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posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
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How do you suppose existence came into 'being' NE?


I'll be posting that overview in a few days. I'm getting tired of not having links to drop into debates, and that one is pretty fundamental to the stuff I get involved in here too. It involves non-physical qualifiers and the fact that even an absence of anything requires qualification as being what it is.


Sounds very interesting



I worry sometimes, with the new understandings...I guess some would label me as an atheists, but to me there is a source, that always was, is and will be...this is god to me...it doesnt have to be conscious or aware or what ever, it is just the whole of what is always being, the source. Do you think there is something, of a source? What is it that I feel so deeply that I call the Holy Spirit that guides my more deeper being...what is that magically synchronicity that occurs seemingly to show a matter of fact a purpose in a moment of time that would of seemed to be unexplainable by any of our understandings. I feel a source in everything, and it at the same time, is everything...it seems to be able to hold all the wisdom/information within the very design of existence....as my signature says, if there is a word of god somewhere....it would be in life itself, in the nature, in the design.

As I seem to demote 'god' to being simply a source that is always just what is, constantly being...never there would be nothing....this idea clearly changes my earlier definitions of what god would be, and the word, its so tainted that I would rather not even use the word as far as that goes. Just some personal rambles that Im expressing here lately and pondering....Im not sure that what I consider to be god, should be called god at all anymore.

But there is a source....or force...well its both, the source is the force...lol, my evening rambles.

Its a strange fear that I noticed when reading your avatar.....that it really does not matter in the end. As much as this could be so and I might even know it to be so
I think Ill remain the dreamer in that it does matter in the end


You always make me think! Love it!




posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Grifter81
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So we create what is by thinking this way? But what of before Planck and the Planck length. Anything smaller is supposed to make no physical sense but we just don't know?


It's called the Event Unit. It's very brief, especially since a photon itself is an organized matrixed event trajectory that includes many linear and orbital event trajectories that feature the emergence and replacement of countless Event Units that occur at the Unit Rate of Change. Poor Max Planck had no idea just how small the "quantum of action" truly is. Each emergence of the Event Unit (and they happen consecutively and concurrently constantly) lasts the entire span of time that we refer to as "now" until that Event Unit is replaced by the next Event Unit within that specific event trajectory. Countless trajectories (linear and orbital) happening at the same time and consecutively, with all of them in perfect sync with each other at the structural level and creating organized progressive development.

"Seeing" it is kind of like seeing those 3-D pattern pictures from the early 1990s. Until you first "see" the 3-D image for the 1st time in one of those pictures, you just can't see them. However, once you do....

Nothing's ever the same again, and reality starts opening right up to you. The implications just start answering question after question, even the biggest questions of all time. It's really amazing.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
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How do you suppose existence came into 'being' NE?


I'll be posting that overview in a few days. I'm getting tired of not having links to drop into debates, and that one is pretty fundamental to the stuff I get involved in here too. It involves non-physical qualifiers and the fact that even an absence of anything requires qualification as being what it is.


Sounds very interesting



I worry sometimes, with the new understandings...I guess some would label me as an atheists, but to me there is a source, that always was, is and will be...this is god to me...it doesnt have to be conscious or aware or what ever, it is just the whole of what is always being, the source. Do you think there is something, of a source? What is it that I feel so deeply that I call the Holy Spirit that guides my more deeper being...what is that magically synchronicity that occurs seemingly to show a matter of fact a purpose in a moment of time that would of seemed to be unexplainable by any of our understandings. I feel a source in everything, and it at the same time, is everything...it seems to be able to hold all the wisdom/information within the very design of existence....as my signature says, if there is a word of god somewhere....it would be in life itself, in the nature, in the design.

As I seem to demote 'god' to being simply a source that is always just what is, constantly being...never there would be nothing....this idea clearly changes my earlier definitions of what god would be, and the word, its so tainted that I would rather not even use the word as far as that goes. Just some personal rambles that Im expressing here lately and pondering....Im not sure that what I consider to be god, should be called god at all anymore.

But there is a source....or force...well its both, the source is the force...lol, my evening rambles.


