It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

page: 344
105
<< 341  342  343    345  346  347 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on May, 16 2012 @ 07:16 PM
link   
reply to post by TKDRL
 


No, I don't care to link it. Its available on line and very old news, Its regrettable that you missed it. But I watched it again, before I posted to make sure I had her and GZ fathers words right, that is what I do before I post information.

You can find both Dee Dee's interview with Matt Gutman and GZ father interview with Hannity and Fox35 all on youtube. I am positive both have been linked in this thread.



Dee Dee - 'What are you following me for? then the man said 'what you doing around here'.

GZ Father - 'TM came from where the sidewalks meet, he asked my son if he had a problem, George said 'no I don't have a problem' (which he did have a problem, remember that whole dispatch call for police, that problem?)'



It seems Dee Dee is more credible in this situation....what seems more logical GZ saying 'what you doing around here' or GZ saying 'no I don't have a problem?' after calling police on TM.

It's small things like this that once added up with all the major inconsistencies of his story like the head beat on the sidewalk for over a minute.....like being punched at the "T" of the sidewalk and TM getting on his chest right there...yet TM's body is 30 feet from that spot....its all of those things added together that PROVES GZ is lying. You guys like to pick up on one little thing and say that proves his innocence....one cherry from the basket isn't gonna make GZ an innocent cherry pie, its just not..........




posted on May, 16 2012 @ 07:22 PM
link   
reply to post by TKDRL
 


the only difference in Dee Dee and GZ father is the second line. GZ father says GZ said his son didn't have a problem, which is a lie. Dee Dee said that GZ asked TM what he was doing around here.

They both report that TM asked why he was being followed.......so how is that 'way different' than GZ fathers account?

Dee Dee adds that she heard someone push TM because his head set fell off.
GZ father reports that TM suckerpunched GZ right at the "T" and knocked him down.

The only difference is the second part, and this where the evidence PROVES that GZ father is totally wrong, been lied to, or is lying. It is IMPOSSIBLE for GZ to have been punched in the face and knocked to the ground at the 'T' of the sidewalk. That is where GZ father reports it happened, and remember now, GZ father was present at a re-enactment done by his son. So he watched as his son walked police through what his son said happened that night. So GZ father reporting GZ lies to police. GZ COULD NOT HAVE BEEN KNOCKED DOWN AT THE 'T' OF THE SIDEWALK AND TM'S BODY BE 30 FEET AWAY!

A jury will look at all if this with rational, logical heads, see the evidence and see that GZ murdered TM, simple as that. this case is not as complicated as GZ fans have made it out to be, it just isn't.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 07:30 PM
link   
reply to post by fbluth
 


Lol wow dude. You can hear someone get pushed over the phone? That's some good hearing, or some biased assumption there. Maybe the phone was dropped when he took his sucker punch and broke his nose? Just as plausible as dropping the phone from being pushed.

Also pretty rude of you, I was polite enough to link the one I was referring to......
edit on Wed, 16 May 2012 19:32:03 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 07:36 PM
link   

Originally posted by RancorXXX
Doctor's report now leaked, Zimmerman was on Temazepam and Adderall, both can affect vision, increase agitation and aggression.

BTW, one thing bothers me about Zimmerman, why does his father, who is white, go so overboard to point out that his son is Latino? Does he disavow his own son's connection back to himself?


Zimmermans grandfather is a black man
but you didn't know that did you??


www.dailymail.co.uk...
You people grasping at straws trying to make
a racial connection are making yourselves look very silly..
neeeeeeeext
edit on 16-5-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 07:50 PM
link   
So just an assumption here and trying to get the story right.

Tray asked zim why are you following me, then zim pushed tray?

Then they began fighting, tray started winning, anddddd zim killed him?

Some specifics are missing in there.

Well. If zim pushed tray, it would have been to aggitate tray to incite a fight, so zim could pull his pistol and use SYG in his favor.

Just saying.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 07:51 PM
link   

Originally posted by RancorXXX
Doctor's report now leaked, Zimmerman .....snipped


Already the effects of that report are causing problems, specifically with the family and their lawyer.

