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Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 04:32 AM
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Hey man,
I don't know if you're new to the thread or rejoining after a long hiatus, but I thought I should warn you to prepare to be disappointed if you're expecting any decent amount of logic in this thread. I don't know what post you were referring to in particular, but you should know that the entire thread is rife with ad hominems, straw men, red herrings, taking words out of context or purposely misunderstanding arguments, tackling one point out of a dozen well-thought out points from a post and ignoring everything else etc. I think people are taking this case way too personally and feel a personal obligation to defend one side or the other. They see Trayvons and Zimmermans in their everyday lives, and believe the outcome of this case makes a profound statement about the status of their own personal lives in 2012.

I know people keep talking about defending against the mob mentality, but the way I see it and according to current polls there are mobs lining up on BOTH sides. Everyone's got their dukes up and we all lose that way... I really wish we all could approach this with a clear, logical head.

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 04:40 AM
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Originally posted by Autumnal

Trayvon had not smoked pot that night though so why is that what you are focusing on?
Distraction on purpose?
Toxicology showed he was not under the influence of pot.
Do you not understand why I find you so funny yet?


The toxicology report states he has high levels of thc
in his system. A mouth swab test could be used to tell
if a persona has within the past 24. Do you know if that was used
on treyvon or not? Very easily could of been smoking that night
In treyvons case whether he was smoking or not
can be used against his credibility.. Did treyvon in his drugged out stupor ambush zimmerman?
All the things treyvon has done need to be brought up to kill his character.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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I appreciate the heads up, but I am a seasoned vet around here =) Besides the flurry of posts I put out tonight I don't usually talk that much but I certainly knew exactly what to expect when I jumped in on this subject. In general I find it best to try and be as polite and respectful as possible when starting a new conversation as long as the person you are responding to deserves that respect. I have said some pretty bad things about a couple of other posters over the weekend so I am trying to help my cosmic kharma by being patient and respectful with Autumn. I don't expect he/she will return the favor but oh well what can you do right?

I said my piece, and in my opinion did a damn fine job of it to boot so what ever happens from here on out I am satisfied. It was good enough to get them to stop posting at least so either they realized quick like they didn't know what they were talking about or it was a convenient time to go to bed. We all know by the time tomorrow rolls around there will be many pages and many more posts between mine and the next available spot in the thread and by then their embarrassment will be long forgotten. Which is pretty convenient either way.

That was a really long winded thank you wasn't it?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Autumnal

Trayvon had not smoked pot that night though so why is that what you are focusing on?
Distraction on purpose?
Toxicology showed he was not under the influence of pot.
Do you not understand why I find you so funny yet?


The toxicology report states he has high levels of thc
in his system. A mouth swab test could be used to tell
if a persona has within the past 24. Do you know if that was used
on treyvon or not? Very easily could of been smoking that night
In treyvons case whether he was smoking or not
can be used against his credibility.. Did treyvon in his drugged out stupor ambush zimmerman?




All the things treyvon has done need to be brought up to kill his character.


so what if he had thc in his system ? Does that meant it was ok to kill him? did the thc turn in into a 50s style lunatic reefer madness stylee?(i think not)

If you think that traces of thc in someones system is enough to kill his character in this day and age , then you are out of touch bud ,If he was in a weed induced stupor he would of been A) incapable of , and b)not bothered to .....set an ambush it aint pcp mate.

Of all the drugs , dope is on of the least likely to make you want to go out in a drug crazed stupor to attack someone



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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by sputniksteve
reply to post by Autumnal
 


Lol you live in the hood and like to blaze but never heard the term "blunted" before? You are just out of touch with slang then, not your fault I guess.

You are wrong about DXM though. It is a morphine analogue, it has similar structures as morphine although it doesn't work on the same receptors as morphine does. Hence why it does not have the same affect on you. Loperamide (immodium) is another opiate that doesn't work on the MU receptors, that is why it is so great at keeping you from pooping


I think you should move on from the drug use topic, it is clear you are not nearly as informed as you think you are.
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Why bring up dxm ...was any found in the toxicology?
And none of those drugs you just mentioned above would trigger a thc tester ? So why bring them up if you are so educated , just another veering away from anything to do with what is being discussed.........Blunted ....Do you actually know what it means either ...I dont think you do tbh...

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by sputniksteve
reply to post by Autumnal
 


Lol you live in the hood and like to blaze but never heard the term "blunted" before? You are just out of touch with slang then, not your fault I guess.

You are wrong about DXM though. It is a morphine analogue, it has similar structures as morphine although it doesn't work on the same receptors as morphine does. Hence why it does not have the same affect on you. Loperamide (immodium) is another opiate that doesn't work on the MU receptors, that is why it is so great at keeping you from pooping


I think you should move on from the drug use topic, it is clear you are not nearly as informed as you think you are.
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And none of those drugs you just mentioned above would trigger a thc tester ? So why bring them up if you are so educated , just another veering away from anything to do with what is being discussed.........Blunted ....Do you actually know what it means either ...I dont think you do tbh...


