judgement then looking for facts to support it.

I think ATS should create a "Jury" forum. We all "knee-jerk" so much with current events. A Jury forum would look at the data, ALL THE DATA, then make a determination.




posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Kali74
 
Then we need to discuss ALL the facts before passing judgement.

Not by passing judgement then looking for facts to support it.

I think ATS should create a "Jury" forum. We all "knee-jerk" so much with current events. A Jury forum would look at the data, ALL THE DATA, then make a determination.



No wonder the government can supress us.

Look how they play on race emotions..

Obama using this as a political ploy


Everyone wants to hang this poor guy
and have been eating at the trough of
the MSM eating there sloppy lies.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Kali74
 
Then we need to discuss ALL the facts before passing judgement.

Not by passing judgement then looking for facts to support it.

I think ATS should create a "Jury" forum. We all "knee-jerk" so much with current events. A Jury forum would look at the data, ALL THE DATA, then make a determination.



No wonder the government can supress us.

Look how they play on race emotions..

Obama using this as a political ploy


Everyone wants to hang this poor guy
and have been eating at the trough of
the MSM eating there sloppy lies.

where was the Whitehouse on any other murder to the common man



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by rebellender
where was the Whitehouse on any other murder to the common man


They are only to be found
starting riots, creating a good crisis
and try to find a fall out boy like
zimmerman to take a hit for
there political enlightment.
Well it is not going to work this time
THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT
AND THE TRUTH WILL SET US FREEE
ZIMMERMAN AN INNOCENT MAN!!

They want you in the street rioting over race
they would like to start a civil war.
Don't buy the propaganda



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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whan I see a Martin looking like a 12year old and Zimmerman looking like a menace side by side

The media is inflaming the situation by doing stuff like that. Anyone remember Richard Jewell? The supposed Olympic Park bomber - tried and convicted by the media? Only to be found innocent - after his life was ruined.

I'm not saying Zimmerman is innocent - just that the facts are not all out there, but are being manipulated by the MSM, as always.

Everyone is jumping on this to further their own agendas. That's the Big problem.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Kali74
 
Then we need to discuss ALL the facts before passing judgement.

Not by passing judgement then looking for facts to support it.

I think ATS should create a "Jury" forum. We all "knee-jerk" so much with current events. A Jury forum would look at the data, ALL THE DATA, then make a determination.



No wonder the government can supress us.

Look how they play on race emotions..

Obama using this as a political ploy


Everyone wants to hang this poor guy
and have been eating at the trough of
the MSM eating there sloppy lies.


We're all being played.

But now that we are aware of it, (at least some of us aware) we can counter it.

A lone voice of reason can shout louder than a chorus of idiots.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Maluhia
reply to post by rebellender
 



whan I see a Martin looking like a 12year old and Zimmerman looking like a menace side by side

The media is inflaming the situation by doing stuff like that. Anyone remember Richard Jewell? The supposed Olympic Park bomber - tried and convicted by the media? Only to be found innocent - after his life was ruined.

I'm not saying Zimmerman is innocent - just that the facts are not all out there, but are being manipulated by the MSM, as always.

Everyone is jumping on this to further their own agendas. That's the Big problem.


I remember the FBI and ATF destroyed the life of Richard Jewell, I remember that well



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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I certainly won't buy yours, there seems to be a lack of actually responding to evidence by saying "ya they want money. "

So your smoking gun is Fox's "John" where all other outlets show at least a "speculation" of thinking that it could be more than a case of a cracked out black guy getting shot by rightful watchman?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
We're all being played.

But now that we are aware of it, (at least some of us aware) we can counter it.

A lone voice of reason can shout louder than a chorus of idiots.



That is what irks me the worst.

Seeing people getting played.
Seeing people being used by these
greedy politicians and lawyers.

I guess if you try to stand up what is right
like due process and freedom your going to
get a few people calling you names like liar,
troll, idiot, george zimmerman himself ect..

shame on you people



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:16 AM
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People believe what they want to believe, you can talk till you are blue in the face, it wont change many minds, plus they don't follow the post, or do their research, not that that would matter, if it suits their agenda they run with it.

I highly doubt this man was a racist having had two black foster children, this shouldn't even be a race issue.

edit on 123131p://bSaturday2012 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:20 AM
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Except he won't actually talk with more than rhetoric and saying people got played, the only time he has responded to any info posted is "look at the date on that" oh sorry 2days old, I post again with one updated TODAY and no reply, I show that there is the ACTUAL phone conversation with "Trayvon asking why Zimmerman is following him" and he says "ya they just want a payday"

WTF is wrong with the boards?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by popsmayhem
 


People believe what they want to believe, you can talk till you are blue in the face, it wont change many minds, plus they don't follow the post, or do their research, not that that would matter, if it suits their agenda they run with it.

I highly doubt this man was a racist having had two black foster children, this shouldn't even be a race issue.

edit on 123131p://bSaturday2012 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)


That's why reason, calm dialogue, sensible debate should reign.

I've been guilty in the past of having my emotions colour my opinion. I think we all have. But we're better than this. We are not a mob. We can fight the "mob mentality".



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:23 AM
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I have been sitting back and reading all the post, shouldn't we wait before passing judgment, why are you in such a hurry to convict the guy?

Just wondering.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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"mob mentality".


Yea one reason I was hesitant to even post on these topics.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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I'm not trying to convict here, just show that there is way more evidence pointing to the fact that Zimmerman is not guilt-free in this incident as the OP is saying "seemingly" without a doubt from a single source and story.

I am only doing what the OP is doing but to the contrary and with much more backing.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by GhettoRice
 


I have been sitting back and reading all the post, shouldn't we wait before passing judgment, why are you in such a hurry to convict the guy?

Just wondering.



now that has been the message of the OP all along



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by GhettoRice
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 


I'm not trying to convict here, just show that there is way more evidence pointing to the fact that Zimmerman is not guilt-free in this incident as the OP is saying "seemingly" without a doubt from a single source and story.

I am only doing what the OP is doing but to the contrary and with much more backing.


why based on your post is Zimmerman not locked up right now



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks cruising around in your car with a gun playing vigilante, neighborhood watch or not is a strange behavior and its actually calling for trouble?

Why did he get out of the car? Some kind of provocation must have taken place...

The whole ''Trayvon was trying to grab his gun...he WAS trying to kill him'' sounds like a weak conclusion and defensive statement. In those circumstances If someone who isn't a cop came to towards me armed, I would feel threatened as well. If it came down to physical altercation I would try to grab the gun as well to disarm him...That doesn't mean I would have any intention to kill him...thats ridiculous.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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Do you feel that your sources are unbiased?
Is there no thought that perhaps, they (your sources) might have their own agenda?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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edit on 24-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)






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