Mr. Crumb was just on Foxnews and my oh my how his demeanor and position have drastically changed. Oreilly discussed the autopsy report for Trayvon and the medical report for zimmerman. The bruising on Trayvons knuckles, the damage to Zimmermn......

Mr. Crumb all of a sidden wants people to take the time to review the information that has come out. He is also now suggesting that this case should in fact be tried in a court of law and not public opinion.

Quite the opposite of his previous position.... I am curious if they are doing this because of the potential for a Federal case. As it stands now I dont really see how the state can go forward. They have just about lost every single element they listed for PC for the charge.
edit on 16-5-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

edit on 16-5-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 07:54 PM
link   

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by fbluth
 


Lol wow dude. You can hear someone get pushed over the phone? That's some good hearing, or some biased assumption there. Maybe the phone was dropped when he took his sucker punch and broke his nose? Just as plausible as dropping the phone from being pushed.

Also pretty rude of you, I was polite enough to link the one I was referring to......
edit on Wed, 16 May 2012 19:32:03 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)


Its typical so I wouldnt waste your time asking for a link because it wont be coming anytime soon.

As for the phone and the girls guess at what occured its already been discussed and explained why her view of what occured wont be admissible, up to and including the link to the Florida Statute saying why.

I dont see this case making it to trial I really dont.. not with the latest information.


reply to post by PLASIFISK
 

The info about Zimmerman pushing Martin comes from the gf who was on the phone with Martin at the time of the incident. She heard the intial exchange and after that sounds of a scuffle. Her opinion is she heard Zimmerman attack Martin. Since she didn't physically observe it that part of her opinion is baseless and has no relevance.

Her credability is going to be challeneged as well since she failed to ID herself to the police. It was not until a few weeks later that Martins father was going through his cell phone bill and saw her number on the night of the incident. The family and their lawyer made contact with her, itnerviewed her, then explained she would not be interviewed by media, all prior to disclosing her to law enforcement.
edit on 16-5-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 08:07 PM
link   
So it seems the 'wounds' on TM hands was 1 small abrasion on his ring finger under his knuckle.




a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.


This is not a wound you get from beating someones head in the ground for a minute and pounding in there face over and over. That wound could have come from him being found face down, hands under him and being moved, it could have come in the struggle, but it for sure does not indicate that TM was 'beating' anyone'.

It also appears the broken nose is still not CONFIRMED even by GZ own doctor.




likely broken nose, swelling, two black eyes and cuts to the scalp


His doctor says it was a 'closed fracture'. GZ also refused a follow appointment to an ear/nose/throat specialist. The report also says that he was seeking medical attention to get legal clearance to return to work. And the people who claim to have seen him the next day with bandages....probably did...AFTER he made an appointment with his family doctor. See that media spin that some GZ buy into. lol

Tr ayvon Martin killed by single gunshot fired from 'intermediate range,' autopsy shows



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 08:13 PM
link   

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
reply to post by cdesigns
 


His father lived there, and he was living with his father. Hisssss father. Not a friend! He was living in his families house. He lived with his dad. Lol soooooo when i was living at HoME with my mom when i was growing up. Still in high school. And i stayed at my dads house on the weekends. I really had two HOMES. I had a room at each house. A key to the doors and responsibilities at both also. My parents were divorced. I lived at both homes.

Now your saying his dad house was not his home. Well wasnt he living there?!? I mean he was living there right.

Oh and he can walk where ever he wanted to. As long as its not private property, or restricted otherwise. There was nothing wrong with him walking through where ever, talking on the phone to his girlfriend on his way to HIS house.

He just didnt expect to be ran up on by zimmerman.

It cost him his life though.

The wasnt doing anything wrong besides being a kid.


You really dont know the facts

BREAKING NEWS , Trayvon lived in MIAMI FLORIDA, he got suspended and her mother send it to his fathers house for the week he was suspended because she didnt wanted him with her. Trayvon didn't lived in Sandford and if I'm not mistaken the person who lived in that place is the fathers girlfriend.

Either way Trayvon didnt lived in Sandford and he barely visited his father there.

