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Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by DavidWillts
 


Your point in posting that, is what?


It was tereyvons twitter feed, i thought it was funny




posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by popsmayhem
 



we have something
called the rule of law. It states you need evidence
to charge someone with a crime. If there is no evidence
that a crime has been convicted there is no charge.
SIMPLE AS THAT


So you don't consider a dead body as evidence that a crime may have been committed?


NO ITS NOT..

That is only evidence that someone died.
Had a next door neighbor die dead body in the
house the cops never showed up even
just the morgue came to pick them up.
He was 96. So his 90 year old wife needs to stand
trial because YOU want her too?? BS



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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reply to post by DavidWillts
 


No it's not.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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reply to post by popsmayhem
 



That is only evidence that someone died.
Had a next door neighbor die dead body in the
house the cops never showed up even
just the morgue came to pick them up.
He was 96. So his 90 year old wife needs to stand
trial because YOU want her too?? BS


If the old man had a bullet hole in him, ABSOLUTELY.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by popsmayhem
 



we have something
called the rule of law. It states you need evidence
to charge someone with a crime. If there is no evidence
that a crime has been convicted there is no charge.
SIMPLE AS THAT


So you don't consider a dead body as evidence that a crime may have been committed?


NO ITS NOT..

That is only evidence that someone died.
Had a next door neighbor die dead body in the
house the cops never showed up even
just the morgue came to pick them up.
He was 96. So his 90 year old wife needs to stand
trial because YOU want her too?? BS


Did they find her standing over him with a gun? Apples and Oranges.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts


Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion. Zimmerman claims self-defense in the shooting and told police he was the one screaming for help. But these experts say the evidence tells a different story.



Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library's Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match. After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams. "I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.



The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.



And the call on which the screams are heard is better quality than is necessary, Owen says. "In our world, that's the home run," he says



"I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."




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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by popsmayhem
 



we have something
called the rule of law. It states you need evidence
to charge someone with a crime. If there is no evidence
that a crime has been convicted there is no charge.
SIMPLE AS THAT


So you don't consider a dead body as evidence that a crime may have been committed?


NO ITS NOT..

That is only evidence that someone died.
Had a next door neighbor die dead body in the
house the cops never showed up even
just the morgue came to pick them up.
He was 96. So his 90 year old wife needs to stand
trial because YOU want her too?? BS


Its evidence that someone was killed, not died. That is the difference which you seem to struggle with understanding The basic details of this case seem to be beyond your ability to process. Thats not an insult, just the cold hard truth.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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reply to post by spacedog1973
 


Very interesting, BUT...they haven't tested Trayvon's voice against the tape, so it's yet another less-than-useful piece of information. It's blatant how purposeful and planned the way they're ever so slowly dripping pieces of information but not enough to do any good and keep people bickering. It's infuriating! I seriously can't wait for the Grand Jury to convene so we can get a yay or nay on this.

As much as I (reluctantly) admit I find this more fascinating that I'd like to, it's taking up way too much of my time.
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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
reply to post by spacedog1973
 


Very interesting, BUT...they haven't tested Trayvon's voice against the tape, so it's yet another less-than-useful piece of information. It's blatant how purposeful and planned the way they're ever so slowly dripping pieces of information but not enough to do any good. It's infuriating! I seriously can't wait for the Grand Jury to convene so we can get a yay or nay on this.

As much as I (reluctantly) admit I find this more fascinating that I'd like to, it's taking up way too much of my time.


We know there were two people involved. One screamed. If its not one, then logic states that its the other. There's no need to look for a more complex answer than the one already presented. Its a sure bet that the other voice will be Trayvon's.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Oh, I"m with you. I don't believe it was Zimmerman's voice screaming on the tape but it's frustrating that they have a very good piece of information with that analysis...except they only did one voice, so it's inconclusive, legally speaking.
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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
reply to post by spacedog1973
 


Oh, I"m with you. I don't believe it was Zimmerman's voice screaming on the tape but it's frustrating that they have a very good piece of information with that analysis...except they only did one voice, so it's inconclusive, legally speaking.
edit on 31-3-2012 by CoherentlyConfused because: (no reason given)


Most people who have spoke in front of the media are presenting inadmissible evidence. (GZ's Friend Oliver, His father and brother) But the parents no doubt will provide audio for any expert to analyse. GZ stated that it was HIM screaming, now it has been proved it was not. Have no doubt that this can be repeated by any other expert. The initial story that GZ presented, falls apart everyday. I can't think of a single thing that he has stated that has not been disproved. From broken nose, to being jumped at his car, now, to his screaming.