I didn't bring any of those up broham, I just jumped in and informed Autumn that he was in fact incorrect about the status of DXM not being an Opiate. And then I confirmed for him that in fact Blunted is a commonly used term to describe smoking a blunt.

Looking kinda foolish right now dude. Check yourself.
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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by gambon

If you think that traces of thc in someones system is enough to kill his character in this day and age , then you are out of touch bud ,If he was in a weed induced stupor he would of been A) incapable of , and b)not bothered to .....set an ambush it aint pcp mate.

Of all the drugs , dope is on of the least likely to make you want to go out in a drug crazed stupor to attack someone



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Zimmerman could obviously tell he was high on something
as per the 911 call..

What i do mean though if he was doped up he would
not of been thinking as straight. Why it makes more sense
he ambushed zimmerman not knowing zimmerman had a gun.
Had he confronted zimmerman, zimmerman would of pulled it
before treyvon had a chance to throw a punch or hit him.
It makes no sense that zimmerman would start a fist fight
with him.. Zimmerman had his gun and was ready to use it and did..
Zimmerman had no need to fist fight treyvon. Which leaves the only
other think that makes sense.. Treyvon ambushed him not knowing
zimmerman had a gun..



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL

Dextromethorphan is the dextrorotatory enantiomer of levomethorphan, which is the methyl ether of levorphanol, both opioid analgesics. It is named according to IUPAC rules as (+)-3-methoxy-17-methyl-9α,13α,14α-morphinan




Morphinan is the base chemical structure of a large chemical class of psychoactive drugs, consisting of opioid analgesics, cough suppressants, and dissociative hallucinogens, among others.
Chemical Derivatives

Immediate derivatives of morphinan include:

Dextrallorphan
Dextromethorphan
Dextrorphanol
Dimemorfan
Levallorphan
Levofurethylnormorphanol
Levomethorphan
Levophenacylmorphan
Levorphanol
Methorphan
Morphanol
Oxilorphan
Phenomorphan
Xorphanol

More distant of derivatives include:

Butorphanol
Cyprodime
Drotebanol
Nalbuphine
Sinomenine

As well as the following:

Morphine (and analogues)











err so treyvon had a cold?.....seriously have you seen how many non prescription meds that stuff is in ....

So what has this to do with thc?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:29 AM
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Did you even read pages 390 & 391 at all? Or just randomly quoting people and wondering why things look weird out of context?

I am soooo confused right now.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by sputniksteve

Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by sputniksteve
reply to post by Autumnal
 


Lol you live in the hood and like to blaze but never heard the term "blunted" before? You are just out of touch with slang then, not your fault I guess.

You are wrong about DXM though. It is a morphine analogue, it has similar structures as morphine although it doesn't work on the same receptors as morphine does. Hence why it does not have the same affect on you. Loperamide (immodium) is another opiate that doesn't work on the MU receptors, that is why it is so great at keeping you from pooping


I think you should move on from the drug use topic, it is clear you are not nearly as informed as you think you are.
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And none of those drugs you just mentioned above would trigger a thc tester ? So why bring them up if you are so educated , just another veering away from anything to do with what is being discussed.........Blunted ....Do you actually know what it means either ...I dont think you do tbh...


I didn't bring any of those up broham, I just jumped in and informed Autumn that he was in fact incorrect about the status of DXM not being an Opiate. And then I confirmed for him that in fact Blunted is a commonly used term to describe smoking a blunt.

Looking kinda foolish right now dude. Check yourself.
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Mate it isnt an opioid ,"has a similar structure to" is not the "same as" and I have never heard the word "blunted" used to mean being stoned or having just had a blunt.....so how is that commonly used ?....so tbh it just looks like you and your "brohams"(again wtf? ) use it ( mebbe you think you cool)cos in 43 years on this planet i aint ever heard it used ...esp in the hood ...you be laughed out o town ...hahahahaha

Some people read the urban dictionary and think this is how people speak ...lololol
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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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why the hell would i bother reading stuff that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed?

why you talking about opiates when it was trace amounts of thc that was found?

www.erowid.org...


DXM is not an opiate..

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by gambon

Mate it isnt an opioid ,"has a similar structure to" is not the "same as" and I have never heard the word "blunted" used to mean being stoned or having just had a blunt.....so how is that commonly used ?....so tbh it just looks like you and your "brohams"(again wtf? ) use it ( mebbe you think you cool)cos in 43 years on this planet i aint ever heard it used ...esp in the hood ...you be laughed out o town ...hahahahaha


What does this have to do with
the case??

DXM replaced codeine cough
medicine. Less abuse potential0
but 40 some years ago you could
get cough medicine with straight codeine
but to many people were chugging bottles
and bottles for the opiates effect.
The cough suppression is the best.
Go to the doc with a cold they can give u
it WITH script... None of this would make
treyvon have a false positive drug test.. for the thc he was on



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by gambon

If you think that traces of thc in someones system is enough to kill his character in this day and age , then you are out of touch bud ,If he was in a weed induced stupor he would of been A) incapable of , and b)not bothered to .....set an ambush it aint pcp mate.

