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Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by jrod
reply to post by LErickson

Iff poppsmayem's witness did not call 911 or try to break 'struggle' up and did not testify immediately(as in the night of the shooting when the policed were still on scene) then I cannot give that witness any creditability.

He did testify immediatly THAT NIGHT!! the MSM has just been supressing the information
this witness gave his testimony that night which all adds up.

I take the key eye witness testimony
ANY DAY over the phone call g/f hearsay,
treyvons mom claiming it *sounded* like
her son screaming for help on 911 when
it was not. All the hearsay you want to believe
go right ahead.. The martin family is looking
at $$$$ now, and will be saying anything
they can to make sure they make a little $$$ off of this..

The eye witness testimony and zimmermans story all match up
with the police report. The police report match up to why
zimmerman was not arrested. The screams for help
were from zimmerman, they had no time to collaberate
some big story and zimmerman had no time to beat himself
in the face.. Believe all the people and the MSM who were not there
I will believe the key eye witness, the only evidence we have that is not
hearsay because the witness actually saw this.
Either way if someone jumps on top of me and starts beating my
face in and I think they are going to kill me in fear for my life
and I am armed I will shoot the attacked.. There is no evidence
supporting that zimmerman *hit treyvon first.. Zimmerman had a gun
why would he want to get into a first fight? He wouldn't, treyvon
got pissed off and went thuggin on zimmerman and as zimmerman screamed
for help he would not stop beating his face in. These are the reasons
zimmerman has not been arrested, charged, or convicted.
SELF DEFENSE WILL NEVER BE MURDER...
Here is part of the police report..
It all adds up 1+1=2 eye witness, evidence supports now zimmerman acted
in self defense..

ALSO mods have asked nicely to stop posting the picture
because it is offensive looking at how treyvon is just giving everyone the
middle finger like f us im a bad ass.
edit on 25-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by DJW001
. Zimmerman never had to get out of the SUV in the first place, and even if Martin did attack him, why was he unable to get him to stop simply by drawing the weapon


Yes he did, he was the neighbor hood watch captain


NO he was not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have had this cleared up to you by now so you are pushing this lie on purpose for a reason. Why? What good is lying getting you here? A false argument?


they have had a string of breakins there..
What good is your neighbor hood watch man
if he cant tell which way the perp goes?


We have car break ins every summer where I live. We also have a nosy neighbor. I have called the cops twice over stolen goods and broken windows. I have called the cops 7 times on my neighbor for trespassing and destruction of property. He thinks he is helping. He needs to find a #ing hobby.


He got out to see where treyvon went
nothing illegal or wrong about that,


How do you know this is what happened?
Seriously how? You keep telling other people they are not psychic and were not there. Are you? Were you?
NOPE!
So please explain.


treyvon
then jumped the gun and attacked zimmerman


Again, how do you know this is what happened?


zimmerman was screaming for help and while
in fear of his life pulled the gun and shot in self defense.


Now you even know what the guy was feeling? Unless you are Zimmerman, you know you are full of # now.


He had a big guy on top of him beating his face in..


Zimmerman was bigger than Martin and you know this too. Why are you still lying?


He could not just pull it say freeze and not know if
treyvon also had a gun or even worse took the gun from him
and shot zimmerman


Which is nothing to worry about when you do not go chasing black kids around the streets for no reason.


If trayvon would of never attacked zimmerman
zimmerman would of never had any right to shoot
but that is not what happened.
edit on 24-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)


Keep saying that until it becomes true and be sure to let us know when that happens.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Calling someone a name...which i don't hear in the tape anyway...
doesn't mean you plan on killing someone...

If it did, my husband would have been dead a long time ago.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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These articles from today have some more witness accounts,with Zimmerman on top and Martin on his stomach.

A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."


Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon's body, and his hands pressed on his back."

usnews.msnbc.msn.com

Eyewitnesses describe hearing what they thought was a young person in distress just before they heard the gunshot that killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. “It sounded young. It didn’t sound like a grown man is my point.


“And for me was a shock to see, ‘Oh my God, that it’s a kid. So skinny, no more than 20- years- old. So skinny, like baby faced,” Lamilla said.

If I was the mother, I would want to believe it wasn't my son screaming. If I had any doubt that it was my son's voice, I would feel better, rather than having to admit the last sound he made was what I heard on that tape.