This is looking less and less like an accidental killing, to a cold blooded murder.
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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001

If the old man had a bullet hole in him, ABSOLUTELY.


That still is not evidence of a crime being committed.
Say it was a suicide, he could have a bullet in him,
the cops would check it out
and if it checked out no evidence of foul play, no charges no crime like what
happen here.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts


The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.



Oh, how nice, they could only get
zimmermans sample but not treyvons!
Get real, the results reported have a 50/50
chance of being his voice, just like what a guess
is. This is getting silly now. He says it is
not zimmerman on a 50/50?
I WONDER what chance it is treyvons voice maybe 50/50?
Lets ignore the 911 call where the kid
says the guy on top had on a white hoodie.
edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by DavidWillts
 


No it's not.


oh please, its hilarious and barely English.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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reply to post by popsmayhem
 



That still is not evidence of a crime being committed.
Say it was a suicide, he could have a bullet in him,
the cops would check it out
and if it checked out no evidence of foul play, no charges no crime like what
happen here.


Are you saying that you think Martin committed suicide?!?!?!



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts


The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.



Oh, how nice, they could only get
zimmermans sample but not treyvons!
Get real, the results reported have a 50/50
chance of being his voice, just like what a guess
is. This is getting silly now. He says it is
not zimmerman on a 50/50?
I WONDER what chance it is treyvons voice maybe 50/50?
Lets ignore the 911 call where the kid
says the guy on top had on a white hoodie.
edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)


No, you don't know how to read the evidence. It doesn't work like an election. Its either somebody's voice OR it isn't.

90%+ voice match is needed to confirm a readin. GZ matches to 40%. In other words is DOESN'T MATCH. Thats how it works. It doesn't match 50% or ALMOST matches, it doesn't work like that. It either matches or it doesn't

Please note that these are certified experts, they have testified at court before as experts. They have no vested interest or rabid veiwpoint on this issue. They make their judgement based on the facts.

If you dont understand an expert, fine. Just don't presume to contradict them due to your misunderstanding of what it is to be an expert.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by spacedog1973

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts


The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.



Oh, how nice, they could only get
zimmermans sample but not treyvons!
Get real, the results reported have a 50/50
chance of being his voice, just like what a guess
is. This is getting silly now. He says it is
not zimmerman on a 50/50?
I WONDER what chance it is treyvons voice maybe 50/50?
Lets ignore the 911 call where the kid
says the guy on top had on a white hoodie.
edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)


No, you don't know how to read the evidence. It doesn't work like an election. Its either somebody's voice OR it isn't.

90%+ voice match is needed to confirm a readin. GZ matches to 40%. In other words is DOESN'T MATCH. Thats how it works. It doesn't match 50% or ALMOST matches, it doesn't work like that. It either matches or it doesn't

Please note that these are certified experts, they have testified at court before as experts. They have no vested interest or rabid veiwpoint on this issue. They make their judgement based on the facts.

If you dont understand an expert, fine. Just don't presume to contradict them due to your misunderstanding of what it is to be an expert.



Lets forget about a key eyewitness who
was not using software but SAW treyvon
on top of zimmerman and zimmerman screaming for help.
Lets just forget about john who SAW and heard zimmerman
screaming, these morons only used one sample and did not
even sample trayvons voice.
The eyewitness testimony smokes this theory
edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: l



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts


The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.



Oh, how nice, they could only get
zimmermans sample but not treyvons!
Get real, the results reported have a 50/50
chance of being his voice, just like what a guess
is. This is getting silly now. He says it is
not zimmerman on a 50/50?
I WONDER what chance it is treyvons voice maybe 50/50?
Lets ignore the 911 call where the kid
says the guy on top had on a white hoodie.
edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)


How do you shoot someone from a horizontal position with them on top of you, you on bottom, shoot them in the chest and not get any blood on your shirt or any other clothing or body? And how do you get out from under that person you just shot and leave them remaining face down with his hands under him? Please explain.

