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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by DavidWillts
Your point in posting that, is what?
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by popsmayhem
we have something
called the rule of law. It states you need evidence
to charge someone with a crime. If there is no evidence
that a crime has been convicted there is no charge.
SIMPLE AS THAT
So you don't consider a dead body as evidence that a crime may have been committed?
That is only evidence that someone died.
Had a next door neighbor die dead body in the
house the cops never showed up even
just the morgue came to pick them up.
He was 96. So his 90 year old wife needs to stand
trial because YOU want her too?? BS
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by popsmayhem
we have something
called the rule of law. It states you need evidence
to charge someone with a crime. If there is no evidence
that a crime has been convicted there is no charge.
SIMPLE AS THAT
So you don't consider a dead body as evidence that a crime may have been committed?
NO ITS NOT..
That is only evidence that someone died.
Had a next door neighbor die dead body in the
house the cops never showed up even
just the morgue came to pick them up.
He was 96. So his 90 year old wife needs to stand
trial because YOU want her too?? BS
Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion. Zimmerman claims self-defense in the shooting and told police he was the one screaming for help. But these experts say the evidence tells a different story.
Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library's Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match. After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams. "I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.
The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
And the call on which the screams are heard is better quality than is necessary, Owen says. "In our world, that's the home run," he says
"I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by popsmayhem
we have something
called the rule of law. It states you need evidence
to charge someone with a crime. If there is no evidence
that a crime has been convicted there is no charge.
SIMPLE AS THAT
So you don't consider a dead body as evidence that a crime may have been committed?
NO ITS NOT..
That is only evidence that someone died.
Had a next door neighbor die dead body in the
house the cops never showed up even
just the morgue came to pick them up.
He was 96. So his 90 year old wife needs to stand
trial because YOU want her too?? BS
Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
reply to post by spacedog1973
Very interesting, BUT...they haven't tested Trayvon's voice against the tape, so it's yet another less-than-useful piece of information. It's blatant how purposeful and planned the way they're ever so slowly dripping pieces of information but not enough to do any good. It's infuriating! I seriously can't wait for the Grand Jury to convene so we can get a yay or nay on this.
As much as I (reluctantly) admit I find this more fascinating that I'd like to, it's taking up way too much of my time.
Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
reply to post by spacedog1973
Oh, I"m with you. I don't believe it was Zimmerman's voice screaming on the tape but it's frustrating that they have a very good piece of information with that analysis...except they only did one voice, so it's inconclusive, legally speaking.edit on 31-3-2012 by CoherentlyConfused because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DJW001
If the old man had a bullet hole in him, ABSOLUTELY.
Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts
The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by DavidWillts
No it's not.
That still is not evidence of a crime being committed.
Say it was a suicide, he could have a bullet in him,
the cops would check it out
and if it checked out no evidence of foul play, no charges no crime like what
happen here.
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts
The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Oh, how nice, they could only get
zimmermans sample but not treyvons!
Get real, the results reported have a 50/50
chance of being his voice, just like what a guess
is. This is getting silly now. He says it is
not zimmerman on a 50/50?
I WONDER what chance it is treyvons voice maybe 50/50?
Lets ignore the 911 call where the kid
says the guy on top had on a white hoodie.edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by spacedog1973
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts
The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Oh, how nice, they could only get
zimmermans sample but not treyvons!
Get real, the results reported have a 50/50
chance of being his voice, just like what a guess
is. This is getting silly now. He says it is
not zimmerman on a 50/50?
I WONDER what chance it is treyvons voice maybe 50/50?
Lets ignore the 911 call where the kid
says the guy on top had on a white hoodie.edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)
No, you don't know how to read the evidence. It doesn't work like an election. Its either somebody's voice OR it isn't.
90%+ voice match is needed to confirm a readin. GZ matches to 40%. In other words is DOESN'T MATCH. Thats how it works. It doesn't match 50% or ALMOST matches, it doesn't work like that. It either matches or it doesn't
Please note that these are certified experts, they have testified at court before as experts. They have no vested interest or rabid veiwpoint on this issue. They make their judgement based on the facts.
If you dont understand an expert, fine. Just don't presume to contradict them due to your misunderstanding of what it is to be an expert.
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts
The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Oh, how nice, they could only get
zimmermans sample but not treyvons!
Get real, the results reported have a 50/50
chance of being his voice, just like what a guess
is. This is getting silly now. He says it is
not zimmerman on a 50/50?
I WONDER what chance it is treyvons voice maybe 50/50?
Lets ignore the 911 call where the kid
says the guy on top had on a white hoodie.edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Lets forget about a key eyewitness who
was not using software but SAW treyvon
on top of zimmerman and zimmerman screaming for help.
Lets just forget about john who SAW and heard zimmerman
screaming, these morons only used one sample and did not
even sample trayvons voice.
The eyewitness testimony smokes this theoryedit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: l
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Originally posted by spacedog1973
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts
The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Oh, how nice, they could only get
zimmermans sample but not treyvons!
Get real, the results reported have a 50/50
chance of being his voice, just like what a guess
is. This is getting silly now. He says it is
not zimmerman on a 50/50?
I WONDER what chance it is treyvons voice maybe 50/50?
Lets ignore the 911 call where the kid
says the guy on top had on a white hoodie.edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)
No, you don't know how to read the evidence. It doesn't work like an election. Its either somebody's voice OR it isn't.
90%+ voice match is needed to confirm a readin. GZ matches to 40%. In other words is DOESN'T MATCH. Thats how it works. It doesn't match 50% or ALMOST matches, it doesn't work like that. It either matches or it doesn't
Please note that these are certified experts, they have testified at court before as experts. They have no vested interest or rabid veiwpoint on this issue. They make their judgement based on the facts.
If you dont understand an expert, fine. Just don't presume to contradict them due to your misunderstanding of what it is to be an expert.
Lets forget about a key eyewitness who
was not using software but SAW treyvon
on top of zimmerman and zimmerman screaming for help.
Lets just forget about john who SAW and heard zimmerman
screaming, these morons only used one sample and did not
even sample trayvons voice.
The eyewitness testimony smokes this theoryedit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: l