For Martin’s mother, one of the 911 calls released by police resounds in her head. On the recording, a voice can be heard crying for help prior to the sound of a gunshot. “There’s no question that was my baby’s voice. He was saying, ‘Help, Help me,” Fulton said through tears.

insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by popsmayhem
 



Yes he did, he was the neighbor hood watch captain


No, he didn't. For one thing, there was no official neighborhood watch; Zimmerman thought he was Batman. And even if he were a genuinely concerned citizen, he could observe from his SUV and continue to update the police on the "suspect's" whereabouts by cell phone. Curiously, the real police did not seem interested. That is one of the circumstances that makes Zimmerman's story questionable.


How could the police not be interested in "There is a black kid I do not know walking down the street."
You would think the SWAT team would be swooping in.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Sorry, those accounts are via the MSM. The only credible news outlets that we'll accept in this thread are from far right wing news blogs.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave
reply to post by Cavalier
 


yes, a teenager. A Minor. A BOY. Who did not deserve to be shot. Zimmerman is an overzealous psychopath...but seeing how many white nationalist, militiamen nutcases we have polluting this place, it's not surprising to find people here that would try to justify this incident.



Funny you should mention white nationalist when there are black nationalist offering a BOUNTY on a mans head. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Hmm..Its like Im really watching MSNBC !

A boy...at 17??

If a seven year old is capable of working in a mine 100 years ago, then a 17 year old, tall, athletic, black male is capable of defending himself. Quit fooling yourself! He was a grown man!

Stop it with the double standards.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Bigfoot12714
reply to post by popsmayhem
 


Maybe i missed it here but when did the authorities or witnesses say martin attacked zimmermann? and please don't tell me zimmermann said it.


NOPE!

Some guy named "John" claims he saw some of what happened AFTER the attack took place. John who? Testified where? Gave a written statement when? Called 911 at what point?
Nah, just some guy named John who claims to have seen stuff but does not claim to have seen who attacked who.


Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Bigfoot12714
reply to post by popsmayhem
 


Maybe i missed it here but when did the authorities or witnesses say martin attacked zimmermann? and please don't tell me zimmermann said it.


www.abovetopsecret.com... please read the op..
ZIMMERMAN INNOCENT WITNESS TELLS ALL TRAYVON ATTACKED FIRST


Again lying. Your "witness" never claims to see who attacked who.
This is so sad.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Cavalier

Originally posted by illuminatislave
reply to post by Cavalier
 


yes, a teenager. A Minor. A BOY. Who did not deserve to be shot. Zimmerman is an overzealous psychopath...but seeing how many white nationalist, militiamen nutcases we have polluting this place, it's not surprising to find people here that would try to justify this incident.



Funny you should mention white nationalist when there are black nationalist offering a BOUNTY on a mans head. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Hmm..Its like Im really watching MSNBC !

A boy...at 17??

If a seven year old is capable of working in a mine 100 years ago, then a 17 year old, tall, athletic, black male is capable of defending himself. Quit fooling yourself! He was a grown man!

Stop it with the double standards.


Of course they have black nationalists doing that. It's an irrational response to the irrational decision to allow Zimmerman to walk the streets. No one is justifying that.

Martin was capable of defending himself? Against a man with a gun? How did that work out for him? Oh that's right, HE'S DEAD. You have to be kidding me.

You are either a sociopath, or you are cut from the same cloth as Zimmerman and the OP of this wretched thread.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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You seem to be under the impression that the cops have to tell you all the details of their investigation.

YOU don't have a right to know the witnesses name, especially if the witness doesn't want it out there.

All that matters is what the police and the DA know and believe.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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Nice one, super sleuth, but I already told you "the witness has no obligations to tell police his full name"

He didn't give a testimony in a court of law -- the police knocked on his door and asked what happened.

No need for him to give them all of his private information.
edit on 25-3-2012 by Cavalier because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by Cavalier

Originally posted by illuminatislave
reply to post by Cavalier
 


yes, a teenager. A Minor. A BOY. Who did not deserve to be shot. Zimmerman is an overzealous psychopath...but seeing how many white nationalist, militiamen nutcases we have polluting this place, it's not surprising to find people here that would try to justify this incident.



Funny you should mention white nationalist when there are black nationalist offering a BOUNTY on a mans head. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Hmm..Its like Im really watching MSNBC !

A boy...at 17??

If a seven year old is capable of working in a mine 100 years ago, then a 17 year old, tall, athletic, black male is capable of defending himself. Quit fooling yourself! He was a grown man!

Stop it with the double standards.


Of course they have black nationalists doing that. It's an irrational response to the irrational decision to allow Zimmerman to walk the streets. No one is justifying that.

Martin was capable of defending himself? Against a man with a gun? How did that work out for him? Oh that's right, HE'S DEAD. You have to be kidding me.

You are either a sociopath, or you are cut from the same cloth as Zimmerman and the OP of this wretched thread.


