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Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by TinkerHaus

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by TinkerHaus
You guys ALL refuse to answer the question.

What kind of man are you? If someone was chasing you through the neighborhood, then when you ran the ran after you, when they caught up with you what would you do? You gonna fight him (remember, you're doing nothing wrong, just getting some candy and a drink) or are you going to let this guy do as he pleases with you?

Do you stand up for yourself when you are threatened, or do you play possum? What kind of men are you?

Answer it or avoid it, I think avoiding it makes my point just the same as if you answered it.




It is indeed contradictory. These guys are arguing that Zimmerman had a right to defend himself because they claim Martin attacked him. But, following their own logic, since Zimmerman followed Martin, that would mean martin had the RIGHT to attack Zimmerman. Right?

But their argument goes like this: Zimmerman had a right to kill Martin because Martin attacked him. And Zimmerman had a right to follow martin because he was protecting himself. But martin apparently didnt have the right to defend himself against Zimmerman following and attacking him because.....?



Apparently black people don't have rights. Let's just come out and say it - because I cannot think of any other reason Trayvon Martin would be denied the same rights as George Zimmerman in the minds of these people.

Can you guys offer some alternate explanation that takes race out of the equation? I'd love to bury this theory but when you've ruled out all other possibilites... This is the only one that remains.


Yes, that is the elephant in the room. But mentioning it is a trap because it doesnt really relate to the facts in the case, which are that Zimmerman killed the kid, and that police helped cover up his murder.

Its not even race as much as it is class. People with a certain level of power (but not much, likeZimmerman) in our society see their importance slipping away, so they lash out at those they see as slightly less powerful. It will only get worse as American prosperity declines and the wealthy hrde all their riches. The middle class will lash out at the poor, the poor will lash out at the middle class, and the wealthy will sit back and laugh.




posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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reply to post by TinkerHaus
 


I woulda walked away from Martin had he said he lived around the corner.
seems Martin then persisted as the aggressor.

lets see your crystal ball.

cause unless you have one nobody knows what happened for sure and for certain.

Not you, not me. so where now is your argument?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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There is the possibility that Zimmerman started the confrontation but Martin got the best of him. Just because he ended up on the ground doesn't mean he was attacked, just as it doesn't mean he did the attacking.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by TinkerHaus
reply to post by mhc_70
 


Dead link.


Tried fixing it, not sure, but the page it takes you to has a link to the article under popular stories...or just google 'Zimmermans neighbors saw bandages'.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender

seems Martin then persisted as the aggressor.


Just keep repeating that as much as you can and some people will believe it.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by TinkerHaus
 


I woulda walked away from Martin had he said he lived around the corner.
seems Martin then persisted as the aggressor.

lets see your crystal ball.

cause unless you have one nobody knows what happened for sure and for certain.

Not you, not me. so where now is your argument?


Whoa buddy, you're the one agreeing with George Zimmerman avatar dude that Zimmerman is innocent. Zimmerman hasn't looked that busted up in any of the images we've seen of him since. And again, all of the witnesses who've shown their faces say that Martin was attacked and shot. Voice analysis confirms that the voice screaming for help is not Zimmerman.

The only people who say otherwise will not show their faces or are 13 and protected by the law.

Hey, just offhand.. What would you do if some maniac was chasing you through the neighborhood and cornered you in a back yard? Would you fight or cry like a girl?

If you're ignoring me it's not because I'm a troll, it's because you lose.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by mhc_70
bleeding form the nose and back of head, all of which is on the police report.


No. Not only is it not in the police report, video and photos show NO SIGN of it.


If some one is beating your head on the ground, do you rationalize what is the proper way to respond?


I know if someone was beating my head into the ground to the point I felt my life was threatened I would A-not refuse medical treatment B-would have visible signs like and open wound and blood.

Neither of those were present.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Can you guys offer some alternate explanation that takes race out of the equation? I'd love to bury this theory but when you've ruled out all other possibilites... This is the only one that remains.
reply to post by TinkerHaus
 

Only you, The President of the United States, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and MSM have made this about race.

Cause nobody else knows what happened. How is it that you do?

And for only the purpose disagreement are you calling people out here in an anonymous forum.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by mhc_70
bleeding form the nose and back of head, all of which is on the police report.


No. Not only is it not in the police report, video and photos show NO SIGN of it.


If some one is beating your head on the ground, do you rationalize what is the proper way to respond?


