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Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by Autumnal

The toxicology reports showed that he had not ingested any THC in about a weeks time at least.
Why are you lying here?
If you know where to get pot that gets you high for an entire week then you found magic.

Yes, I do know that he was not using that night. The toxicology reports clarified that for all of us. I have access to the same facts you do so why are you making so much # up?


Show me the tox report where it says trace amounts?
How much was in his system?

Do you even know what a trace amount is?
how many ng/ml NANO GRAMS PER Milliliter did he have ??
Where are the numbers??
Show me the proof of this




posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by sputniksteve
reply to post by Autumnal
 


You didn't read my post correctly. DXM is an Morphine analogue. It's chemical structure is similar to Morphine although not exact. It does not bond to the MU receptors in our brain so it does not have the same affects as traditional opiates. This is not negotiable, it is fact you can use google and find out for yourself. You are digging yourself a hole here.


It is not an opiate. You would have simply proven that by now. Can you define "opiate" for me?


Sorry I assumed you like to blaze, I was incorrect.


Actually you claimed I admitted to it. You did not just assume incorrectly, you fabricated an entire scenario in your head where I said something and you responded to it. All of that happened in your head so you seem realyl credible so far.


I was trying to just point out that "blunted" is in fact a commonly used term for getting high with todays youth. If you are not todays youth or do not listen to rap music this would probably not be a familiar term for you. Not your fault, but trying to act like he made this term up and so he must be stupid or lying or inexperienced is not working for you.


Apparently more stuff you made up in your head. I never called anyone stupid or a liar over the term blunted.



You might well be more experienced with using drugs, but that doesn't mean you are more informed on the chemical structures or properties or slang used when talking about them. In that regard you are just wrong.


I really do not care if I am up to date on the slang. I know what I am talking about when it comes to drugs and what they do. Can you tell me what difference the nicknames could possibly make?

I am fairly certain the only experience any of you have with drugs is from your health teacher scaring you. I live in the real world. Since you imagined entire sentences between us that never happened, I am certain I am more in the real world than you no matter what slang words you use.

Now please define "opiate" for me.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by Autumnal

Originally posted by popsmayhem
The toxicology report states he has high levels of thc
in his system. A mouth swab test could be used to tell
if a persona has within the past 24.

!!!!NO TEST CAN DO THIS Metabolysis of thc takes about a month,,there is now way to tell when it was taken to a scale of 24 hrs..!!!!! ... This is exactly the reason opiates are more popular in prisons than weed ...the drugs tests...

Do you know if that was used
on treyvon or not? Very easily could of been smoking that night
In treyvons case whether he was smoking or not
can be used against his credibility..
WELL THIS CANT BE TRUE BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE REASONS


Did treyvon in his drugged out stupor ambush zimmerman? DRUGGED UP STUPOR ?
All the things treyvon has done need to be brought up to kill his character.



CAPS BY GAMBON



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Maybe that was the problem. Maybe he was about to spark up, but saw he was being watched. Maybe that is why he was so mad and put the beatdown on george. No I can't prove it, anymore than you can prove zimmerman grabbed him. Can you prove me wrong?


See I can play the game too you know.


Um...you kind of have to have something to spark up in order to spark up. Since Trayvon was not found with any drugs on him your fantasy shatters all by itself.

Tell me again who touched who first and why you have not corrected the police on this?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by gambon


CAPS BY GAMBON



So by that admission, can't say he wasn't
smoking either?

It doesn't really matter really at all.
He was he wasn't so what?

Zimmermans 911 call he told the dispatch he looked high or on something..
he could of been waiting for a *hook up* when zimmerman spotted him
and treyvon thought it was an undercover. Went running to a circle around
by the time zimmerman got back by the suv treyvon realized it was some guy
and ambushed him



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by dragonridr

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by sputniksteve
 


why the hell would i bother reading stuff that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed?

why you talking about opiates when it was trace amounts of thc that was found?



Because the THC was not the only thing the autopsy discovered.He also had liver damage at his age couldnt be from alcohol abuse takes too long.


What thc damages the liver , or some unknown drug that wasnt found in his system damaged his liver so he must have been in a druuged up stupor?

"IT cant be alchohol"

do you know what , if he had alchohol in his system , then I believe he could of acted in a drugged up stupor and got into an ultimately fatal fight , but thanks for clearing it up for me that no fighting juice was involved...



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by sputniksteve
 


why the hell would i bother reading stuff that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed?

why you talking about opiates when it was trace amounts of thc that was found?





How about you show me a copy off the report?

of the actuall report mind not of a report of the report of the report

Show me the report where it says trace amounts?
How much was in his system?

Do you even know what a trace amount is?


How about you show me a copy off the report?

of the actuall report mind not of a report of the report of the report


By the way metaboloids of thc stay in the system for a month or so ....opiods stay in for 24 hrs max ....so treyvon may have had thc any time up to a month previus to this incident ....can u be "blunted" or in a "violent stupor" a month later?


