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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by NorEaster
I thought you said:
'So, yes, the instant of now is the only material thing that exists'.
Listen to what Alan Watts says:
youtu.be...edit on 27-3-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by NorEaster
But isn't matter just a slowed down speed of energy? What if this world is also mental / informational, it is just a slowed down version of what we call "source" or "the realm". Is it possible to come back here from the realm of information?
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by NorEaster
Perception tells us we're material, but we're not. We're activity that's in perfect sync with the rate of our own perception generation. I call us matrixed event trajectories. Matrixed layers of linear and orbital trajectories that combine to form the overall linear event trajectory that is our own event trajectory of physical existence - our life span. And literally everything that is physical is also a composition in the same exact manner. We see ourselves as solid, so we see it all as solid. And it is because we're perceiving in sync with all of it.
And that's what material existence is. It's structured action.
Sounds like a solid theory (excuse the pun).
A couple questions if you find time:
• In your opinion, if perception masks what the physical world really is, should we reject sensory experience as the path to an understanding of the universe and find more abstract conclusions?
• Would it be possible that this perception generation rate—like the body—could malfunction and result in a distortion in perception of the material world? If not, would we have to assume that perception isn't a natural occurrence of the body, but something separate and possibly eternal?
Thanks for the enjoyable read.
Originally posted by NorEaster
Perception is human conscious awareness, and is definitely produced by the corporeal brain, so you can't really say that it's not a natural occurrence of the body. It is, but physically it's separate from the body once it emerges. Like music is separate from the instrument once it is brought into existence by the instrument itself. I'm really glad that the very real analogy of the relationship between music and the instrument exists, because it makes conceptualizing this reality a little easier.
Originally posted by rwfresh
reply to post by NorEaster
I don't understand your use of the word "reality"
Reality is Actual. And a holographic perception of a reflection is not actual. Maybe in the context of a fantasy. Not suggesting that what you are dismantling is not logical. It is. But it is not Real in the context of Truth.
Whatever you perceive with your mind, whatever you label is not Truth. But again, your description and parable of the apparent non-reality we seemingly perceive is accurate. But.. we are not talking about Reality in the context of Truth.
It's useful to point out what is not Real. It's also easy when you admit none of it is. No one can prove Truth. Truth is it's own proof. Can a person prove themselves to their reflection in a mirror? And yet we pretend Truth itself will prove itself to what is obviously not real. We have no better tools because there are none. matter, information, energy, humans.. all holographic reflections of Reality.
"But we are conscious! We are something! We can wake up! We can know the Truth!" - the essence of our denial.
Try and prove Truth outside of Reality. That is the nature of this manifestation of non-reality. Denial. We are that by-product. And it does not exist in Reality. Truth is known to itself eternally.
Just remind yourself we are not God waking up or realizing ourselves into Reality. Or don't.. doesn't 'matter'.
edit on 28-3-2012 by rwfresh because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by arpgme
Originally posted by NorEaster
Perception is human conscious awareness, and is definitely produced by the corporeal brain, so you can't really say that it's not a natural occurrence of the body. It is, but physically it's separate from the body once it emerges. Like music is separate from the instrument once it is brought into existence by the instrument itself. I'm really glad that the very real analogy of the relationship between music and the instrument exists, because it makes conceptualizing this reality a little easier.
In this case, isn't information and potential energy the same thing? If the instrument exists, it has the potential of playing the music, so it is just "potential" that "could" manifest into reality through the instrumental.
It reminds me of the zero-point field where in the "void" there is still a wave of potential particles...
Energy itself cannot be measured by we can see its effects as it is manifested through waveforms in its transference...
Our brains produce consciousness and thoughts through the bio-electric waveforms transferred from one neuron to another. But the "energy" in the waveform is not physical but the waveforms are , but we know the energy exists because we can see its effects.
Maybe "information" is just another word for "energy", what do you think? You do say that the information realm is incompatible with the material, and energy is a scalar field/ quantity. It seems like it fits the description perfectly.
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Originally posted by NorEaster
I'm referring to physical reality. Stuff that actually exists. Perception exists. I'm not playing semantics games here. I'm describing actual things that physically exist.
Maybe you're being philosophical, but that doesn't mean that I am. I'm not being philosophical at all, and this thread is not at all about philosophy. I think you've wandered into the wrong discussion here.
