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Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:09 AM
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The agenda here isn't to start a race war, its to remove the “stand your ground” law.
People have been using “stand your ground” to egg people into a confrontation, then after they get attacked, shoot the person claiming self defense.




posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:14 AM
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The agenda here isn't to start a race war, its to remove the “stand your ground” law.


I think their is more to the MSM agenda than what you offered in what you said above...

Especially when you have Geraldo making stupid comments about 'Hoodies'
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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:14 AM
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I still think there is a civil suit case here. Neighborhood watchmen are not supposed to carry guns.

The MSM has pushed this story, I fell for it. Still there are a lot of facts that we don't know. Sure one can argue they want to stir up race tensions, but if there is an agenda I do believe in it is an anti-gun agenda. There have been many anti-gun posts already here on ATS, and anti-gun enthusiasts are all over the MSM blogs. Sadly it serves Holder and Obama's anti-gun agenda much better if charges are not filed against Zimmerman, regardless if he was justified. The perception that our gun laws are too lenient is already out there because of this case.

Defcon5- your post wasn't up when i started typing. Good to know others are thinking the same way
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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by KonquestAbySS


My thoughts would be "Would something like that make NEWS to begin with, or will it be swept under the rug like other murders that occur in the U.S. on a daily.




Well this murder did happen like a month ago... and it's only because of the tireless efforts of friends, family and others supporting the family and raising awareness that anyone (media included) is even talking about it.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:22 AM
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Yeah well regardless the MSM is pushing it too far as if they would want something to occur, especially if it is diverting the masses from the economic issue.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by jrod
I still think there is a civil suit case here. Neighborhood watchmen are not supposed to carry guns.

We're talking about Florida here. You got a pulse, you can get a carry and conceal permit.
Years ago there was some guy robbing a restaurant, and something like three or four old folks all pulled out guns and shot him.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
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Yeah well regardless the MSM is pushing it too far as if they would want something to occur, especially if it is diverting the masses from the economic issue.




The same can be said for any story... this story is just the FOTM and will soon disappear, the always do.
It's how the MSM work.

They bombard you with what's "popular" at the time and then drop it when the next big story comes along.


Maybe there's a conspiracy... I don't know, but it seems to me it's just the MSM doing what the MSM does.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:30 AM
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Maybe there's a conspiracy...
I don't know, but it seems to me it's just the MSM doing what the MSM does.


The MSM is a conspiracy. I think this won't go away as quick as people think it should. What the MSM does is what the MSM will continue doing, and that is spreading the poison among the masses.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:36 AM
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Oh of course, the MSM, AKA "The fourth Branch of the government" is absolutely poisonous, I'm not denying that.

They all have their agenda and they avoid so many real issues and important stories and just report crap.


I can't stand them.


They lie, fabricate stories, twist facts... use blatant propaganda and continually try and dupe the public.


I agree.


As I said, this may well be a conspiracy, it may be the the MSM are trying to incite a race war, they have been trying to incite a class war and religious war for sometime... so it wouldn't surprise me.

Just saying that I'm not 100% convinced just yet.

I'm in the UK and although we have had this story on the news, It's obviously not as frequent and as played as it is over there.

So not sure if you're being bombarded with it 24/7 or what?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 05:38 AM
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Here we go again… We know who THEY want to blame. We all know who THEY will say is guilty. It doesn’t make any difference what happened or what the proof, witnesses or 911 show. Its scared whitey, as soon as Al and Jesse show up with Geraldo (who used to be American till his career was tanking) (not that it’s much better now the he’s Mexican) they will offer a sacrifice, Zimmerman! You can see all the scared whiteys here trying to show their not a racist so they go to the other extreme. I bet they would tell you "hey I'm not racist, I got a freind who's black". Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 06:14 AM
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BULLSH*T.

There are so many things wrong with this fake account I cannot begin to tell you. The police like to pull this crap all the time when they get caught or are on the verge of getting caught. It's not going to work this time.

Justice for Zimmerman my @$$.

1. PHONE RECORDS of Trayvons GF correspond with her account.
2. Where is the time stamp for the 911 call from Zims
3. The childs body was not positioned near a street or any curb where a car could be located, but rather right next to neighbors homes. Zims was not going back to his car.
4. That voice is that of a child. Not a man. That mother knows her own childs voice
5.The Department of Justice will interview this fake "Call me John" witness and when he get's asked real questions by REAL law enforcement because Florida has proven they are corrupt and incompetent fools, then we will see what kind of "witness' he really is.

This is not gonna be one of those "gather up Klan and come up with a story to refute this one because we need to stick together" kind of story. It's over. Justice will be served. Not only to Zims, but to the lying and corrupt cops who have tried to cover this whole thing up from day one. Better hope you can't be traced back to this latest propaganda.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by redrose123
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Sounds like nothing more than MSM propaganda. It has been apparent at least to some that everything else has failed in creating riots in the US . There is now an attempt to cause race riots. It has been the same leftist, communist groups pushing this to the max. Don't forget the Obama commercial calling on the blacks to get behind his campaign even going as far as calling for church captains. The thing that bothers me the most is the hypocrisy. This administration has been involved and perpetrated the deaths of how many people? How many innocent black boys that would have looked like his son? Anyone who believes that the people behind this pushed agenda cares about innocent lives black or otherwise is completely delusional.