Another newbie that doesn't have ALL THE FACTS



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 08:16 PM
link   

Originally posted by fbluth
reply to post by butcherguy
 


You again assume that TM wasn't polite. Dee Dee said he asked why he was being followed, GZ father said TM asked why he was being followed. What was TM supposed to do? Was it the fact he didn't say, Sir, why are you following me?

Ive read your post, I know how you feel about this case, I did respond to you because you were indicating that TM wasn't polite that night. I argue that asking 'why are you following me' to someone following you is being pretty darn polite. It seems you disagree and think TM should have been even more polite.......he asked why he was being followed,.....how could he have been more polite?
I am of the opinion that punching someone in the face is not exactly being polite.

The evidence seems to indicate that Trayvon punched George in the face.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 08:22 PM
link   

Originally posted by fbluth
So it seems the 'wounds' on TM hands was 1 small abrasion on his ring finger under his knuckle.

Autopsy results reportedly indicate Trayvon Martin suffered injuries to knuckles

Its a bit more than a bruised ring finger.

WFTV.com reports that a medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: the fatal gunshot wound to the chest and broken skin on his knuckles.

Read more: www.foxnews.com...



Originally posted by fbluth
This is not a wound you get from beating someones head in the ground for a minute and pounding in there face over and over. That wound could have come from him being found face down, hands under him and being moved, it could have come in the struggle, but it for sure does not indicate that TM was 'beating' anyone'.

Actually the bruising on his knuckles ties into the injuries Zimmerman sustained.



Originally posted by fbluth
It also appears the broken nose is still not CONFIRMED even by GZ own doctor.

His doctor says it was a 'closed fracture'. GZ also refused a follow appointment to an ear/nose/throat specialist. The report also says that he was seeking medical attention to get legal clearance to return to work. And the people who claim to have seen him the next day with bandages....probably did...AFTER he made an appointment with his family doctor. See that media spin that some GZ buy into. lol


A closed fracture is a break in the bone that does not pierce the skin -
Closed Fracture

Noun 1. closed fracture - an uncomplicated fracture in which the broken bones to not pierce the skin
simple fracture
fracture, break - breaking of hard tissue such as bone; "it was a nasty fracture"; "the break seems to have been caused by a fall"


The injuries on Zimmerman were (from your source below)-

Separately, a medical report on Martin’s alleged killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, prepared by his personal physician the day after Martin’s shooting in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, found that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer suffered a likely broken nose, swelling, two black eyes and cuts to the scalp. That report, first reported Tuesday by ABC News, also was reviewed by NBC News.




Originally posted by fbluth
Tr ayvon Martin killed by single gunshot fired from 'intermediate range,' autopsy shows

Since you are linking the information, how about you tell us what intermediate range is?
edit on 16-5-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

edit on 16-5-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 08:35 PM
link   
reply to post by cdesigns
 


I believe someone on here had already gave me the scoop on the living situation.

Lol. But thanks for reminding me.

Now. When are you gonna come talk face to face with this newbie. Your jump better start from 15 thousand feet.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 09:26 PM
link   
reply to post by TKDRL
 


Yes you can hear someone being pushed over a cell phone. It is no more ridiculous as John claiming to be able to see a red jacket when TM was supposedly sitting on GZ chest, or for John to claim he could see GZ mouth to KNOW it was him yelling for help.....all in the dark while GZ was supposedly being beat. So Dee Dee saying she heard someone push TM is no more out there than the claims john has made.....that everyone else has contradicted.....

And it was not rude. I don't need to prove things that have been proven over and over and linked over and over. Thats not being rude, that is keeping up with the case and knowing what happened.....you should be able to do the same. We were talking about things that were very old news in relation to this case, I shouldn't have to link the video if you are indeed keeping up with ALL the information in this case. Don't mis-characterize my honesty for being rude. If any new information comes out and I choose to discuss it, I will link my source, but not news that is well established already.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 09:34 PM
link   
reply to post by butcherguy
 


The evidence does not show that. That is what you want the evidence to show. The evidence we've seen so far shows there was a struggle....taking out Dee Dee and Gz daddy, we only know there was mutal combat....but according dee dee AND GZ father we know GZ lied to TM face and told him he didn't have a problem with him....

