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Originally posted by fbluth
reply to post by popsmayhem
Self defense is not murder.....TM was defending him self and was murdered by GZ ..... your right it was pure self defense...TM defended himself against a predatory adult with a gun who followed him from his car to the sidewalks.....TM defended himself against a threat posed to him...
Originally posted by relocator
The words Street Cred grabbed my attention...this subject should be explored.....I found the following comment...
It amazes me that the young men today have this mindset. It actually sadens me. Young boys, black boys especially, seem to think that the "harder" they are the more of a man they are. That attitude is passed from one misguided man to another. Granted in some neighborhoods you do have to make it known that you are not a push over. That doesn't mean, however, that you have to be a trouble maker. Street cred is all about respect. If you are not being yourself there is no way anyone can respect you. I try to teach my son that he has to be a leader and not a follower. You don't have to be a thug for people to respect you. Respect comes first with respecting yourself. If you can't respect yourself no one will respect you! Parents need to get back to parenting and teaching their children. We have to stop letting the streets raise our children. And realize that your community is your responsibility. Just because a child may not be your biological child does not mean that you can't help them.
See Getting street cred in a cell:
Source
Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time. Although stalking is illegal, some of the actions that can contribute to stalking are initially legal, such as gathering information, calling someone on the phone, sending gifts, emailing or instant messaging.
We all know it wasn't GZ yelling on the 911 tapes.....audio experts say its not him, i trust them over you.
Originally posted by PLASIFISK
reply to post by popsmayhem
Wait.....
Theres proof now that tray attacked zim?
Where? Not being a smart azz, just want to see it. Cause if thats the case then your right. Zim pull his gun in selfdefense AFTER tray attacked him.
But if Zim attacked tray, then used his gun to kill tray fearing for his life, then there should be some questions as to why did he attack him.
Then again.
It all boils down to what can be proved.
Trayvon Martin's official autopsy has been released. According to MSNBC, the 17-year-old died from a single gunshot to the chest, fired at "intermediate range." There was one other wound on his body, a quarter of an inch gash located on his left ring finger just below the knuckle.
The report, which was released on Wednesday, was prepared by the medical Examiner in Volusia County and leaked to the press since Tuesday. Mountains of evidence for both sides to examine includes a reported 67 CD worth of information, autopsy report and videos of a deceased Trayvon and police reports, photos and videos of Zimmerman taken on the fatal night.
Among the pile of evidence is Zimmerman's family physician released 3 page medical report that was aired Tuesday night on ,ABC News, in which he described Trayvon's accused killer as having several injuries, including 2 black eyes, a fractured nose, 2 laceration on the back of his head and a swollen, busted lip.
www.cbsnews.com... claims/
Medical records showing that George Zimmerman was treated for a fractured nose and cuts to the back of his head after fatally shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin will likely bolster Zimmerman's argument that Martin attacked him, CBS News legal analyst Jack Ford said on "CBS This Morning" Wednesday.
The records came to light Tuesday. CBS News has also confirmed they show that Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes when he was examined by a doctor Feb. 27, the day after he shot Martin in a gated Florida community. Zimmerman, who has claimed self-defense, faces a charge of second-degree murder in the shooting.
Originally posted by relocator
We all know it wasn't GZ yelling on the 911 tapes.....audio experts say its not him, i trust them over you.
Please speak for yourself...
I know no such thing. So don't include me in your we.
Your cooperation is greatly appreciated.
Originally posted by conspiracy nut
why didnt zims doctor take an xray of his nose? why didnt zim go to a follow up, was he scared they would xray him and find no broken bones?
www.cbsnews.com... claims/
Medical records showing that George Zimmerman was treated for a fractured nose and cuts to the back of his head after fatally shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin will likely bolster Zimmerman's argument that Martin attacked him, CBS News legal analyst Jack Ford said on "CBS This Morning" Wednesday.
The records came to light Tuesday. CBS News has also confirmed they show that Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes when he was examined by a doctor Feb. 27, the day after he shot Martin in a gated Florida community. Zimmerman, who has claimed self-defense, faces a charge of second-degree murder in the shooting.
Originally posted by conspiracy nut
we are talking about someone who supposedly had life threatening injuries.
Originally posted by PLASIFISK
You just proved there was a fight between the two,
Originally posted by Xcathdra
I fail to understand why you didnt bother to read the post and response. Zimmermans status as visiting his father ties into Zimmerman seeing a suspicious person.
Since Martin did not reside there full time, the 2 (Martin and Zimmerman) were not known to each other. I never stated it painted Martin in a bad light (you need to stop accusing people of something they never said). I corrected a persons post who stated Martin lived there with his father.
Martin did not live there, he was visiting.
His father does not own the house his fathers fiance owns the house.
Next time please read the post fully and understand the context of it. Since we are seeking the truth we might as well all have the same, and correct, facts / information to work from.
Originally posted by PLASIFISK
reply to post by popsmayhem
That doesnt prove tray started the fight.
Lets back up to the point where words stopped and hands began. That is an important transition point and needs to be sort out with proof.
Bloodied knuckles vs. bloodied head
Evidence: Trayvon Had Bruised Knuckles, Zimmerman Broken Nose
The medical report from George Zimmerman’s family doctor after the Trayvon Martin shooting shows that Zimmerman’s nose was broken; he also had a pair of black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head, a bruised upper lip, and a back injury. He was examined by the doctor the day after the shooting. The three-page medical report will likely be used as evidence for the defense.
Meanwhile, the Trayvon Martin autopsy shows that other than his gunshot wound, the only injury on Martin was that the skin on his knuckles was broken. Combined with the evidence from Zimmerman's medical report, the logical conclusion is that Martin was beating up Zimmerman severely before Zimmerman shot him
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Not really..
In general people in this thred do not understand how an investigation as well as the law / consitution works. If the PA says he is going to decline to prosecute then thats it. Its done and overwith. The Police cannot just arest a person because they dont like the PA's position.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Since you view me as a fake cop I am not going to wasye my time trying to explain it to you. Feel free tor research it on your own.