Like I said, you're lost in a completely incompatible discussion here. You're welcome to believe what you want to, but your belief system isn't what's being discussed in this thread. Eastern philosophy has its own environment of examination, and while it's wonderful and fulfilling and all that, this thread is about material existence. Not about the esoteric search for ways of defining the battle between truth and denial.
You've just wandered into a formal black-tie dinner wearing a tan linen suit and deck shoes.
Originally posted by rwfresh
reply to post by NorEaster
I don't understand your use of the word "reality"
Reality is Actual. And a holographic perception of a reflection is not actual. Maybe in the context of a fantasy. Not suggesting that what you are dismantling is not logical. It is. But it is not Real in the context of Truth.
Whatever you perceive with your mind, whatever you label is not Truth. But again, your description and parable of the apparent non-reality we seemingly perceive is accurate. But.. we are not talking about Reality in the context of Truth.
It's useful to point out what is not Real. It's also easy when you admit none of it is. No one can prove Truth. Truth is it's own proof. Can a person prove themselves to their reflection in a mirror? And yet we pretend Truth itself will prove itself to what is obviously not real. We have no better tools because there are none. matter, information, energy, humans.. all holographic reflections of Reality.
"But we are conscious! We are something! We can wake up! We can know the Truth!" - the essence of our denial.
Try and prove Truth outside of Reality. That is the nature of this manifestation of non-reality. Denial. We are that by-product. And it does not exist in Reality. Truth is known to itself eternally.
Just remind yourself we are not God waking up or realizing ourselves into Reality. Or don't.. doesn't 'matter'.
edit on 28-3-2012 by rwfresh because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Americanist
Originally posted by rwfresh
reply to post by NorEaster
I don't understand your use of the word "reality"
Reality is Actual. And a holographic perception of a reflection is not actual. Maybe in the context of a fantasy. Not suggesting that what you are dismantling is not logical. It is. But it is not Real in the context of Truth.
Whatever you perceive with your mind, whatever you label is not Truth. But again, your description and parable of the apparent non-reality we seemingly perceive is accurate. But.. we are not talking about Reality in the context of Truth.
It's useful to point out what is not Real. It's also easy when you admit none of it is. No one can prove Truth. Truth is it's own proof. Can a person prove themselves to their reflection in a mirror? And yet we pretend Truth itself will prove itself to what is obviously not real. We have no better tools because there are none. matter, information, energy, humans.. all holographic reflections of Reality.
"But we are conscious! We are something! We can wake up! We can know the Truth!" - the essence of our denial.
Try and prove Truth outside of Reality. That is the nature of this manifestation of non-reality. Denial. We are that by-product. And it does not exist in Reality. Truth is known to itself eternally.
Just remind yourself we are not God waking up or realizing ourselves into Reality. Or don't.. doesn't 'matter'.
edit on 28-3-2012 by rwfresh because: (no reason given)
Follow along, if you will...
Reality: quantity or state of being real, a mathematically real quantity
Quantity: the subject of a mathematical operation measurable in increasing or decreasing magnitude
A hologram is a 3-dimensional 'image' reproduced from a pattern (a mathematical structure in this case).
The hologram is a product of waste in the form of heat (radiation). Heat happens to be a demodulator plus can be applied via pressure to form density. Hence, we have the substance known as matter.
In our Universe we find an element of energy and the continuous cycle of consciousness it derives from.
The only illusion is what you fail to perceive. Truth is the system at play... And btw, we never fall asleep.
Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by rwfresh
Please clarify what you're saying. Is it your level of understanding we come here with nothing... That in essence we are nothingness?
Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by Grifter81
So do you think us humans are the be all and end all? Are we existance?
No. I don't believe that I suggested it either. We are the ones who define things for ourselves. We translate what we perceive for each other. We invented the concept of the particle as being solid material, so we smash particles to find out what they're made of. Particles are matrixed event trajectories, and all material existence is composed of particles. Pretty simple actually.
Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by rwfresh
Based on your own observations what have you noticed about nature in general? What have you not noticed so far?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by rwfresh
There is something real and eternal but it is not a 'thing'. If it is a 'thing' then it is not it, that's why it is so hard to see. It is here presently as presence and is always present and when you do 'find' it you will be amazed.
It is the quiet that contains everything.
This short video might beable to help it be known.
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