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Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

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posted on May, 16 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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I got a tweet from Mark NeJame, the CNN analyst. I asked him which would hold more weight at trial the EMS reports or GZ DR's note.

He replied and said that it would be up to the jury. The defense will try to use it to create reasonable doubt and add to their case, but in the end it comes up to the jury, and that both would be admissible.

That came from a real, verified, lawyer................not an internet ...cough cough....




posted on May, 16 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by fbluth
reply to post by conspiracy nut
 


I got a tweet from Mark NeJame, the CNN analyst. I asked him which would hold more weight at trial the EMS reports or GZ DR's note.

He replied and said that it would be up to the jury. The defense will try to use it to create reasonable doubt and add to their case, but in the end it comes up to the jury, and that both would be admissible.

That came from a real, verified, lawyer................not an internet ...cough cough....


Show us the tweet! Pics or it didn't happen lol.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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LOL......GZ doesn't have much public support, at least not willing to open their wallets.




The largest donation received was $3,000, then $2,000 and the lowest was one dollar. Most donate between $25 and $100, and many include notes of support for Mr. Zimmerman and his family.



So it seems the GZ defense fund is still going. But no where near as strong as the GZ fans like to think. It has made an additional 15k in 14 (inclusive) days. So its averaging about 1k a day or so. That is only 365k a year if it keeps up at that pace, which most likely it wont. Over time people are gonna get tired of supporting this low life. But even at the 1k a day rate....GZ is still gonna get one hefty bill from Mark O'mara. Not to mention his living expenses.15k is laughable really.

Ill do the math for you. One donation was 3k, one donation was 2k. 15k - 5k = 10k. 10k divided by the average donations of around $60 = 167 people. Even if I am generous and give average donation of $25 that would only increase donors to 400. LOL

Please don't ever let any GZ fan tell you that GZ has great public support. He doesn't.

gzlegalcase.com...UPDATE REGARDING THE ZIMMERMAN LEGAL DEFENSE FUND



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 11:00 PM
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Go to Mark Nejames twitter page find it for yourself, its there.

I don't have to make up tweets. I can definitely prove it...just like you can go find it to try and prove me a liar, which you can't do....cuz the tweet is there....its not that hard to find, but I know its easier and more fun for you to call me a liar..... Jeez, you guys are ...



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 11:00 PM
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Well it's a good thing public support has zero to do with the law



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Who said it did. Thank you for confirming that you indeed do not have any reading comprehension skills. I didn't mention the law in that post. Thanks for more proof GZ fans don't read post and respond with emotions.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by fbluth
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Who said it did. Thank you for confirming that you indeed do not have any reading comprehension skills. I didn't mention the law in that post. Thanks for more proof GZ fans don't read post and respond with emotions.
He was making a point which you seemingly don't understand.

Your reply above apparently confirms it.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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Go to Mark Nejames twitter page find it for yourself, its there

Not everyone is a 'Twit'.

Sometimes people like to see proof of what other people post. Sorry that you don't get that.
It's part of that whole 'Deny Ignorance' thing that is popular here.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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Its been well confirmed on this site that only uses 'deny ignorance' as a catch phrase. They don't mean it literal...its clear, the ignorance around this thread alone is shocking.

And I offered proof. You don't have to be a 'twit' to access Mark Nejames twitter page. I am sorry that typing twitter dot com and searching '@marknejames' is too hard for you.... i did offer a source....just because I didn't offer a screen shot doesn't mean it didn't happen. ....and I wasn't talking to you....you responded to my response to someone else...so chill already

Most people dont accuse other people of lying on every post they post. And I offered my answer about the tweet to a entire different poster, you jumped into that reply. I don't owe you anything, such as a pic, because I wasn't responding to you. You can go to twitter and find the post if you don't believe me, I know its there, I don't owe you a pic..........or anyone else.
edit on 16-5-2012 by fbluth because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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One poster has continuously asked for examples of just how horrible and incorrect the original investigation was...ask and you shall receive. Here is a whole article on the subject devoted just to this topic.

