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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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reply to post by TheBandit795
 


but did he start off with the intention of killing him? i dont think so




posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by spacedog1973
 


you could perceive someone smashing your head off the ground as a deadly threat. How does zimmerman know when he's going to stop?

in crazy bonkers america where they let anyone run around with guns i'm surprised there's not more incidents like this.


You can't have someone 'smashing your head off the ground' and have no injuries. At some point you have to look at the evidence to back up statements or they become irrelevent.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by FoxMulder91
 


They can't explain it, they keep pointing to the police report instead of the images that clearly show he was not bloodied or bruised in the slightest bit. But then again, the police is KNOWN for these tactics and these pro-murderer posters are also KNOWN for their racist tendencies and bigotry(just look at their post history).

This thread is evidence that racists and bigots stick together and that truth or reason does not change their minds. Something else MUST.


You must be trying to troll huh? Good try. Wait until the evidence is all released before you go accusing people of racism and bigotry. The shooter was not white but was hispanic. You are trying to stir people up with those insensitive comments. Go back to youtube if you want to do that.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by yuppa

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by FoxMulder91
 


They can't explain it, they keep pointing to the police report instead of the images that clearly show he was not bloodied or bruised in the slightest bit. But then again, the police is KNOWN for these tactics and these pro-murderer posters are also KNOWN for their racist tendencies and bigotry(just look at their post history).

This thread is evidence that racists and bigots stick together and that truth or reason does not change their minds. Something else MUST.


You must be trying to troll huh? Good try. Wait until the evidence is all released before you go accusing people of racism and bigotry. The shooter was not white but was hispanic. You are trying to stir people up with those insensitive comments. Go back to youtube if you want to do that.


The shooter being Hispanic doesn't mean it can't be racially motivated. How many time does this need to be explained.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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So has Zimmerman been arrested yet?

Haven't read the thread a in few days?

What was the talk of this video that police have too, Apparently shows that Zimmerman's account may not be all he says it is?

Any help would be great.

Cheers


ETA:

BH, I love your avatar BTW


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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
So has Zimmerman been arrested yet?


See my avatar for arrest updates. Until Zimmerman is arrested, Jaia wears the hoodie.



What was the talk of this video that police have too, Apparently shows that Zimmerman's account may not be all he says it is?


The video is of the night of the shooting. It's not extremely clear, so it's hard to tell Zimmerman's condition. A police car brings Zimmerman into the parking area and police escort him into the building. There are no obvious signs of injury to his nose or to the back of his bald head. No blood. His jacket and clothes look unruffled and clean.



BH, I love your avatar BTW


Thanks. It's his way of showing support.

edit on 3/30/2012 by Benevolent Heretic because: grammar



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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well if your on the ground screaming for help i think its at the point where TM could have backed off and if nobody is helping he's entitled to go for his gun.

If TM knocked him to the ground theres no need to get on top of him

why didnt TM call the police when he noticed he was being followed He had his phone why didnt he use it?

There's a lot of criticism of zimmerman being a stupid vigilante but it looks like TM was of the same mindset and took the law into his own hands.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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OK thanks very much BH, much appreciated.

Someone did link me to an article but I didn't read it and now I can't find it.




I saw this picture on a site though and thought I'd post here, sorry if it's been posted.





posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Zimmerman should be arrested, and put on trial. If he's found guilty then he should get life in prison or the death penalty.


Why because of public opinion?


No. Not because of public opinion. Because that's the way our legal system works.


the american legal system is working. Just not how you want it this time..
you guys got breitbart!!



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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You are giving rent-a-cops a bad name. He was not even a trained security officer. He was a self appointed stalker with a gun.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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You must be trying to troll huh?


Right...my post containing no racism is trolling...while the other thousand + 1 racist posts are not trolling. Nice glasses you got on.


Wait until the evidence is all released before you go accusing people of racism and bigotry.


You should look up peoples post history since you don't seem to have the memory I have.


The shooter was not white but was hispanic. You are trying to stir people up with those insensitive comments. Go back to youtube if you want to do that.


First of all, if you don't believe there aren't any racists/bigots RIGHT NOW ON ATS, using this story to further their own agendas(racist/borderline nazi websites have been cited as sources) then you and I have nothing to discuss.

Second of all, it's not an insensitive comment, it is a very apt comment seeing as how there are over a 100 pages in this thread, each page containing underhand racist remarks or insinuations. Then there are tens if not hundreds of threads like this one, all containing underhand racist remarks or insinuations.

Third of all, I really dislike the youtube comment section.

Besides, it's clear to me it's murder. You might need a lil' more life experience to see such things though.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by spacedog1973
 


well if your on the ground screaming for help i think its at the point where TM could have backed off and if nobody is helping he's entitled to go for his gun.

If TM knocked him to the ground theres no need to get on top of him

why didnt TM call the police when he noticed he was being followed He had his phone why didnt he use it?

There's a lot of criticism of zimmerman being a stupid vigilante but it looks like TM was of the same mindset and took the law into his own hands.
edit on 30-3-2012 by yeti101 because: (no reason given)


Good point I never thought of, but if you knew the person that was attacking you had a gun wouldn't you make damn sure that they couldn't use it on you? In other words, make sure that they would not be able to get back up and chase you down.

I do agree they are both at fault and used bad judgement, but only one is still living... You can say sorry for beating someone up with your fists, but can you take back a bullet that was shot from a gun?

Knowing IMO they used bad judgement, wouldn't you expect someone that comes from a law enforcing home and morals know better? The kid (TM) was a average teen by the looks, and I'm sure not too many teens are that mature...



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by takaris7
reply to post by braindeadconservatives
 


You are giving rent-a-cops a bad name. He was not even a trained security officer. He was a self appointed stalker with a gun.