I know if someone was beating my head into the ground to the point I felt my life was threatened I would A-not refuse medical treatment B-would have visible signs like and open wound and blood.

Neither of those were present.


How do you know?
Seriously how do you know?
I still want to know how you are privy to facts that could write America's Best Seller of All Time



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by mhc_70
bleeding form the nose and back of head, all of which is on the police report.


No. Not only is it not in the police report, video and photos show NO SIGN of it.


If some one is beating your head on the ground, do you rationalize what is the proper way to respond?


I know if someone was beating my head into the ground to the point I felt my life was threatened I would A-not refuse medical treatment B-would have visible signs like and open wound and blood.

Neither of those were present.


Wrong again...

cnninsession.files.wordpress.com...

Page 7, Officer Timothy Smith, read it for yourself.

He also states that zimmerman was given first aid on the scene and cleared by the SFD. There are also videos that clearly show the cuts on the back of his head, but I hope you will stop drinking the kool-aid the media is serving you and find the facts for yourself.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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Ok lets put you as Zimmerman, and lets make me, you.

You are Guilty because ::::::
1) I said so.
2) there is no other way to have a dead body
3) The President and the Black Community said you Murdered Martin

There you have it.
Get a Rope, you are Guilty and according to Popular belief you must swing from a tree.
Lets go , no appeal no grand jury no trial just you and me and a rope

Thats, not why people from England settled this continent in 1605.
Thats why we have a bill of rights in our constitution. King Henry the 8th justice dont work on this contient



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by TinkerHaus


The only people who say otherwise will not show their faces or are 13 and protected by the law.

Hey, just offhand.. What would you do if some maniac was chasing you through the neighborhood and cornered you in a back yard? Would you fight or cry like a girl?

If you're ignoring me it's not because I'm a troll, it's because you lose.



Well sure there is, lil treyvon was trying
to kill zimmerman!!! He had every right
to use his gun on someone trying to kill him.
If treyvon was on top of your wife beating her face in
and you did not know if he had a gun or not
you would scream for help help and wait for the police
show up 15 min. later?
As she lays there dead.
YOU WOULD SHOOT him and if you wouldn't
your a coward.
If zimmerman did not have a gun how could
he protect himself while watching the neighbor
and some armed thugs are breaking into a house?
Wait for the police IF they see you they will kill you.
He needed a gun for a situation like this.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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Hey, just offhand.. What would you do if some maniac was chasing you through the neighborhood and cornered you in a back yard? Would you fight or cry like a girl?


still trying to go the fiction route. They dont hand out Pulitzer Prizes for Fiction,,,and frankly Justice and Fiction shouldn't be said in the same sentence. You me or anybody else.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by mhc_70
bleeding form the nose and back of head, all of which is on the police report.


No. Not only is it not in the police report, video and photos show NO SIGN of it.


If some one is beating your head on the ground, do you rationalize what is the proper way to respond?


I know if someone was beating my head into the ground to the point I felt my life was threatened I would A-not refuse medical treatment B-would have visible signs like and open wound and blood.

Neither of those were present.


What planet are you on dont you watch any news at all? First the police report does indeed mention his injuries and i quote:

"I could observe his back it appeared to be wet and covered with grass, as if he had been laying on the ground.Zimmerman was also bleeding from his nose and the back of his head."

Then of course ABC apologized and admitted that the video they released did indeed show injuries on the tape. So your contradicting the people that released the tape in the first place. Or do you only believe what you want to as long as it fits your beliefs?
edit on 4/16/12 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by mhc_70
There are also videos that clearly show the cuts on the back of his head, but I hope you will stop drinking the kool-aid the media is serving you and find the facts for yourself.

utter bull#.

Video shows a SCAR. Scar tissue does not form in one hour.

The lead officer wanted to arrest Zimmerman.

Why is that?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by mhc_70
There are also videos that clearly show the cuts on the back of his head, but I hope you will stop drinking the kool-aid the media is serving you and find the facts for yourself.

utter bull#.

Video shows a SCAR. Scar tissue does not form in one hour.

The lead officer wanted to arrest Zimmerman.

Why is that?




That is a huge gash SIR

like he was ambushed and
his head beat into concrete,
all documented evidence and forensics
will show the grass stands on zimmerman
the gun powder and position the shot was in
it will all point to zimmerman telling the truth..
people are trying to in prison an innocent man



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by mhc_70
There are also videos that clearly show the cuts on the back of his head, but I hope you will stop drinking the kool-aid the media is serving you and find the facts for yourself.

utter bull#.