Trayvon Martin Case Shadowed by Series of Police Missteps




On the night of the shooting, door-to-door canvassing was not exhaustive enough, said a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation. If officers had been more thorough, they might have determined that Mr. Martin, 17, was a guest — as opposed to an intruder — at a gated community called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. That would have been an important part of the subjective analysis that night by officers sizing up Mr. Zimmerman’s story. Investigators found no witnesses who saw the fight start. Others saw parts of a struggle they could not clearly observe or hear. One witness, though, provided information to the police that corroborated Mr. Zimmerman’s account of the struggle, according to a law enforcement official.





The police took only one photo at the scene of any of Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries — a full-face picture of him that showed a bloodied nose — before paramedics tended to him. It was shot on a department cellphone camera and was not downloaded for a few days, an oversight by the officer who took it.





The vehicle that Mr. Zimmerman was driving when he first spotted Mr. Martin was mistakenly not secured by officers as part of the crime scene. The vehicle was an important link in the fatal encounter because it was where Mr. Zimmerman called the police to report a suspicious teenager in a hooded sweatshirt roaming through the Retreat. Mr. Zimmerman also said he was walking back to the vehicle when he was confronted by Mr. Martin, who was unarmed, before shooting him.





The police were not able to cover the crime scene to shield evidence from the rain, and any blood from cuts that Mr. Zimmerman suffered when he said Mr. Martin pounded his head into a sidewalk may have been washed away.





The police did not test Mr. Zimmerman for alcohol or drug use that night, and one witness said the lead investigator quickly jumped to a conclusion that it was Mr. Zimmerman, and not Mr. Martin, who cried for help during the struggle.





His clothes were taken into evidence after his wife came to the station with a new set.





Mr. Martin was not identified until Monday morning, about 13 hours after he was killed, when the police learned that his father, Tracy Martin, had reported him as missing.





She also recalled telling him that night that she was haunted by the cries for help she believed came from Mr. Martin during the struggle. But she said the investigator seemed to have already formed an opinion about what had happened. He told her, she said, that it was Mr. Zimmerman — not Mr. Martin — who was the one screaming, an assertion that remains in dispute.





Benjamin Crump, a lawyer for the Martins, said that Mr. Martin was carrying a T-Mobile Comet phone and that the police contacted his father a day or two after the shooting to get the password, but he did not know it. A law enforcement official said that the phone had died not long after the police retrieved it, and that it took days for the authorities to get a charger and an expert to try to get into the device. If the police had been able to get access to it, they could have interviewed Mr. Martin’s friend about what he had told her in those final moments of his life and what else she had heard. The police eventually subpoenaed Mr. Martin’s cellphone records, but did not receive them in a timely fashion.


Mistake after mistake after mistake. The SPD is the reason race even became an issue in this. They walked up, saw a dead black boy, a white shooter (police I.D. him as white on the intial reports)....and they took the white mans word for it. They created the racist outcry...the SPD has a horrible relationship with the black community and this has made it worse. So even if GZ isn't a full fledged racist the SPD seems to be. Mistake after intentional mistake after willful mistake.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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great catch!!! i have been saying that the SPD bungled this investigation from the get go. they did not have all the available info yet they let zimmerman go home that night, in what fairytale land does that happen?



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:36 AM
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Zimmerman broken nose etc the first things i have seen to favor his story..

It doesnt add up that he wasnt taken in though, even more so when you compare it to this story.

www.cbsnews.com...



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by conspiracy nut
xcathdra do u think the doctors report will be inadmissible since zimmerman waited til the next day to go to the doctor? imo he could have had someone punch him in the nose for all we know. if his injuries were so serious why didnt he go to the doctor that night? no concussion?


As far as being admissible yes they are. In almost every criminal investigation that revolves around an altercation / fight / physical contact etc the injuries themselves are evidence that can either support or undermine a claim, depending on whats going on.

As far as the medical question and why did he wait. That is a question for Zimmerman.
Contrary to popular belief it is possible to sustain a major injury and not even realize it. A good example is a broken ankle. Its possible to have a broken ankle and not realize it aside from a throbbing pain. Its not until the next day that something would appear wrong with the ankle. It would be black and blue, tender to the touch etc.

A concussion works in the same manner. Its usually not until later on do the symptoms appear - Headache, naucious vomiting etc etc etc.

If Zimmermans body went into shock based on the events that just occured its entirely possible he would not even realize he had any serious injuries until his body come back down from the adrenaline dump. He did go to the hospital the next day.. If he were feeling ok then there would be no reason to go.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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You need to read the entire article and not just the first page. Actually I encourage many people in this thread to read it, especialy those who continue to falsely claim Zimmerman was allowed to change clothes / shower.


