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The Truth About Matter and the Material World

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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Listen to Nessun dorma on repeat enough times... Eventually it'll take you there.




posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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"It does not require many words to speak the truth." -Chief Joseph (Nez Pierce)



en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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I'm just about done with the op calling the real science nonsense while spewing nonsensical babble. OP PLEASE SEE en.wikipedia.org...



for a given skill, incompetent people will: tend to overestimate their own level of skill
fail to recognize genuine skill in others
fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy
recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill


It explains your inability to accept other peoples critiques while spouting off fantasy based science which you claim to have come from research you're working on. I'm sorry but I think you should be researching psychologists for your enormous convoluted views of self genius all while being unable to communicate, take critique, learn from others.
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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by Americanist
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The dynamic processing of information you've relayed is commonly referred to as multiple personality disorder. Our brains create filters/ egos ahead of the subconsciousness to organize more effectively. In most cases the connections are seamless. For the less fortunate, those same filters/ egos stage a particular life of their own. In almost all cases the latter is brought on by extreme situations. The "reach" is a culmination of understanding often induced by the relaxation of giving where harmony receives a greater influx.


What I described is how your brain works. Period. Not dissociative identity disorder (newer term for multiple personality disorder). The Greeks referred to the mind as the observer, and knew that while it was a product of the brain, it was the not the brain itself. The brain is the corporeal event. The mind (when examining how the human brain works) is the hybrid event/information trajectory that is created by the brain to facilitate larger multi-assembly survival requirements that the DNA directives are not capable of managing. This isn't anything new. This is very old science. Maybe describing it in this manner is new to you, but any biologist would immediately recognize the truth in how I depicted how the brain works and why it exists.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist
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"It does not require many words to speak the truth." -Chief Joseph (Nez Pierce)



en.wikipedia.org...
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If this were true, the truth would be ubiquitous. We've been buried under 6,000 years of intellectual elites firmly convinced that if the average person knew what was true about humanity and its place within the confines of this one reality that the truth itself would be in grave danger. They built myths and allegories to filter out the people who they believed lacked the required sophistication to even comprehend the basics, and allowed those who never even found enough interest to examine those myths and allegories to invent religions around them. Maybe they were right about their contemporaries, but we're not contemporaries of those ancient intellectual elites. We're at least as sophisticated in our thinking as they were, and so now it's time for what they believed that they knew to be presented to the entire world.

The hard part is that to do so requires that the layers of myth and allegory - that have become the traditional "spiritual" wisdoms that have been taught and treasured for thousands of years - be peeled back and set aside before the accurate translations can be seen for what they are, and viewed in the same manner that the ancient elites viewed them originally. And that's going to take a hell of a lot of words.

What's also true is that a mulit-trillion dollar global industry has thrived on people continuing to worship these myths and allegories as "holy" and "sacred", when originally, there were no such qualities until the ancient elites invented them to keep the uninitiated from peeking under the tent folds. So, it may end up being the case that this planet's load of human beings are doomed to perpetual ignorance, but I see no reason to not try and affect that plausible outcome to even a small degree. After all, in exchange for learning what I've learned, all I promised was to compile it, make it understandable, and to publish and let people know that it exists. I never promised to force anyone to learn it or agree to it.

It's no one's right to know what's true, and in the end, it's only each person's responsibility to themselves to get it right. When you leave this rock, you'll know exactly what I mean by that.
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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by libertytoall
I'm just about done with the op calling the real science nonsense while spewing nonsensical babble. OP PLEASE SEE en.wikipedia.org...



for a given skill, incompetent people will: tend to overestimate their own level of skill
fail to recognize genuine skill in others
fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy
recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill


It explains your inability to accept other peoples critiques while spouting off fantasy based science which you claim to have come from research you're working on. I'm sorry but I think you should be researching psychologists for your enormous convoluted views of self genius all while being unable to communicate, take critique, learn from others.
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If you can debunk m - in any manner that is legitimate and is based on logic and reality - then please do so. I've been on this site for over 2 years and trying to find anyone that can actually do more than throw around platitudes and YouTube videos that go nowhere, and to date, no one's even touched any of what I've challenged them with. My research has included extremely focused efforts to get professionals and specialists in a variety of scientific and intellectual disciplines to vet (and ultimately tear apart) the tenets of this premise that I'm working from, but all I've ever gotten is either silence or muddled crap that can be obliterated within 20 minutes using Google and a limited knowledge of scientific vocabulary.