Maybe and maybe no but for one thing that does not make him a murderer



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by spacedog1973
 


well if your on the ground screaming for help i think its at the point where TM could have backed off and if nobody is helping he's entitled to go for his gun.


We don't know WHO was screaming for help. Both parents say they recognize their son.


If TM knocked him to the ground theres no need to get on top of him


In a fight, people roll around on the ground. Witnesses say that Zimmerman got up from on top.


I would have to say it would be the larger man because after the larger man got off, then there was a boy – obviously now dead – on the ground facing down.


Zimmerman was on top


why didnt TM call the police when he noticed he was being followed He had his phone why didnt he use it?


We don't know that he didn't call the police. All evidence isn't out. However, not calling the police is not evidence of anything. I doubt that TM thought he was going to be killed. Failing to call the police is indicative of nothing. Its like saying, ' Why didn't she call the police if she thought she was being followed?' Ask yourself what type of person would say that following a rape for example.


There's a lot of criticism of zimmerman being a stupid vigilante but it looks like TM was of the same mindset and took the law into his own hands.
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TM can't have the same mindest as a vigilante obviously. There was one neighbourhood watch person. The other was a student. There was one person sacked for being to aggressive. The other wasn't sacked. 'Vigilante' only fits the description of one character.


"He had a temper and he became a liability. "One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted. "It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out."


Sacke d for aggression

Stop. Making. Excuses. for. the. Shooter.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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And to add, the police report states that he was bleeding from the back of his head and nose. It doesn't say how bad he was bleeding. People are saying 'well the police report backs up zimmermans story of self defense because look at the police report, it says he was bleeding'.....it could have been a scratch that was bleeding, for example. If he shot him while he was under him, having his face bashed in and head beaten to the concrete, then 1, he would have, at minimum Trayvon's blood on him from shooting him from so close and with Treyvon on top of him....no blood on his clothes 40 mins after shooting.....2. and there would also be blood on the sidewalk, which of course the police would have taken pictures of....where are those pictures? The police are looking pretty bad right now, if that type of evidence existed it would have been leaked to help their image at the least.

Another comment board someone put it perfect. Zimmerman escalated the situation from the very minute he called 911. He had already presumed that Trayvon was up to no good, which it appears he was not. So in Zimmermans mind the situation had already escalated to him pursuing a criminal, instead of the reality of him stalking a teenage boy walking to his fathers fiance's house with some candy and a drink talking to a girl he probably liked. Zimmerman had a need to be a part of crime fighting....his mind was seeing the reality in a very heightened sense, that was completely unwarranted. Zimmerman thought he finally was gonna catch a criminal and be hero...hence the 'these a holes always get away'.....he was thinking 'not on my watch, not tonight'....he had escalated a non situation that he had been advised to let the police handle.

He needs to be charged and be judged by a jury of his peers. I anxiously await that day.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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do you think zimmerman attacked TM?



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Another comment board someone put it perfect. Zimmerman escalated the situation from the very minute he called 911. He had already presumed that Trayvon was up to no good, which it appears he was not.


and Trayvon running away and hiding would reinforce in zimmermans mind that he was up to no good. If TM turned round and said to zimmerman " I'm not looking for any trouble I just want to talk" then conversed in a civilized manner about the situation it could have been avoided.
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posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by pizzanazi75
 




Another comment board someone put it perfect. Zimmerman escalated the situation from the very minute he called 911. He had already presumed that Trayvon was up to no good, which it appears he was not.


and Trayvon running away and hiding would reinforce in zimmermans mind that he was up to no good. If TM turned round and said to zimmerman " I'm not looking for any trouble I just want to talk" then conversed in a civilized manner about the situation it could have been avoided.
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Translation:

If TM obeyed a private citizen who had racially profiled him as a criminal, stopped to speak to him and answer his questions, then he would be alive. Therefore Zimmerman was right to kill him.

Do you know how messed up that sounds.



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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On the ground facing down? So how was it that TM was the aggressor if he was face down when Zimmer got up?

So does that mean TM was shot in the back? Last I heard the medical examiner said that he saw ZERO marks on TM's hands (meaning he was not fighting anyone), and the only injury was the shot wound...

Now to the OP


According to CBS News, Sanford police officers interviewed at least six witnesses in the wake of the killing. None saw the beginning of the fight, or the gunshot, according to CBS News. But their stories, compared with the hard evidence generated by attempting to answer the previous questions, could provide a context bearing on what happened.


If no one saw the beginning of the fight, and therefore can not determine who started the altercation... where is your smoking gun???



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
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Right...my post containing no racism is trolling...while the other thousand + 1 racist posts are not trolling. Nice glasses you got on.




You should look up peoples post history since you don't seem to have the memory I have.




First of all, if you don't believe there aren't any racists/bigots RIGHT NOW ON ATS, using this story to further their own agendas(racist/borderline nazi websites have been cited as sources) then you and I have nothing to discuss.

Second of all, it's not an insensitive comment, it is a very apt comment seeing as how there are over a 100 pages in this thread, each page containing underhand racist remarks or insinuations. Then there are tens if not hundreds of threads like this one, all containing underhand racist remarks or insinuations.

Third of all, I really dislike the youtube comment section.

Besides, it's clear to me it's murder. You might need a lil' more life experience to see such things though.


If its already clear to you its murder then you have already convicted a man who has not even had a trial and thats hipocritical. Is it racist to wait until all evidence is presented or a decision is made on wheter it even get tried? Oh and i am 35 yrs old and have learned wait till the facts are in otherwise you look really stupid.Yeah im legally blind without my glasses as well LOL! I have a question though. If your opinion has changed from the past how does past post history play into the current time? Opinions and views can change.



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