If they found thc in his blood test it was that day your thinking of metabolites they can remain in the blood longer due to being stored in fat cells.
Frequent users blood drug test (defined as someone who smokes several times per week)
THC: 4-8 hours after smoking
THC by-product: 2 or more weeks after smoking



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by dragonridr

Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by sputniksteve
 


why the hell would i bother reading stuff that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed?

why you talking about opiates when it was trace amounts of thc that was found?





How about you show me a copy off the report?

of the actuall report mind not of a report of the report of the report

Show me the report where it says trace amounts?
How much was in his system?

Do you even know what a trace amount is?


How about you show me a copy off the report?

of the actuall report mind not of a report of the report of the report


By the way metaboloids of thc stay in the system for a month or so ....opiods stay in for 24 hrs max ....so treyvon may have had thc any time up to a month previus to this incident ....can u be "blunted" or in a "violent stupor" a month later?


If they found thc in his blood test it was that day your thinking of metabolites they can remain in the blood longer due to being stored in fat cells.
Frequent users blood drug test (defined as someone who smokes several times per week)
THC: 4-8 hours after smoking
THC by-product: 2 or more weeks after smoking


Only stays in the blood for up to 48 hours
the metabolites which store in fat cells
come out in urine for up to 30 days

So if thc was found in his blood he had smoked within the past 2 days and most likely
that day..



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by gambon


CAPS BY GAMBON



So by that admission, can't say he wasn't
smoking either?

WE CAN BECAUSE THE POLICE FOUND NO WEED ON HIM , Your scenario rested on thc being found in his system PROVED , he was in a "Violent stupor" I proved that it may have been consumed any time up to a month before....gambon

It doesn't really matter really at all.YEAH IT DOES BECAUSE YOUR SCENARIO RESTS ON HIM BEING IN A DRUGGED STUPOR


He was he wasn't so what? WELL YOUR SCENARIO RESTED ON THIS FACT NOT MINE>>>>>

Zimmermans 911 call he told the dispatch he looked high or on something..HOW DID HE LOOK HIGH ? IN WHAT WAY?JUDGE WILL BE ASKING THAT >>>>>>
he could of been waiting for a *hook up* when zimmerman spotted him COULD HAVE,MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN
and treyvon thought it was an undercover. Went running to a circle around
by the time zimmerman got back by the suv treyvon realized it was some guy
and ambushed him


HOW DID HE REALISE HE WASNT AN UNDERCOVER?IF HE WAS UNDER COVER < HE WOULD BE , WELL , undercover....


COULD BE's MAYBEs < POSSIBlies ....lots of those in your version eh... <



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:16 AM
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reply to post by dragonridr
 


where is the proof and references for this , prisons and police do not use such a test as it is impossible to tell WHEN the act was commited



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by sputniksteve
Unless he had not smoked pot in the last 30+ days it should be impossible to tell if he had smoked pot in the last 24 hours unless another test had been done previous to that in order to determine how much was in his system prior to that.


You have no idea what you are talking about.


What I mean is that if pot is in your system it is in your system period.


Nope. Not even close to being correct.


How you determine if someone used it recently is done by comparing that to the levels that were in the system at an earlier date. Meaning you can't say well you have "this much" pot in your system therefore you used pot yesterday. It could be that he used pot 2 days ago but used so much that there is still an abundance that would be generally associated with use in the last 24 hours. Or possibly he only took 1 hit yesterday so a low level of pot is in his system and is under the threshold for average use in a 24 hour period, so it appears that it was used longer than 24 hours ago.

It is not an exact science.


No it is not an exact science but I am going to choose to believe the scientists that looked at Trayvon instead of some guy online that keeps insisting DXM is an opiate and that pot is either "in your system or not."



**edit** I am not any kind of authority on this,


NO KIDDING!!!!!!



I am just speaking from my understanding. I admit I could be completely wrong about testing for marijuana, but If I am I don't think I am too far off. Maybe someone in the medical field can confirm my beliefs.


The toxicology report already debunks you, sorry. Maybe you should read this entire thread.


**edit** Also I think you should apologize for being incorrect about the chemical structures of DXM and the use of the word "blunted".


What?

I am not remotely wrong about DXM. It is not an opiate no matter how many times you say it. I will not apologize to you because you are wrong.

As far as blunted goes...you want me to apologize for not being familiar with the term?
Hold your breath.


Your ignorance on the subject lead you to make comments about the intelligence and integrity of myself and the others, and I personally don't appreciate it.


Stop saying incredibly stupid things then.


I haven't been rude to you so I hope you would show me the same respect. I understand arguments get heated and we say things we don't necessarily mean so if you apologize I am willing to wipe the slate clean.
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Tell me exactly how DXM is an opiate then and let's see where this all goes.

Then tell me how Pot and DXM make you violent.
Then tell me how much of each Trayvon was under the influence of.

