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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by pizzanazi75
Yeah, but he didn't say I turned around and retraced my steps. Or if he did how do you know Trayvon wasn't hiding and when he saw the guy turn around to go back he didn't come out and jump him. Here I'll illustrate on the map two different scenarios. The first is yours where he turns around and retraces his steps, the second scenario is based on original proposed paths of the two guys.
In the first is your plan, the purple line is Zimmerman's possible path, when it turns to dots is where he turned around and the brighter green/yellow lines show where Trayvon could have come (from either side) when he saw Zimmerman turn and to head back.
The second one shows what people originally said were Zimmerman and Trayvon's paths, I don't know if they are still valid but this is what was originally suggested. That Zimmerman ran down in front of the houses before going in between. If that was the case he could have walked back towards his car in between the buildings. If he did that then he could have passed Trayvon's hiding place and Trayvon come out behind him. In this one, again Zimmerman's path is purple and Trayvon is the brighter green/yellow. This isn't just based on assumption. Originally this is the paths that were suggested (including sites that drew lines just like mine (excluding Trayvons going off to the sides like mine to show he could have hid).
Now before you go off on one of your insulting tirades about how I don't know anything or understand anything how about you tell me what there supposed paths were, or what you think and I will do them over to fit your idea and show you how Trayvon still, not matter the situation, could have hid and jumped Zimmerman. Or even better you can do them yourself and post them.edit on 28-4-2012 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xtrozero
300 plus pages 6000 plus posts, does any of this really matter?
It is easy to see that Zimmerman used excessive force after instigating the whole situation. Even if Zimmerman got into a fist fight does anyone here really believe he was in a fight for his life and needed to use deadly force to save himself? He is guilty as hell of manslaughter.....
The other thing is why are you all not blogging about the other large number of murders too since this case started. To me, this is just another common event that is sadly played across many cities every day. I don't think Martin was some innocent kid either, he fits the demographic for the high death rate statistics of young black males. There is a good reason why that rate is high and it's their lifestyle that creates the environment for it to be high. If he was killed in a gang related event no one would post a single word, but that was most likely his fate anyways if this didn't happen.
Even if Zimmerman got into a fist fight does anyone here really believe he was in a fight for his life and needed to use deadly force to save himself?
It is easy to see that Zimmerman used excessive force after instigating the whole situation. Even if Zimmerman got into a fist fight does anyone here really believe he was in a fight for his life and needed to use deadly force to save himself?
Fistfight justifies use of deadly force in my book
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Xtrozero
Even if Zimmerman got into a fist fight does anyone here really believe he was in a fight for his life and needed to use deadly force to save himself?
Fistfight justifies use of deadly force in my book, and also according to law. Not even talking about banging someones head into cement.edit on 28/4/12 by Maslo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by pizzanazi75
You are aware that one punch could kill an individual, right?
Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by pizzanazi75
You are aware that one punch could kill an individual, right?
Originally posted by conspiracy nut
Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by pizzanazi75
You are aware that one punch could kill an individual, right?
you are aware that you are exaggerating right? what you guys want is to be able to shoot and kill any unarmed person that can kick your butts fair and square, even if you start the fight.
you want to shoot to kill, join the army, you want to play super hero join the police. you see a crime going on or a suspicious person call the cops. that is as far as your duty as a CIVILIAN calls for.
unless someones life is in immediate danger by an armed individual, or you are being jumped by multiple attackers i do not feel you have the right to shoot to kill anyone.
Originally posted by conspiracy nut
i do not feel you have the right to shoot to kill anyone.
Originally posted by conspiracy nut
Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by pizzanazi75
You are aware that one punch could kill an individual, right?
you are aware that you are exaggerating right? what you guys want is to be able to shoot and kill any unarmed person that can kick your butts fair and square, even if you start the fight.
you want to shoot to kill, join the army, you want to play super hero join the police. you see a crime going on or a suspicious person call the cops. that is as far as your duty as a CIVILIAN calls for.
unless someones life is in immediate danger by an armed individual, or you are being jumped by multiple attackers i do not feel you have the right to shoot to kill anyone.
A NEIGHBORHOOD IN FEAR
By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.
At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.
In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.
One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered...."
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Drunkenparrot
That was a good post. I posted that yesterday,and wish everyone would read it.
Takes away that " Out for blood " angle,everyone,including the President,went for.
Originally posted by kimish
I don't know about you but if someone was smashing my head into the cement I'd be fighting for my life.