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Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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I can count 5 just in that little snippet, more then 3 streets.
Can also see numerous side walks that go inbetween the houses,
and where treyvon COULD of ran home if he wanted to.
He didn't he wanted for zimmerman so he could give him
some of his mind, that is where the eye witness comes in
and treyvon is on top of him.





posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

You claim that neighborhood is huge with many streets, its not.
When you admit that the neighborhood only has 3 streets, with 3 street names, and you are embellishing when you say it has 'many many' streets we can talk again, until then you are a liar, and I have to question your motives for wanting to mislead the truth.

Thats the point lots of people have mad to you. You make up things, you assume things. you ignore things, and you skip over points you can't explain.

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Just show me any evidence that zimmerman did NOT
act in self defense.. The eye witness saw treyvon on top
of zimmerman.. Treyvon had time to run away and time
to get on top of zimmerman but no time to go home? Come on this does not make
sense at all. On tuesday treyvon supporters are going to have a rude awakening.
Any day now they could come out


You don't know what 'evidence' really is, so it would be pointless to have this conversation again.

We'll talk again after zimmerman is charged.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem
I can count 5 just in that little snippet, more then 3 streets.
Can also see numerous side walks that go inbetween the houses,
and where treyvon COULD of ran home if he wanted to.
He didn't he wanted for zimmerman so he could give him
some of his mind, that is where the eye witness comes in
and treyvon is on top of him.




LOL, you can't read a map either.

What are the 5 street names then?

If you are counting Oregon avenue, that is not in the neighborhood. and lets say we count those....that means there are 4 different street names.....notice oregon and S. oregon......so even if you count those .... that still wouldn't be 'many many' streets, and it still wouldn't explain why he didn't know the names of the those few streets.......that he was the 'watch captain' of....


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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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There are three streets. Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees and Long Oak Way.



Oregon Avenue and South Oregon Avenue run outside of the gated subdivision.

Edited to add:



Clearer satellite image:



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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
There are three streets. Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees and Long Oak Way.



Oregon Avenue and South Oregon Avenue run outside of the gated subdivision.


The streets wind around also, good map.

So now seeing this map how could zimmerman know which
way treyvon went if he did not get out to go look
to see which of any of these winding streets treyvon went down?



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
There are three streets. Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees and Long Oak Way.



Oregon Avenue and South Oregon Avenue run outside of the gated subdivision.


The streets wind around also, good map.

So now seeing this map how could zimmerman know which
way treyvon went if he did not get out to go look
to see which of any of these winding streets treyvon went down?


You do know where Zimmerman's SUV was don't you? Treyvon didn't have the multiple options you think he did. A few pages back is another map that shows where Zimmermans SUV was parked and where Treyvon was found.
The point is, that the place Treyvon was found, even if, as you claim, he ambushed Zimmerman, Zimmerman would have had to have come down the sidewalk in the middle of the buildings. By any scenario you want to paint about a Treyvon abush has to have Zimmerman on that sidewalk in the middle of the buildings. Which in no way supports his story of him going back to his truck or not following Treyvon. So the Treyvon ambushed Zimmerman just can not be true, as much as you want it to be, it just can't be based on where Zimmermans SUV was and where treyvon was found.
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by pizzanazi75
You do know where Zimmerman's SUV was don't you? Treyvon didn't have the multiple options you think he did. A few pages back is another map that shows where Zimmermans SUV was parked and where Treyvon was found.
The point is, that the place Treyvon was found, even if, as you claim, he ambushed Zimmerman, Zimmerman would have had to have come down the sidewalk in the middle of the buildings. By any scenario you want to paint about a Treyvon abush has to have Zimmerman on that sidewalk in the middle of the buildings. Which in no way supports his story of him going back to his truck or not following Treyvon. So the Treyvon ambushed Zimmerman just can not be true, as much as you want it to be, it just can't be based on where Zimmermans SUV was and where treyvon was found.
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Forgetting an important point.
Zimmerman could only go down a road with his suv.
Treyvon had many sidewalkes and cut throughs
to run.. Why did he not run straight home if he was so
in fear for his life? treyvon chose not to go home
and chose to face off with zimmerman
his fate was in his own hands..



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
You do know where Zimmerman's SUV was don't you? Treyvon didn't have the multiple options you think he did. A few pages back is another map that shows where Zimmermans SUV was parked and where Treyvon was found.
The point is, that the place Treyvon was found, even if, as you claim, he ambushed Zimmerman, Zimmerman would have had to have come down the sidewalk in the middle of the buildings. By any scenario you want to paint about a Treyvon abush has to have Zimmerman on that sidewalk in the middle of the buildings. Which in no way supports his story of him going back to his truck or not following Treyvon. So the Treyvon ambushed Zimmerman just can not be true, as much as you want it to be, it just can't be based on where Zimmermans SUV was and where treyvon was found.
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Forgetting an important point.
Zimmerman could only go down a road with his suv.
Treyvon had many sidewalkes and cut throughs
to run.. Why did he not run straight home if he was so
in fear for his life? treyvon chose not to go home
and chose to face off with zimmerman
his fate was in his own hands..


You just ignored everything I said.

Anything that is brought up that doesn't match what you believe you counter with 'well Treyvon did this, Why didn't Treyvon do this'.......you don't know what Treyvon did, just like I dont. That is why we have to question every little detail of what Zimmerman says, killing someone is great motivation to lie, I know you don't believe that but it is.

I can't even try anymore.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Anything that is brought up that doesn't match what you believe you counter with 'well Treyvon did this, Why didn't Treyvon do this'.......you don't know what Treyvon did, just like I dont. That is why we have to question every little detail of what Zimmerman says, killing someone is great motivation to lie, I know you don't believe that but it is.