There's even more. Turns out his father was one of the top lawyers in the state and spent time with the supreme court of Virginia. His mom did as well. If he is arrested, his father would likely get involved as the lawyer and things could get ugly. Not saying I agree, but that could be the county police's line of thinking.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by GhettoRice
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I cal major BS on this

www.nbcmiami.com...

www.huffingtonpost.com...

abcnews.go.com...

www.slate.com...

nymag.com...

www.washingtonpost.com...


I have to say to the OP you are NOT "Denying Ignorance"
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What a joke your links are....all from the biased lamestream media or Progressive website blogs.

Thanks to them, we know more about Zimmerman and the victim than about Barack Hussein Obama.
edit on 3/24/2012 by DCPatriot because: further clarity.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 06:30 AM
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The fact that so many things have been misrepresented in this case leads me to wonder if the media at least aren't trying to fulfill some kind of agenda with this.
#1) Why do they only show older pictures of Trayvon?
#2) Why was the testimony of several witnesses not taken?
#3) Why did Obama have to say that "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon"? WTH? Is he saying black people all look alike? Seriously? Or is he trying to create sympathy for the purported victim?

I can't make any judgments about who did what between Zimmerman and Martin but the circus going on after the shooting certainly leads one to wonder. Are we going down the same road we did with the Tawana Brawley case?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 06:33 AM
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From the UK's perspective what has happened here is quite simply wrong. All this speculation in the public and in the media (about who did what and to whom) would be wholly unnecessary if the local legislation did not permit the police to be judge and jury as well.

An unarmed kid was killed - and that warrants no court proceedings? Innocent until proven guilty - that should be determined in a court of law not by gossip and hearsay.
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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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Your statement comes from a huffington post artical on a meeting called after the shooting.These were people that were not from the area.If you had read the artical and not taken just what you wanted you would have read a board member of the assocation said until the shooting we have had no complaints about Zimmerman.The problem is that true or not why have all the MSM chossen to ignore this witness.There are alsao reports of a 13 year old that comfirms the witness;s statement ,I have been unable to find a source as of yet.I reported the witness with source to above top seceret yesterday.Also in the CNN interview with Frank a friend if you listen close to the begining you can catch part of a statement where Zimmerman prevented a break in days before the shooting.Cnn almost edited it out.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 06:52 AM
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I feel this thread kinda backpedaled with people bringing back the race issue....Zimmerman being half hispanic and having black family members and friends rules out the hate crime. People making it a race discussion are just fueling unecessary fire.


Originally posted by Asktheanimals
The fact that so many things have been misrepresented in this case leads me to wonder if the media at least aren't trying to fulfill some kind of agenda with this.
#1) Why do they only show older pictures of Trayvon?
#2) Why was the testimony of several witnesses not taken?
#3) Why did Obama have to say that "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon"? WTH? Is he saying black people all look alike? Seriously? Or is he trying to create sympathy for the purported victim?


I've given the picture issue a thought, there's no agenda behind the younger picture of Martin. Simply put, it was probably the most recent ''physical'' picture his parents could provide. Everything is digital now...any other recent pictures are probably Facebook pictures. Now we all know how young people tend to pose and how those pictures are for the most part goofy.

Imagine if this whole thing happened to your kid and some random facebook picture of him posing like a thug ended up on the news?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
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pops, you are one of the most hardcore propaganda posters on ATS, and now you expect us to believe you in this case? I mean look at yourself, getting so wrapped up in this story... I'm sorry to say but you appear to be losing the plot.


Believe the lies being fed to you..

I offer the opposing view.

I offer you the truth..

The witness has no reason to lie, what everyone
is going on about IS HEARSAY...
The cops would of have arrested zimmerman if it did not all add up.
The ONLY EVIDENCE that is solid, is the witness
who saw and heard it all unfold, and zimmermans word.

Zimmerman does not have to prove he did not commit
murder/ They have to prove he did, they can not.
If they could they would of locked him up long time ago..

The media since the beginning has lied about this story,
so if me bringing you a REAL account of what really happened
if that is going to get me called everyname in the book SO BE IT like propagandist??..
THE TRUTH WILL BE KNOW AND I WILL STAND BY IT

ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT NOW PROVE HE IS NOT.

Zimmerman acted in self defense, quit trying to hang yourselves
a *white boy*...


If it is true, it ain't propaganda///
Even read the OP, and see what the first
eye account witness has to say?
Keep listening to hearsay i'll keep bringing truth.
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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 06:55 AM
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Considering how stand your ground works, Zimmerman is lucky he isn't dead. sad though that Treyvon "stood his ground" and ended up dead for it. I look forward to see what a jury trial revels about this mess.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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By Trayvon's girlfriends statement,all Zimmerman did was ask a question.At that point a scuffle started.The next witness puts Trayvon on top of Zimmerman.Is asking a question chasing,hunting,or aggresive behavior?No it is simpily looking out for your neighbor hood.



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