Of all the drugs , dope is on of the least likely to make you want to go out in a drug crazed stupor to attack someone



edit on 4-6-2012 by gambon because: (no reason given)


Zimmerman could obviously tell he was high on something
as per the 911 call..

What i do mean though if he was doped up he would
not of been thinking as straight. Why it makes more sense
he ambushed zimmerman not knowing zimmerman had a gun.
Had he confronted zimmerman, zimmerman would of pulled it
before treyvon had a chance to throw a punch or hit him.
It makes no sense that zimmerman would start a fist fight
with him.. Zimmerman had his gun and was ready to use it and did..
Zimmerman had no need to fist fight treyvon. Which leaves the only
other think that makes sense.. Treyvon ambushed him not knowing
zimmerman had a gun..


From reading that i think you are high or drunk?

If you think that is the only way it could of gone , i am interested in what stops you considering any other possibilities of how it went ?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:43 AM
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Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by sputniksteve
 


why the hell would i bother reading stuff that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed?

why you talking about opiates when it was trace amounts of thc that was found?



Show me the report where it says trace amounts?
How much was in his system?

Do you even know what a trace amount is?
how many ng/ml NANO GRAMS PER Milliliter did he have ??
Where are the numbers??
For a positive result in an immunoassay test is 50 ng/ml.
The cutoff for GC-MS is generally 15 ng/ml.

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by sputniksteve
I didn't bring any of those up broham, I just jumped in and informed Autumn that he was in fact incorrect about the status of DXM not being an Opiate.


Why are you repeating this nonsense?
DXM is NOT AN OPIATE.

I do not think you have a clue what an opiate actually is.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by gambon

Mate it isnt an opioid ,"has a similar structure to" is not the "same as" and I have never heard the word "blunted" used to mean being stoned or having just had a blunt.....so how is that commonly used ?....so tbh it just looks like you and your "brohams"(again wtf? ) use it ( mebbe you think you cool)cos in 43 years on this planet i aint ever heard it used ...esp in the hood ...you be laughed out o town ...hahahahaha


What does this have to do with
the case??

DXM replaced codeine cough
medicine. Less abuse potential0
but 40 some years ago you could
get cough medicine with straight codeine
but to many people were chugging bottles
and bottles for the opiates effect.
The cough suppression is the best.
Go to the doc with a cold they can give u
it WITH script... None of this would make
treyvon have a false positive drug test.. for the thc he was on




Thatsw exactly what i said ...so why the hell bring opiates up in the first place ....most dont give a flying squirrel if others smoke ....oh wow he had thc in his system , he must be evil gangbanger......is how you want folks to react to this "thc" fact whereas most people got over the reefer madness stereotypes you never did it apears



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Autumnal
 


He was a hoodlum? Wha? You mean he was guilty of being black then? Cuuuuuuuuuzzzzz that is exactly what you just said. He was shot cuz he was guilty of being black. Wow.


Wow, you racist son? Only black people can be hoodlums?


Um...huh?
How the hell do you get only black people can be hoodlums from my post? Are you reading something else? I guess you did not know Trayvon was black. I am still wondering what makes him a hoodlum. Obviously you have no clue.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem
The toxicology report states he has high levels of thc
in his system. A mouth swab test could be used to tell
if a persona has within the past 24. Do you know if that was used
on treyvon or not? Very easily could of been smoking that night
In treyvons case whether he was smoking or not
can be used against his credibility.. Did treyvon in his drugged out stupor ambush zimmerman?
All the things treyvon has done need to be brought up to kill his character.


The toxicology reports showed that he had not ingested any THC in about a weeks time at least.
Why are you lying here?
If you know where to get pot that gets you high for an entire week then you found magic.

Yes, I do know that he was not using that night. The toxicology reports clarified that for all of us. I have access to the same facts you do so why are you making so much # up?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by sputniksteve
 


why the hell would i bother reading stuff that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed?

why you talking about opiates when it was trace amounts of thc that was found?



Because the THC was not the only thing the autopsy discovered.He also had liver damage at his age couldnt be from alcohol abuse takes too long.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by sputniksteve
 


why the hell would i bother reading stuff that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed?

why you talking about opiates when it was trace amounts of thc that was found?





How about you show me a copy off the report?

of the actuall report mind not of a report of the report of the report

Show me the report where it says trace amounts?
How much was in his system?

Do you even know what a trace amount is?


How about you show me a copy off the report?

of the actuall report mind not of a report of the report of the report


By the way metaboloids of thc stay in the system for a month or so ....opiods stay in for 24 hrs max ....so treyvon may have had thc any time up to a month previus to this incident ....can u be "blunted" or in a "violent stupor" a month later?



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