I can't even try anymore.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Anything that is brought up that doesn't match what you believe you counter with 'well Treyvon did this, Why didn't Treyvon do this'.......you don't know what Treyvon did, just like I dont. That is why we have to question every little detail of what Zimmerman says, killing someone is great motivation to lie, I know you don't believe that but it is.


I persoanlly think, with this place having so many
break ins and things happening, the residents
should of all put in 2-3 dollars a month for PAID
security... Why zimmerman had to do this job is
not the best this place could do... I think with this
tragedy the place needs to really think about
putting in trained payed security. Does that make
zimmerman a murderer or treyvon a bad person
NO, terrible incedent and I think it could of been
handled better. by both sides.
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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I persoanlly think, with this place having so many
break ins and things happening, the residents
should of all put in 2-3 dollars a month for PAID
security... Why zimmerman had to do this job is
not the best this place could do... I think with this
tragedy the place needs to really think about
putting in trained payed security.


Congratulations! You'e finally said something that makes sense. Have a star.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
Executed is a kind of strong word


EXECUTED is what he was. Look the word up. If you do not like the word then you must not like the fact that it happened.

....accidentally shot is a better phrase...

Are you #ing retarded?
Even Saint George says he shot Trayvon on purpose, not by accident.


saint trayvon wasn't one really ,he bears some responsibility


Spell it out for me whenever you get back to planet earth because this post makes me think you have no clue what planet you are on.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem
Who spoke to the DA?

I have no clue, and you do?


George's dad.


Show me where his father talked to the DA..


Wait, you just asked who spoke to the DA and then you ask me to show you where GEORGE's DAD spoke to the DA?

Kinda caught yourself up in your own BS. You are pretending you do not know something you are well aware of. Unless it is brain damage? Why else would you ask "who" just before naming who?



Notice how the MSM is zipping their lips now?


Nope. Neither do you. I am not following the media version of this. I never was. Something tells me you are not watching MSNBC or CNN yourself either so you are just saying more random empty things just to say things.


The case against zimmerman as far as we know
with the evidence we have is falling apart..
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Actually the case for murder has simply gotten better and better. Even you have to keep changing your story so much you cannot get anything straight anymore.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem
A dead body is not evidence of a crime.
Next door neighbor died, no police investigation...


I forgot you were special and needed details spelled out for you.
"Other than the body of the kid that just got shot to death."
That help?
And yes, it is evidence. You must be confused between evidence and proof.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by LErickson

Originally posted by popsmayhem
A dead body is not evidence of a crime.
Next door neighbor died, no police investigation...


I forgot you were special and needed details spelled out for you.
"Other than the body of the kid that just got shot to death."
That help?
And yes, it is evidence. You must be confused between evidence and proof.


A dead body in of itself is not evidence of a crime.
Anyways it is evidence of self defense in this case,
that is why he was not arrested or charged. Because
all the evidence lines up with zimmermans story.
The eye witnesses testimony, the bruises, cuts and marks
on zimmerman and his ., the 911 calls.
Certain even someone as thy can agree no murder
was committed which is really what this thread is about.
I am not running away.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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I found this audio clip of the 911 call that captures the scream. It has been slowed down but it is the clearest I have heard yet. That yell for help sure sounds like a youth voice to me. That is my opinion, but based on the experts who have come out and said its not Zimmerman screaming that only leaves Treyvon.

I wish this guy would slow down zimmermans 911 call so we could a slower version of the 'f'ing coons/punks'....because I admit I have heard both, depending on the quality of the audio.

I thought others may be interested. Don't attack me Zimmerman apologist, I am just putting out information that is available so those of us who want to know what really happened can view all available information and sources.

audio



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Please, they got nothing to prove zimmerman did not
act in self defense..


Begging will not help. They actually have quite a bit at this point.


I would never attack an armed man
because he pissed me off.
Or anyone for that matter.
I was taught not to take a knife or fists
to a gun fight. To always think about my actions
because that idiot who pissed me off MIGHT have
a gun. Why if an A hole is one the road honking
giving me the finger, i just let them go by ignore them.


Good for you.


Treyvon could of ignored zimmerman and ran home


Zimmerman could have ignored Martin and not followed him home.


he was not shot in the back.
zimmerman was doing what the police would not.


Shooting kids for walking home?



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by LErickson

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Please, they got nothing to prove zimmerman did not
act in self defense..


Begging will not help. They actually have quite a bit at this point.


I would never attack an armed man
because he pissed me off.
Or anyone for that matter.
I was taught not to take a knife or fists
to a gun fight. To always think about my actions
because that idiot who pissed me off MIGHT have
a gun. Why if an A hole is one the road honking
giving me the finger, i just let them go by ignore them.


Good for you.


Treyvon could of ignored zimmerman and ran home


Zimmerman could have ignored Martin and not followed him home.


he was not shot in the back.
zimmerman was doing what the police would not.


Shooting kids for walking home?


Was it muderder? No
Zimmerman probably should of
ignored treyvon, treyvon should of
ignored zimmerman. Now where this
case lies is there enough evidence to prove
zimmerman did NOT act in self defense,
and I would have to say no..
This thing is coming to a ., if zimmerman
is indicted it is an injustice nobody riots, if he is not
justice is served and people start the civil disobedience
and riots. It is a no win situation for every one.
Why must we take someones life, this has to stop//
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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As of now, but we don't have all the evidence. We aren't conducting the investigation. We are just speculating, based on statements given to reporters, filtered, simplified, then sent back to us through the MSM. The guys conducting the investigation, let out the basics to the press nothing more. Investigation isn't over, case isn't closed, we can speculate all day, which is fine. But there is no sure thing about it, going either way. We can't rule things out just because they're unlikely. We can't rule things in, just because they're likely.



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