You are picking and choosing what you want to believe. You are not looking at all the evidence presented. Sure if you look at certain isolated things you could say zimmerman is guilt free....but when you look at everything that has come out and been presented so far it is clear that zimmermans account is not what happened that night.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Lets forget about a key eyewitness who
was not using software but SAW treyvon
on top of zimmerman and zimmerman screaming for help.
Lets just forget about john who SAW and heard zimmerman
screaming, these morons only used one sample and did not
even sample trayvons voice.
The eyewitness testimony smokes this theory
edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: l


Maybe you don't understand that evidence is rated.
Evidence presented at court comes in various flavours. Witness testimony is one of the poorest forms of evidence available. This is a FACT. Whether you believe this or not is a FACT.

Scientific evidence trumps witness evidence. Scientific evidence cans be things like this analysis. If someone sees something that it contradicted by scientific evidence, guess what? The witness testimony is basically cast aside. Why? because the human eye, ear and memory is not perfect and makes simple mistakes all the time.

There are a number of witnesses that contradict each other. Do you think some of them are lying? Its more likely that they are telling the truth HOW THEY RECALL IT. Therein lies the problem with witness testimony; its a reliable as the witnesses senses. That may have no baring on the truth at all.

So if you wish to refer to the witnesses, you have to discount the scientific evidence first. Because in a court, thats how will be presented. No lawyer in his right mind will try to counter scientific evidence with witness testimony.

Thats the reality



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by spacedog1973

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by spacedog1973
Not the voice of zimmerman Screaming say two experts


The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.



Oh, how nice, they could only get
zimmermans sample but not treyvons!
Get real, the results reported have a 50/50
chance of being his voice, just like what a guess
is. This is getting silly now. He says it is
not zimmerman on a 50/50?
I WONDER what chance it is treyvons voice maybe 50/50?
Lets ignore the 911 call where the kid
says the guy on top had on a white hoodie.
edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)


No, you don't know how to read the evidence. It doesn't work like an election. Its either somebody's voice OR it isn't.

90%+ voice match is needed to confirm a readin. GZ matches to 40%. In other words is DOESN'T MATCH. Thats how it works. It doesn't match 50% or ALMOST matches, it doesn't work like that. It either matches or it doesn't

Please note that these are certified experts, they have testified at court before as experts. They have no vested interest or rabid veiwpoint on this issue. They make their judgement based on the facts.

If you dont understand an expert, fine. Just don't presume to contradict them due to your misunderstanding of what it is to be an expert.



Lets forget about a key eyewitness who
was not using software but SAW treyvon
on top of zimmerman and zimmerman screaming for help.
Lets just forget about john who SAW and heard zimmerman
screaming, these morons only used one sample and did not
even sample trayvons voice.
The eyewitness testimony smokes this theory
edit on 31-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: l


Lets not forget about the key witness the girlfriend who says that Zimmerman cornered Treyvon.

They didn't have a sample of Treyvon to use...if they had they would have sampled it. You must not have read the article or didn't comprehend it.

'John' heard someone ask for help, he beleves it was zimmerman, just like mary curtcher and the retired teacher believe it was treyvon....during a fight how would he know which person was calling for help? Did he know Zimmerman already to know his voice? 'John' also then ran into his house...up the stairs to call 911.....so he didn't see what happened in that time period...so even if he saw treyvon of top at one point that doesn't mean that is where he was when he was killed ... and it in no way indicates treyvon started the altercation.....he did not see the start of the altercation....he only saw bit and pieces during the fight. He has pieces but not the complete story. Thats why we take all the eye witness accounts and put them all together....not just one.

And if Zimmerman was screaming for help before the gunshot why did he not continue to scream for help? He still needed help right? He just shot someone....why didn't he call 911 back and tell them? Why didn't he try CPR or anything on Treyvon.....Ill tell you why...in his mind he took care of 'the problem'....if it was zimmermans screaming he would have continued screaming....but since it was treyvon screaming it makes sense that it stops right after the gunshot.
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