So, why don't you take it on and show me where I'm all screwed up here. I'll even send you a free book to rip into and completely debunk. Hell, I'll devote a month of my own time to you and your efforts to prove me wrong, and we can carry the whole process on via email, or phone or Skype or however you feel would be the best medium to use. And if you can prove that I am dead wrong, then I will pull my book from the shelves and walk off on the whole thing. I'll even post a thread about your success right here in this forum.

Think I'm kidding? I'm not. If what I've discovered is indeed wrong, and can be proven to be impossible (which would make it wrong) then I want to know that it is wrong. I don't want to be shilling something that leads people down a path that's going nowhere. I'd rather get back to my novels and goofball memoirs. They're a hell of a lot more fun, believe me.

U2U me and let me know if you really want to take the time and the effort to take this premise apart. You seem to feel as if you're certain that it's phony, so why not prove it. I'll definitely give you your due in public, and honor my promise to take the book off the market if you can succeed in proving that it's not possible and therefore not true. I can prove that all the other premises that have littered our world are literally impossible, but that's not what this is about. This is about me being hoodwinked here, and your ability to prove it to me.

So, let me know what you want to do, but do not waste my time by saying yes, and then punking out on me. I've had a few from this end of the Internet pull that cowardly routine on me after promising how easy it'll be to debunk what I have here. Big show and then nothing. Not even a reply to emails. Just slunk off and never showed again. Really pathetic.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by Americanist
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The dynamic processing of information you've relayed is commonly referred to as multiple personality disorder. Our brains create filters/ egos ahead of the subconsciousness to organize more effectively. In most cases the connections are seamless. For the less fortunate, those same filters/ egos stage a particular life of their own. In almost all cases the latter is brought on by extreme situations. The "reach" is a culmination of understanding often induced by the relaxation of giving where harmony receives a greater influx.


What I described is how your brain works. Period. Not dissociative identity disorder (newer term for multiple personality disorder). The Greeks referred to the mind as the observer, and knew that while it was a product of the brain, it was the not the brain itself. The brain is the corporeal event. The mind (when examining how the human brain works) is the hybrid event/information trajectory that is created by the brain to facilitate larger multi-assembly survival requirements that the DNA directives are not capable of managing. This isn't anything new. This is very old science. Maybe describing it in this manner is new to you, but any biologist would immediately recognize the truth in how I depicted how the brain works and why it exists.



Inside this conversation you've skipped straight to our subconscious without addressing the mind creating categorical buffers. It's not entirely old news... Some of what's been gathered has only recently been examined. I'll have to share when I find time.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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I'm opposed to any group or person purposely diverting others from the truth especially while we're able to visualize its extent topped off by a single phrase.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by NorEaster
 


The dynamic processing of information you've relayed is commonly referred to as multiple personality disorder. Our brains create filters/ egos ahead of the subconsciousness to organize more effectively. In most cases the connections are seamless. For the less fortunate, those same filters/ egos stage a particular life of their own. In almost all cases the latter is brought on by extreme situations. The "reach" is a culmination of understanding often induced by the relaxation of giving where harmony receives a greater influx.


What I described is how your brain works. Period. Not dissociative identity disorder (newer term for multiple personality disorder). The Greeks referred to the mind as the observer, and knew that while it was a product of the brain, it was the not the brain itself. The brain is the corporeal event. The mind (when examining how the human brain works) is the hybrid event/information trajectory that is created by the brain to facilitate larger multi-assembly survival requirements that the DNA directives are not capable of managing. This isn't anything new. This is very old science. Maybe describing it in this manner is new to you, but any biologist would immediately recognize the truth in how I depicted how the brain works and why it exists.



Inside this conversation you've skipped straight to our subconscious without addressing the mind creating categorical buffers. It's not entirely old news... Some of what's been gathered has only recently been examined. I'll have to share when I find time.


Somewhere in this thread I think that I did address the attribute tagging of residual information as it's gathered within the brain's "memory cloud" for ongoing application, and how the "personality process" is where the tagging occurs. If not, then maybe that'd be a good thread for the future. There's a pretty well-known research study that occurred in 2008 that provided the necessary lag time required to make this attribute categorizing possible, even if the study members themselves didn't catch on to what their own study was trying to indicate. It's really interesting when you dig into the process itself. Every corporeal brain builds its own version of that "memory cloud" of residual information as part of its survival strategy, but the Homo Sapien brain is unique due to how complicated and wide ranging the information can be. Regardless of whether the brain has deliberately accessed the information (conscious) or not (subconscious).



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist
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I'm opposed to any group or person purposely diverting others from the truth especially while we're able to visualize its extent topped off by a single phrase.