So it is okay for black terrorist orginizations to make citizen's executions now because a fellow black was murdered? Are they somehow above the law now, or have we really become that passive that we are satisfied with watching America turn into a neo-Africa?

Martin did not know he had a gun -- Because it was CONCEALED! You are delusional if you think Zimmerman walked around his neighborhood like a prison guard with a shotgun.

Seriously, answer the first question. I want to hear your response.
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Since there was a struggle, the witness saw trayvon
on top of zimmerman he saw and heard zimmermans cry
for help, meaning trayvon was being the agressor
since he was the one on top of zimmerman.


Or Zimmerman started a fight he quickly began to lose well before "John" got to his window in time to watch a murder he never called anyone about.

You sure do assume a lot about what happened here.


If zimmerman
was just going to shoot him there would of been no struggle
and zimmerman would of just shot him...


Unless he was not going to just shoot him but harass him, and shooting him just became a cool new option once there was any contact.


Why there was a struggle was becasue treyvon
attacked zimmerman, giving him every right to defend
himself.


No, Martin was walking home when this oversized thug confronted him with a gun for no reason, giving Martin every reason to defend himself.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by LErickson
Or Zimmerman started a fight he quickly began to lose well before "John" got to his window in time to watch a murder he never called anyone about.



A man with a gun who intent is
to kill someone aint getting into
no fist fight. He is going to shoot you
dead without you ever getting a scratch..

If zimmermans whole purpose as you guys put
it was to kill himself a black boy, he would of never called 911
he would of never fist fought with treyvon he would of never
let treyvon get close enough to hit him. He would of just shot him..
Which leads me to believe as per say the eye witness testimony
of seeing treyvon on top of zimmerman that zimmerman was ambushed
was in fear for his life and shot treyvon after treyvon was smashing
his face in.
Looking at someone, walking behind someone, talking to someone is not an act
of agression, which I believe pissed treyvon off that this guy was checking him out
treyvon thought he would be smart and a bad ass and beat/bully bruise zimmerman up
well treyvon should of never even gotten on top of zimmerman.
The fact treyvon was on top of zimmerman at all making zimmerman fear for his life
is enough to defend yourself against someone who is trying to kill you..

K thanks



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Zimmerman was not stupid, he knew Florida's law and knew what to tell the cops to protect himself under Florida's Law. I wasn't there so I do not know what happened, no one here does except popsmayhem, given his testimony on here he may have been the witness hiding in the bushes.

Given the facts of the case I can tell you Zimmerman was not trained on how to use a gun properly.
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by kdog1982
reply to post by popsmayhem
 


I find it funny that your avatar is a mug shot of Zimmerman from 2005.


In 2005, a woman filed a petition for an injunction against Zimmerman, claiming that he came to her house and became violent when she told him to leave, the Orlando Sentinel reports. Zimmerman, 21 at the time, filed a petition of his own in response. Just a month before that, the paper reports, Zimmerman was at a bar near the University of Central Florida when a friend was arrested on suspicion of serving minors. Zimmerman became profane and pushed a law enforcement agent who tried to escort him away. He was arrested after a short struggle. That arrest had been reported previously.


news.yahoo.com...


Makes perfect sense right?
Zimmerman = Criminal record, violent tendencies, beats women and cops, carries a gun and stalks black people in his neighborhood - yes he has a history of that too. He is the hero.
Martin = Good grades in school, no history of trouble of any kind, worse thing on his record was being suspended for tardiness. He is the criminal.
I am sure race has nothing to do with any of this.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by LErickson
Or Zimmerman started a fight he quickly began to lose well before "John" got to his window in time to watch a murder he never called anyone about.



A man with a gun who intent is
to kill someone aint getting into
no fist fight. He is going to shoot you
dead without you ever getting a scratch..

If zimmermans whole purpose as you guys put
it was to kill himself a black boy, he would of never called 911
he would of never fist fought with treyvon he would of never
let treyvon get close enough to hit him. He would of just shot him..
Which leads me to believe as per say the eye witness testimony
of seeing treyvon on top of zimmerman that zimmerman was ambushed
was in fear for his life and shot treyvon after treyvon was smashing
his face in.
Looking at someone, walking behind someone, talking to someone is not an act
of agression, which I believe pissed treyvon off that this guy was checking him out
treyvon thought he would be smart and a bad ass and beat/bully bruise zimmerman up
well treyvon should of never even gotten on top of zimmerman.
The fact treyvon was on top of zimmerman at all making zimmerman fear for his life
is enough to defend yourself against someone who is trying to kill you..

K thanks


NO. Why are you defending this murdering creep?



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