His clothes were taken into evidence after his wife came to the station with a new set.


Actions of Sanford PD -

In announcing the charge, Ms. Corey praised the Sanford Police Department’s work, indicating that it had conducted a “thorough and intensive” inquiry and was a “tremendous help” to her office.


As far as the car goes it understandable under the circumstances. Zimmerman lived in the community and has called / dealt with the police for sometime prior to this incident.

Also the timeline is not current. It is still including information that has since been determined to be inaccurate.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:54 AM
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And in what fairy tale land do you just get your head repeatedly beat on the sidewalk and have your face beat in and not go to the ER? I mean its been well established that GZ could have died from his severe injuries and gone untreated he may have some unknown brain damage right now. It is just silly for anyone to think someone took such a severe beating for over minute, showed the most minimal amounts of visible wounds, refused medical treatment and then spent 5 hours being questioned in such pain. It really absurd.

And his 'broken' nose isn't even confirmed by his own doctor. In the DR report that ABC got (most likely from GZ himself or O'mara)....it says 'likely closed fracture...no xrays were taken by that doctor. So that claim is really still a myth that even his own doctor didn't back up with an xray, must not have been that bad.

The note also says he wen to the dr to get clearance to go back to work and he declined an appointment with and ear/nose/throat specialist.......so guess that nose wasn't that bad off.

Its just silly though to thing that you shoot a kid, and don't want to go to the ER immediately and have your injuries documented......and the police only took one pic on scene.....I mean come on....yet GZ fans like to think that initial investigation was on the up and up and that they did everything they could.....bull, and you and I know that .



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
Actually I encourage many people in this thread to read it, especialy those who continue to falsely claim Zimmerman was allowed to change clothes / shower.





TKDRL is the one that said Zimmerman was allowed to change clothes. How come I am having a hard time finding a post from you to him about that?



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Autumnal

Originally posted by Xcathdra
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Martin did not live with his father but actually his mother. He was at his dads fiance's place visiting.
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So he was a welcomed guest.
I fail to see how this shed Martin in a poor light for being there.


I fail to understand why you didnt bother to read the post and response. Zimmermans status as visiting his father ties into Zimmerman seeing a suspicious person.

Since Martin did not reside there full time, the 2 (Martin and Zimmerman) were not known to each other. I never stated it painted Martin in a bad light (you need to stop accusing people of something they never said). I corrected a persons post who stated Martin lived there with his father.

Martin did not live there, he was visiting.
His father does not own the house his fathers fiance owns the house.

Next time please read the post fully and understand the context of it. Since we are seeking the truth we might as well all have the same, and correct, facts / information to work from.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
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What can one do. If they are walking and get approached like this. I guess it boils down to who can draw their pistol the fastest.
Here's something that works or me.
Behave like a person that is well adjusted to modern society and talk to them. Be polite.
I was walking across the parking lot outside my office two days ago when a strange car drove up the street very slowly, then turned into the parking lot and drove up very close to where I was standing. I had no idea what they were doing. I guess I could have got in their faces and asked them if they had a problem, but I was polite and asked them if I could help them. They needed directions, so I gave them detailed directions to the place that they were looking for. It was easy. I didn't get into a fight, no one was killed.


Do you teach this to your children?
If they see a strange car approaching slowly, go up to it and be friendly?



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
For those discussing the wanna be thug angle -

Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear


Excuse me, officer?
Could you explain what exactly the burglary tool was and how it was deemed to be a burglary tool?
Thank you.

Now I guess me and everyone I went to high school with was a thug too. I thought thug meant something else but then again I have a dictionary.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by Resurected
Zimmerman broken nose etc the first things i have seen to favor his story..

It doesnt add up that he wasnt taken in though, even more so when you compare it to this story.

www.cbsnews.com...


Not really..

In general people in this thred do not understand how an investigation as well as the law / consitution works. If the PA says he is going to decline to prosecute then thats it. Its done and overwith. The Police cannot just arest a person because they dont like the PA's position.

City of Sanford Press release concerning the Trayvon Martin incident

Questions and Answers

I encourage people to read it as it answers some of those questions people have been posting in here.



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