There is a "source" that you're feeling, and it does have a physical presence that exists literally everywhere. It's not "god" and it's not conscious, but it does provide the existential anchor that is required for all that exists to develop and maintain existence. Within this reality confine, there's nothing more significant and it's been worshiped as God, the All, Allah, The Universal Consciousness, and other labels for a very long time by Earth's human beings - both corporeal and post-corporeal.


Its a strange fear that I noticed when reading your avatar.....that it really does not matter in the end. As much as this could be so and I might even know it to be so
I think Ill remain the dreamer in that it does matter in the end


I'm not exactly sure why I put that statement there originally, and maybe I need to rethink it. It actually does matter, although I might've been thinking about which manifestation of "God" a person worships or which version of decency a person embraces.


You always make me think! Love it!


Thanks. I appreciate that. Really.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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NorEaster

I think we are talking about the same thing. Take a look at this Paper. It is a private publication I send out to persons who think they have in mind what you are concluding.

Be prepared for a surprise. The God-Particle (basic building block) is not a particle. It has no mass and is not subject to gravity. It is essential in the formation of matter from the particle on up.


Link:
www.box.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">/www.box.com...



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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The cat in the box, just shifted NorEaster. Excellent thread!

Look forward to more on Max and your summaries.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by NorEaster
This isn't a philosophical exercise. This is the way reality is, and why you perceive it the way you perceive it. I'm posting this so that I can refer to it whenever I get into a debate concerning reality and the issue of perception versus objective reality.

The Unitary Basis

In 1900, Max Planck discovered that physical action could not take on any indiscriminate value. Instead, the action must be some multiple of a very small quantity (later to be named the "quantum of action" and now called Planck's constant). excerpt - en.wikipedia.org... While this observation proved to be true, the idea was pretty hard to conceptualize since the "quantum of action" was necessarily smaller than what exists as a result of its organized structure. And yet, the notion of Planck's constant is reflected in the fact that everyday objects and systems are also made of a large number of things. In fact, when one examines anything that exists, it reveals itself to be composed of a large number of lesser things regardless of what it is. And each of those lesser things is revealed to also be composed of smaller things. We know this already, but no one has ever been able to identify the smallest and most primordial unit of material existence.

Consistency is what establishes the dependability displayed in Planck's "quantum of action", and we can see that it also provides the dependability in atoms, molecules, cells, and literally every other expression of material existence. Consistency is ubiquitous, and let's face it, the only free-wheeling, inconsistent thing in existence is the human perception of what does and doesn't exist as real. The rest - including the brain that allows the human being to perceive at all - is relentlessly consistent, and regardless of how far down you pick something apart, you'll find structure, structure and more structure. This suggests that at the very bottom, you'll find the identical, indivisible unit - just like Planck did when he took action all the way down. After all, it was the identical, indivisible unit itself that caused Planck's Constant to be constant. It's inescapable. Consistency of unit size and quality is how structural consistency is accomplished, and it was proven with Planck's "quantum of action" theory. The material world, therefore, is clearly based on the identical, indivisible unit as well.

But, What Is Material Existence?

Here is where the truth about reality starts shifting from traditional notions, and yet, it retains quite a bit of what we just went over. In fact, it retains a lot more of what we just went over than you might expect, and that's where the novelty concerning material existence starts revealing itself.

You see, Max Planck established more than he'll likely ever be credited with, and more than he actually understood with his theory. In establishing the consistency of action, he also established the sub-structure of material existence, even though he'd have rejected such a claim if presented with it. But then Max never took the impact of human perception, the actual generation process that creates human perception, and applied how that impact and that process affect the fact that humanity is the sole definer of material existence - at least when it comes to how humans define material existence (which seems terribly obvious when you put it that way). In essence, what human beings perceive is a direct result of how they perceive, and how they perceive is directly related to how they perceive themselves to be. All perception is compared to what the human being knows or assumes to be true. We know this, but here's how it affects our definition of material existence.

We know that we're material in nature. We're as solid and physically dependable as everything around us. And while that's true, we also know that we are a composition of cells that are a composition of molecules that are a composition of atoms that are 99.9% open space between particles that are also composed of lesser particles. And the particle smashers know that these particles are composed of many lesser particles and quarks and stuff they haven't even named yet. And it's this fact of how we are structured that brings us back to Max Planck and his theory concerning the consistency of structure involving the "quantum of action".