A lot of people are feeling that some sort of big change is coming. 2,000 years ago people were saying the same thing. Back then, it was because of the period shift (based on Astrology) from the Age of Aries to the Age of Pisces, with the new Jesus Mystery cult (a compelling version of the Mediterranean Region's God-Man Mystery religion that had several well-established versions at the time) adopting the Piscean fishes symbol to present itself as the big change everyone was expecting (it worked).

This time, the period shift at hand (again, based on Astrology) will close out the Age of Pisces and open the Age of Aquarius - which will probably have its own version of religion making the same sort of claim that the Jesus Mystery cult made back then. Maybe it'll work for them too. Who knows? When you really do the research, the entire religion/spiritualism, theology, philosophy structure that's been promoted over the last 1700 years has been amazingly destructive for well over 90% of the human race, and designed to be so. The only real shot we have this time around is that the modern world has the Internet and all that information that is completely available to everyone who cares enough to want to know what's real and true.

The tragedy of belligerent ignorance in these issues is not what it does to the lives of people, but what it does to those people after they've finished their corporeal lives. The afterlife (the human existence within the eternal realm) is not like the life you and I are experiencing here on Earth. Here, on this Earth and within this material realm, we have ways of establishing what's real and what's not real. This is true regardless of what threads around here insist. In the afterlife, these "reality anchors" simply don't exist. That realm is not material, but is informational, and the human being is only capable of subjective interpretation of perception. This presents the human being with a very significant weakness if it hasn't established ways of determining reality, or if it has embraced the notion that reality is whatever it perceives it to be. Consider the following scenario.

You believe that heaven and hell exist and all humans are sent to one or the other and for reasons that human beings will never actually be capable of truly understanding (this is pretty standard thought among Evangelical Christians). The day you die, you are met with god-knows-what and it convinces you that it is your afterlife greeter (whether an angel, or St. Peter, or maybe even Jesus), and you're surprised to suddenly learn that somehow you screwed up and you're now on your way to hell. "Many are called but few are chosen", and all that, I suppose.

So, how do you break free of that fate, if everything that you made of yourself from the instant of your corporeal life has been based on thoroughly embracing the premise that this specific heaven/hell assignment event was going to definitely occur when you finally left the material realm? Truth is that it's not very likely that you will. And let's say that the truth also is that the whatever-it-was that greeted you as either an angel, St. Peter, or even Jesus, was actually just another human being that knew exactly what you'd be anticipating and simply worked that narrative to have its way with you - hopefully, only until it gets bored with causing you misery for its own fun.

The number of plausible scenarios are substantial when you consider the obvious potential of human beings from other planets within this reality confine taking advantage of the ignorance of Earth's human race. I'm sure that there are humans that exist within the informational realm that are trying to deal with this sort of nasty thing, but how could any human effort be successful within that realm? Without reality anchors, there's no way to effectively combat delusion, and cognitive dissonance rises to overwhelming influence when no reality anchors exist to challenge it. It's really hard to battle it here. Imagine how hard it is to overcome there.

I'd love to see the "new period shift" be a change that makes that promotion of crippling ignorance a thing of the past, but I have to be realistic.
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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Did we informationally exist before this material/corporeal existence?

if we came to exist in the material world once, why would this not occur again? why would there only be one material realm? and infinite eternal informational realm? to experience existence in the informational realm is equally real and realistic as this physical material realm?



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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What is the substance of experience?

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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Did we informationally exist before this material/corporeal existence?


Human beings are the last naturally occurring manifestation of physical existence, and are the natural product of the corporeal human brain's activity (I've explained this already within this specific thread), so no...we didn't.


if we came to exist in the material world once, why would this not occur again?


You need to find the posts, within this thread, that deal with full reality confines, and the material and informational realms (one each) that exist within each full reality confine. Then you need to find the posts that deal with how the corporeal human brain creates the human being (in our specific case, from the Homo Sapien version of the corporeal human brain). After that, I can explain the fundamentals of Identity as the primordial means of establishing and preserving physical existence, and how violating those fundamentals is anathema to what it means to survive (and why nothing does this if it can help it), and with that, you should have your answer.


why would there only be one material realm? and infinite eternal informational realm? to experience existence in the informational realm is equally real and realistic as this physical material realm?


Again, go back into this thread and find the posts I suggested in my last response. There are also posts that describe the hybridization of material (event-centric) and information existence (or "dynamic information") and how it affected the eternal realm. There is dynamic experience within the eternal realm since the emergence of dynamic information, and when you leave this material realm (well, when your conscious perspective shifts from this realm, to be more accurate about the actual change) you'll be fully aware of the informational (eternal) realm. The human race on this planet decided to call that realm the spiritual realm, but it's one and the same regardless of the labels used. It's more accurate to label it the Informational Realm, though, since the greatest percentage of it consists of residual information in the form of this full reality confine's Informational Continuum.