It seem more logical, imo based on the evidence available, that TM went to turn after GZ lied to his face and couldn't even tell TM that he had called police on him, and GZ grabbed his arm or shirt to keep him in the area for police and the then the rest is history, making GZ the first aggressor. ........the evidence points to GZ making sure NOT ONE MORE 'F'ING A'HOLE PUNK' GOT AWAY.

That is what the evidence shows.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 09:58 PM
link   

Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to a new autopsy report.



Zimmerman shot Trayvon during a confrontation inside the gated community in Sanford where Zimmerman was a neighborhood volunteer and where Trayvon was visiting his father’s fiancée


globalgrind.com...



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 10:08 PM
link   

Originally posted by Xcathdra
This post is where you accused me of being a fake police officer.


Yep, there it is.


This post tells me you read the entire thread.


Damn right I did. Otherwise it would be pretty stupid to just jump in and start rambling.


The fact you accused me of being fake tells me you are aware I am an officer.


Not where reality works. It only tells you that I am aware you claim to be an officer on an online forum. I am not the slightest bit aware of what you really are but I know it is not cop.


Stating you read the entire threads says you read the posts where my background came up.

Cool.



Hope that clarifies the confusion.


Your confusion? I am not confused about anything. You are the one that responded to the wrong post. I still do not see where you ever gave me your qualifications or any reason to answer your questions about my background. That was what you were supposed to be pointing out here but I guess all that confusion got to you.





Please show us what proper procedure is and link to the source.


You want me to link you to every procedure cops are expected to follow? I am not sure if you know any cops but that is a pretty huge #ing list of items you are asking me to link to. A real cop would know what you just asked cannot be done.

I know you cannot do it. Not even with your fake cop background can you do what you just asked of me.



What part of the forensic questions I asked did you find humorous and why?

The answer to that question is in that post just following the laughing face. Go back and read it because I am not writing it out again.



What actions did the police take that violated forensic standards, laws on evidence collection and handling etc etc etc.


Aside from allowing Zimmerman to wash up and contaminate his clothing? How about you explain to me since when a shooting suspect is allowed to freshen up and change his clothes before he gets to the station?


Thank you.
edit on 16-5-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


No, thank you.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 10:18 PM
link   

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by PLASIFISK
 


Martin did not live with his father but actually his mother. He was at his dads fiance's place visiting.
edit on 16-5-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


So he was a welcomed guest.
I fail to see how this shed Martin in a poor light for being there.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 10:19 PM
link   
reply to post by fbluth
 


Right now, all we have evidence of is a one way assault actually. Tray don't show any other injuries but the knuckes he was beating with, and the defense shot that put an end to the attack. That is not a fight, it's an assault.

Yeah, you can tell what happens during a scuffle from the other end of the phone. Whatever you say


You assume it was "all in the dark", if you were going in your back yard to investigate loud noises and yelling, you don't turn the back lights on first? I sure do.....



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 10:36 PM
link   
xcathdra do u think the doctors report will be inadmissible since zimmerman waited til the next day to go to the doctor? imo he could have had someone punch him in the nose for all we know. if his injuries were so serious why didnt he go to the doctor that night? no concussion?



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 10:43 PM
link   
reply to post by TKDRL
 


There is evidence of mutual combat....thats it. But logical people can look at ALL the evidence and figure out what happened and that GZ was the aggressor, its is very clear, even if you say it isn't. Logical rational gun carrying people don't do the thing GZ did that night.

Your right, whatever I say. Lets keep it that way.

Maybe you should keep up and watch all available videos and read all available articles. It was raining that night. It was cloud covered. There was no moonlight. One person (ill let you figure out who, since you clearly need to watch all the available interviews with witnesses) said their was only one back porch light on and the back yard sidewalks do not have sidewalk lights. By every single account of the eyewitness it was dark.

Have you seen the back porches of Twin Lakes? they are enclosed, they inside light wouldn't shed much light outside, and like I said one witness said only one outside porch light was on.........

Now, over 300 pages later you want to question whether it was dark or not?



new topics

top topics



 
105
<< 341  342  343    345  346  347 >>

log in

join