But, now we're dealing with particles...right?


I think that in 1,000 years we will be able to move a group of atoms from one place to another with our mind. There is evidence that this has been done by at least one human til the present day. They were talking about from Roswell, that the aliens guided the craft with their minds. Perhaps wearing a a helmet with fiber optics that read the powerful mind of these ETs.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 11:22 PM
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While some are born to dazzle... Others form outlines I guess!


Path to higher consciousness begins with childlike innocence.

Promote action to gain various types of understanding.

Condense units of such understanding to council.

Integrate this council into a single director.

Utilize director to reach out to others.

Reach out to others via sacrifice.

Become sacrifice to expand.

Expand to unite as "One."



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 02:58 AM
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I know all this to be true, NorEaster. However, I just wish there was a way I could apply it and shatter all my limiting ideologies. There is a huge difference in knowing something intellectually and experiencing something and being able to live it. I am only ever able to know these things from afar.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Aronolac
NorEaster

I think we are talking about the same thing. Take a look at this Paper. It is a private publication I send out to persons who think they have in mind what you are concluding.

Be prepared for a surprise. The God-Particle (basic building block) is not a particle. It has no mass and is not subject to gravity. It is essential in the formation of matter from the particle on up.


Link:
www.box.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">/www.box.com...


Thanks. This looks interesting. You'd be surprised at how much of this basic information is present within ancient knowledge sources and purposely hidden beneath allegory and myth to protect it from elimination or corruption. Even the Christian bible contains many direct references to why this specific reality confine exists, while masking these references within elaborate narratives that had been knocking around the Mediterranean Sea region for centuries. I'm not inventing this stuff. I'm just reinterpreting it using the technical and scientific understanding that we have as 21st century people. The mysticism that was used centuries ago was those people's version of technical knowledge. If they could've had the Internet and the information that we have, they would've used it and their descriptions of this stuff would be pretty similar to what I've put together.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by greyer

I think that in 1,000 years we will be able to move a group of atoms from one place to another with our mind. There is evidence that this has been done by at least one human til the present day. They were talking about from Roswell, that the aliens guided the craft with their minds. Perhaps wearing a a helmet with fiber optics that read the powerful mind of these ETs.


Residual information, by direct ramification and contextual precedence, manages (by default alone) all activity that makes up the material realm, and that's important to realize when considering what you're suggesting. The human mind is 100% information (albeit, a very different form of information than the simple residual data that manages activity) and as physicists admit, information is the key to how activity organizes and manifests. This does mean that the human mind is absolutely capable of directly affecting whatever it is that exists as a result of activity's organization and manifestation. And since the entire material realm exists as a result of that, then yes, the human mind is capable of directly affecting the entire material realm as a driver of activity.

It takes being freed of the management of the corporeal human (Homo Sapien) moment-to-moment survival effort, (it's a lot of constant effort) but that happens as soon as the Homo Sapien body and brain dies and the fully developed human being (we refer to it as the human mind, the spirit, the soul, and other names) is freed to carry on its new existence within the Informational Realm (or spirit realm if you prefer the traditional terminology). Once freed, the human being is presented with a whole new array of tools, but only if that human being realizes it. If not, then it can remain powerless and even imprisoned by its own ignorance of what it possesses as capabilities and potentials. This is the danger in not establishing the truth concerning what is real, what is not real, and how to determine which is which.

In the material realm, the human mind is presented with "reality anchors" and by getting to know what they are, and (through the comparing/contrasting capacity of the mind-brain partnership) gaining a broader understanding of reality as a whole, it can be generally determined what is possible and what isn't possible by the time the human being has been finally released into the informational realm and it's final stage of physical existence. This isn't by design, since the human being (that final informational being, not the body and brain) can only come into existence as a direct result of the brain's activity, but it is one of the advantages of how the human being physically develops. The material realm is tightly structured, and that structure does enable the human being (the mind) to learn the difference between real and unreal, possible and impossible, and what it takes to tell the difference.