That enormous mass of information includes the fact clusters that represent every occurrence that's ever occurred within this reality confine (many, many universes and dimensions and realms that we don't even know enough to imagine to exist) and every corporeal brain's individual "memory cloud" that does and has ever existed. The magnitude of static and accessible information is impossible to accurately comprehend, and collects more and more as each instant of "now" is replaced by the next instant of "now".

Keep in mind that the "Material Realm" consists of everything that is strictly event-based and occurring in an ongoing and directly associative manner (consecutive and congruent event trajectories) from each instant of "now" to the next and then on to the next as indivisible units of activity (Planck's Constant comes to this same conclusion, even though it deals with a very different application of that conclusion).

The "Informational Realm" consists of every bit of information that emerges or has emerged as a direct default result of each event unit (which is what the Material Realm consists of) existing for the period of "now" that each of those units exists before being replaced by the next unit. This default result is "the fact that each of those event units did - in fact - exist, and it will always be a fact that they did exist. These facts are information, and whether anyone ever records them on any medium (paper, digital, whatever) or not, they still exist as physical and permanent once they emerge as a direct result of the event units' existence. These fact clusters are information, and they collect and eventually establish the consistent and reliable basis of what we refer to as Reality. And as they collect, they become the Informational Realm, since....well....it's a realm that consists of 100% information-centric physical existence. Pretty uncomplicated, actually.

I hope that this quick overview helps, but there's a lot of further explanation right inside this thread already.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
What is the substance of experience?

youtu.be...


Experience is the translation of perception. When ruminated upon, it is the translation of a previous translation of perception. It's not factual. It's completely subjective.



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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
What is the substance of experience?

youtu.be...


Experience is the translation of perception. When ruminated upon, it is the translation of a previous translation of perception. It's not factual. It's completely subjective.



Does this mean that everything, every experience, is subjective and not factual?



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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perhaps its factual in that,, its is recognized as an event which is occurring in reality,, but subjective because the experiencer is not even able to know how he ought to view this experience in its totality,, he is not let in on all the information available,, he hardly knows what he is. he is left to bounce around his perceptions back and forth in his mind, judging everything he can, or some things, or nothing, new things, a few things,...its subjective , in that this person was born with no personal views of reality and its constituents, and now after experience, this person has created a personal map and key, and personality, to weave his way through this world and time.
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Does this mean that everything, every experience, is subjective and not factual?


when truth is freedom value, so objective positive superiority is due to freedom reality being an object truth

then freedom is normal always before any fact, while only individual absolute freedom is true
so whenever any move without being pushed to and without meaning smthg less absolutely free

freedom is beyond facts when truth is facts reason

what is beyond existence cannot b through what is less then it

truth exist yes as a proof of truth not that it is any that exist

enslaving freedom individually for lesser facts in lies then, is the edge of all times possessions for comfortable evil oness superiority

existence is all to object freedom reality, so always relation between different entities then existence cant ever b one
while all is saying existence being one freedom up and one individual cheap look of moving wills

existence is only objective reality it is never about individuals

freedom is to individuals rights
beyond any object reality there is one freedom as conscious stand still or result of realisation, freedom is the plus to existence that plus truth which is always



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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while also freedom truth is reversed, as being always the source, called love or wills

when freedom is exclusively any so always individually true and never a source

reversing existence and freedom in clearly defining existence being individuals and freedom being source

is proving evil being knowledge that truth is never a source nor one so clearly meaning reversing truth facts as individuals possessed by one evil freedom will

anyway what noone say the absurdity of obvious impossible premise prove evil oness possession of all

what is supposed to be the source of smthg cant mean to want it

even to mean making it is stupid absurdity, if u can do smthg u become immediately that ability result superiority

only when freedom mean objective superiority of else that freedom realize any but that what also confirm freedom being always relative character that is how it is out of absolute facts
how relative is beyond absolute in the realm of value while only absolute is to truth as truth is what is proven being from all reality

so relative is beyond absolute
like individual freedom is beyond existence
like positive absolute realisation is beyond superiority
like object is beyond concept
like truth conception is being real
like truth existence is objective reality freedom value
like truth superiority is freedom value in being nothing objectively n being everything individually, so truth superiority is surely due to the relative always presence of freedom value in any and all

what is absolutely nothing and absolutely everything is always relatively present in any and all



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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as if we didnt get it the first time,

as if this is my second line,



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