ETA: mouth swab tests are worthless. I can get high and pass one all in the same hour. Toxicology reports show how far the THC has been metabolized. You got nothing correct.
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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by dragonridr
 


where is the proof and references for this , prisons and police do not use such a test as it is impossible to tell WHEN the act was commited


Still waiting to see
the tox report that has been
spouted on and on about..
I need to see it if your going to use it
as some arument.. Want to know what the
ng/ml is and blood plasma levels



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by dragonridr

Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by sputniksteve
 


why the hell would i bother reading stuff that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed?

why you talking about opiates when it was trace amounts of thc that was found?





How about you show me a copy off the report?

of the actuall report mind not of a report of the report of the report

Show me the report where it says trace amounts?
How much was in his system?

Do you even know what a trace amount is?


How about you show me a copy off the report?

of the actuall report mind not of a report of the report of the report


By the way metaboloids of thc stay in the system for a month or so ....opiods stay in for 24 hrs max ....so treyvon may have had thc any time up to a month previus to this incident ....can u be "blunted" or in a "violent stupor" a month later?


If they found thc in his blood test it was that day your thinking of metabolites they can remain in the blood longer due to being stored in fat cells.
Frequent users blood drug test (defined as someone who smokes several times per week)
THC: 4-8 hours after smoking
THC by-product: 2 or more weeks after smoking



That is nonsense....

"Inhalative administration: After inhalative administration, THC is quickly absorbed and the time course of plasma concentration is similar to the situation after intravenous administration. Bioavailability only reaches 10-30%, so that about five times the dose of intravenous administration is required to achieve the same effects. About 0.7 mg/kg, that is about 5 mg THC, are necessary to produce minimum psychotropic effects. An intoxication desired by cannabis consumers requires inhalation of at least 10-15 mg THC, which would lead to a maximum plasma concentration of 100 ng/ml after about 5 minutes. The concentration decreases rapidly, so that little THC will be detected after 2-3 hours. Chronic consumers need higher doses because of their development of tolerance to the active agent. This was shown in a study where 47 chronic Cannabis users tolerated inhaled THC doses of up to 180 mg without undesired side effects or nausea (Stefanis 1978)."



Table 3: Comparison of the effectiveness of THC application to man via relevant routes (Agurell et al. 1986, Frytak et al. 1984, Harvey 1991, Stefanis 1978)

Parameter Intravenous Inhalative Oral (lipophilic vehicle)
Bioavailability 100% 10-30 (-50) % 10-20%
Psychotropic threshold per kg body weight 0.02 mg/kg 0.06-0.1 mg/kg 0.2-0.3 mg/kg
Psychotropic threshold per person 1 mg 4-6 mg ca. 10-20 mg
Maximum plasma concentration at the psychotropic threshold 50 ng/ml (?) 50 ng/ml (?) ca. 5 ng/ml
Dose for a marked intoxication 2-4 mg 10-20 (-50) mg 30-40 (-90) mg

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by dragonridr
 


where is the proof and references for this , prisons and police do not use such a test as it is impossible to tell WHEN the act was commited


For what its worth there are methods used to determine when something was used.

A blood / urine / breath (depends on the substance) is taken. A second test of the same type (breath / blood / urine) is taken 1 hour later.

Once processed they are compared. The difference between the 2 tests establishes how quickly the persons body metabolizes / removes / breaks down (etc etc). That number can then be used to backtrack the timeline of when it was introduced to the body.

There are differing standards based on whats being tested but you get the idea.
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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:28 AM
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You seem really interested in the drugs aspect of this, no matter how ill informed you may be. Can you tell me what drugs George Zimmerman was under the influence of that night? What drugs did he have in his system? What drugs had he bought at the convenience store that day?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:28 AM
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thc itself is gone within 2 or 3 hours .. see study above .....nothing there to compare to a "timeline"
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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

All the things treyvon has done need to be brought up to kill his character.


But not George's?
Not his history of violent crime?
Not his history of racial statements on myspace?
Not his history of lying to the court?
Not his use of mood stabilizing drugs?

Why is his character so immune to the light of reality?

You really think that a kid that had smoked some pot sometime that week and bought some cough syrup is the more likely one to be violent?
I cannot get myself to be that insane no matter how hard I try.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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It is an absolute riot to watch you all cut and paste information about drugs you find online without being able to contribute one original thought of your own. Hey, it is great that you kids do not do drugs but stop pretending to be authorities on things you are just now googling and copying for the first time.

You all know exactly who you are too.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by Xcathdra
 


thc itself is gone within 2 or 3 hours .. see study above .....nothing there to compare to a "timeline"
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Gone from what?

Not the urine, not the blood stream...
No the hair follicle... Maybe the effect yes
but out of system no



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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I love how one sided and biased you are.
You really do personify this entire debate.

You just watched two GZ fanboys make the same claim without correcting them but as soon as Gambon used it against at GZ fanboy, you spoke up.

Just like how you keep telling me no one knows who touched who first but for some reason you are scared to say the same thing to Pops, Rebel, TKDRL, etc. who all claim Trayvon made the first contact.

At least try to look honest and fair once in a while.



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