Without it, the human capacity for delusion (the downside of complete freedom of perception interpretation) would be its ultimate vulnerability, with all human beings crippled by any variety of cognitive dissonances. As it is, most fully developed humans wander the informational realm completely lost in their own interpretation of what is real as benevolent and/or malevolent "guides" (other human beings who did learn what these poor souls should've learned while still working with brains and corporeal reality anchors) lead them to where they'll be best suited, or applied for most advantage, depending, of course, on the agenda of the guides themselves.

There really is a danger in seeing this material realm as an illusion. The truth is that the eternal realm can easily become the illusion for most human beings. This is due to the nature of human perception and the lack of "reality anchors" within the informational realm. This is why I get aggressive within those types of treads. Getting that concern turned around 180 degrees is what can imprison people after they've left this material realm. I don't know how else to emphasize just how dangerous that one specific belief can be for the average person, and the fact that it's so aggressively pushed on us from the humans that have reached back to "enlighten" us concerning the eternal realm is a really bad indication that it's promoted with a very definite agenda by those specific humans and many others that are just like them. People don't change when they die, they just use different ways to get what they want. I never forget that one fact of human nature.

I've decided that I'll occasionally post technical threads concerning all of this, since it's better that this information at least gets out than that I sell a ton of books. The proof does exist, and while I can only thumbnail concepts here, at least it'll be here as a reference for anyone who wants to do further research into what I've uncovered. Maybe it'll help.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
I know all this to be true, NorEaster. However, I just wish there was a way I could apply it and shatter all my limiting ideologies. There is a huge difference in knowing something intellectually and experiencing something and being able to live it. I am only ever able to know these things from afar.


Internalizing the information is not easy. I still struggle with it myself. What is important is to map it all out for yourself in whatever manner works best for you. I have one friend that simply couldn't internalize the information until I sat with her and sketched it all out with diagrams. And when it suddenly hit her, I could tell. The "aha moment" that accompanies the breakthrough is pretty dramatic for some people. She started laughing and then it progressed into crying for her. The enormity of what actually exists and how it exists can be pretty shattering. For her, it landed like a complete visualization of everything as it really is, right in front of her in vectors, geometric shapes and designs, implications and ramifications, and it stunned her. Then, when I said "and that's just what's happening at this specific instant" she kind of buckled under the weight of it all. And that's when she started laughing and then crying.

A couple days later, when I related that to the true nature of information and how it affects all of it and is affected by all of it and how it all works together to create and develop reality, she had the same reaction again. The truth is much more overwhelming than some mystical narrative. Mainly because once you conceptualize it in a way that allows you to internalize it as reality, it immediately becomes recognizable in a way that no other body of information can. Your brain instantly recognizes it and informs your mind that "Yes, this is it! This is real!" because it details what the brain itself understands about its own physical structure. It agrees with its own DNA and that's an extremely powerful verification when dealing with the brain's own inherent need for accurate interpretation.

This information has centered me in a way that I don't generally bother people with as a testimony. Nothing can worry me, nothing can scare me, and nothing can intimidate me. It's a pretty calm feeling you get when you're no longer guessing about what's real. No amount of faith can do that for you, no matter what the marketing literature claims.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist
While some are born to dazzle... Others form outlines I guess!


Path to higher consciousness begins with childlike innocence.

Promote action to gain various types of understanding.

Condense units of such understanding to council.

Integrate this council into a single director.

Utilize director to reach out to others.

Reach out to others via sacrifice.

Become sacrifice to expand.

Expand to unite as "One."


You mentioned Childlike Innocence and I thought of my favorite author and teacher of metaphysics William Samuel. Here is a link to a short audio about 'Childlikeness" -- I think you will like this guy, he's quite brilliant!


www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Crap scan me a diagram will kinkos do that, if not ... no really , will you continue posting on this thread?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Sweetmystery

Originally posted by Americanist
While some are born to dazzle... Others form outlines I guess!


Path to higher consciousness begins with childlike innocence.

Promote action to gain various types of understanding.

Condense units of such understanding to council.

Integrate this council into a single director.

Utilize director to reach out to others.

Reach out to others via sacrifice.

Become sacrifice to expand.

Expand to unite as "One."


You mentioned Childlike Innocence and I thought of my favorite author and teacher of metaphysics William Samuel. Here is a link to a short audio about 'Childlikeness" -- I think you will like this guy, he's quite brilliant!


www.youtube.com...