Video shows a SCAR. Scar tissue does not form in one hour.


Am I just suppose to take your word for it?


The lead officer wanted to arrest Zimmerman.

Why is that?



I guess he had some doubt



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by mhc_70
There are also videos that clearly show the cuts on the back of his head, but I hope you will stop drinking the kool-aid the media is serving you and find the facts for yourself.

utter bull#.

Video shows a SCAR. Scar tissue does not form in one hour.

The lead officer wanted to arrest Zimmerman.

Why is that?



God im glad your not a medic scar tissue has nothing to do with an open wound. First dried blood becomes a scar tissue but apparently you never cut yourself???????



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by TinkerHaus


The only people who say otherwise will not show their faces or are 13 and protected by the law.

Hey, just offhand.. What would you do if some maniac was chasing you through the neighborhood and cornered you in a back yard? Would you fight or cry like a girl?

If you're ignoring me it's not because I'm a troll, it's because you lose.



Well sure there is, lil treyvon was trying
to kill zimmerman!!! He had every right
to use his gun on someone trying to kill him.
If treyvon was on top of your wife beating her face in
and you did not know if he had a gun or not
you would scream for help help and wait for the police
show up 15 min. later?
As she lays there dead.
YOU WOULD SHOOT him and if you wouldn't
your a coward.
If zimmerman did not have a gun how could
he protect himself while watching the neighbor
and some armed thugs are breaking into a house?
Wait for the police IF they see you they will kill you.
He needed a gun for a situation like this.



Funny how your buddy criticizes me building an opinion based on the so far reported facts of the case but he actually STARS your trip to the land of make believe. Just another example of the type of attitudes we're dealing with.

Funny how you guys avoid the question because you KNOW that if you answered it truthfully it would be admitting that your last 90+ pages of pure hate and ignorance were just that.

Funny in a tragic way, of course.

As for the rest of this rambling nonsense I don't even know how to respond.

I'm going to address your friend and be on my way.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by TinkerHaus
 





Hey, just offhand.. What would you do if some maniac was chasing you through the neighborhood and cornered you in a back yard? Would you fight or cry like a girl?


still trying to go the fiction route. They dont hand out Pulitzer Prizes for Fiction,,,and frankly Justice and Fiction shouldn't be said in the same sentence. You me or anybody else.



No, this is what the 911 tape and Zimmerman's own words and shortness of breath TELL US. Not fantasy, not make believe. I'm asking you to put yourself in Treyvon Martin's shoes, however uncomfortable that may be for you, and ask who was acting in a reasonable manner, just this little window of time, say from 20 minutes before Martin was killed. Nothing about either man's past, nothing about their color, nothing about the various people around the country voicing their opinions to suit their political agendas.. Just this 20 minutes, put yourself in his shoes. Would you attack a man following you through the neighborhood, who OBVIOUSLY chased you behind a house? How the hell else did they end up behind the house??

We know that Trayvon Martin KNEW he was being followed because first off Zimmerman states "he's looking at me" during the 911 call so don't try to accuse him of going to rob the place or something. He was trying to run away from the scary $%&^ing dude who was following him. He was 17 - I don't care how thuggish you are you get SCARED when you're 17.

Voice analysis shows that it was NOT Zimmerman screaming for help. This implies that Martin was probably looking down the barrel of that 9mm well before he was shot. So even if there was a scuffle, they had to at some point have separated and Zimmerman had time to pull his weapon out. The other logical assumption is that Zimmerman already had his weapon drawn. You tell me.

At this point Zimmerman has a choice, he's looking the kid in the eyes. The kid is screaming for help, Zimmerman chooses to pull the trigger.

The man who does this is NOT a hero, he's far from it. And the men who idolize him while this is still a strong possibility, perhaps even a probability, make me sick and ashamed.

I am done with this thread. I hope the truth comes out.

Why do I pull out the race card in an earlier post? Because you and your buddies keep making statements like this:



Ok lets put you as Zimmerman, and lets make me, you.

You are Guilty because ::::::
1) I said so.
2) there is no other way to have a dead body
3) The President and the Black Community said you Murdered Martin


Also earlier when you accused me of arbitrarily involving myself behind the safety and anonymity of my keyboard, I assure you that both my mind and my body are ready for whatever comes.
edit on 16-4-2012 by TinkerHaus because: (no reason given)

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