The Time is Now... Speaking in terms of "childlike," reality is more of a flip-book we illustrate our experiences with. This isn't my first encounter with NorEaster, so I doubt he'll mind: System of Truth


It does help to have an outline and/ or visualization. For me, it was sitting in a room full of unfamiliar faces, a couple of hundred in fact, listening to their stories. The overlay to consciousness... Something resembling a child's toy. Imagine that!



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist
While some are born to dazzle... Others form outlines I guess!


Path to higher consciousness begins with childlike innocence.

Promote action to gain various types of understanding.

Condense units of such understanding to council.

Integrate this council into a single director.

Utilize director to reach out to others.

Reach out to others via sacrifice.

Become sacrifice to expand.

Expand to unite as "One."
long as your talking about self sacrifice. Im with ya ...IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT SACRIFICEING OTHERS .bE IT THERE lifes .or beleif systems or there life saveings Im agin ya. The only kind of sacrifice that means a damm is self sacrifice ,An Self promotion is less than useless it should be expunged from the capabilites that man have learnt to use ,Self recomendation is no recomention as me dear ild mum wouls say.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 09:47 PM
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For the sake of clarity:

Reach out to others - Extend a helping hand



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 02:42 AM
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Do you have a Masters, or PhD in physics? I have a notion, but want to be fair and check with you.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:44 AM
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I've decided that I'll occasionally post technical threads concerning all of this, since it's better that this information at least gets out than that I sell a ton of books. The proof does exist, and while I can only thumbnail concepts here, at least it'll be here as a reference for anyone who wants to do further research into what I've uncovered. Maybe it'll help.

Hi NE. Yes. It will help.



Internalizing the information is not easy. I still struggle with it myself. What is important is to map it all out for yourself in whatever manner works best for you.

I've read your work twice now (and hopefully a third time soon when time permits) and follow your posts pretty much every day here on ATS.

However I've yet to think I am worthy of participating in your technical* conversations like these, because mainly when information sinks in (and I understand it in my hermit-like, right-brain-way) - it just kinda hangs there and I can't get it to travel from there, back down to my mouth where I can verbalise it into some sort of laymans terms. I just end up sitting here gaping like a fish trying to put words into what I've just read.

BUT every time you post something like this, it sinks in a little more, and a little more, and a little more. Until hopefully one day I'll have that "aha moment" and be able to relay it back to myself.

So regarding the OP, the one-liner that I have is...
yes I agree with you.



edit on 25/3/2012 by Netties Hermit because: Just the technical stuff mind you. The other is




posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 07:02 AM
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'Things' only become 'things of matter' if they matter to you, otherwise they pass by without thought.
Thinking is 'thinging'.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by Sweetmystery

Originally posted by Americanist
While some are born to dazzle... Others form outlines I guess!


Path to higher consciousness begins with childlike innocence.

Promote action to gain various types of understanding.

Condense units of such understanding to council.

Integrate this council into a single director.

Utilize director to reach out to others.

Reach out to others via sacrifice.

Become sacrifice to expand.

Expand to unite as "One."


You mentioned Childlike Innocence and I thought of my favorite author and teacher of metaphysics William Samuel. Here is a link to a short audio about 'Childlikeness" -- I think you will like this guy, he's quite brilliant!


www.youtube.com...


The Time is Now... Speaking in terms of "childlike," reality is more of a flip-book we illustrate our experiences with. This isn't my first encounter with NorEaster, so I doubt he'll mind: System of Truth


It does help to have an outline and/ or visualization. For me, it was sitting in a room full of unfamiliar faces, a couple of hundred in fact, listening to their stories. The overlay to consciousness... Something resembling a child's toy. Imagine that!


How material structure manifests is definitely a subject worth examining, but my own focus is on the drivers, imperatives and qualifiers that force the emergence and structure of material existence. It's the "why" that I'm most involved in examining. This is mainly because physical existence can be expressed in a wide variety of ways depending on the contextual aspects that are featured within a given relative reality confine. The drivers, imperatives an qualifiers are consistent regardless of the specifics, and that's why my focus is there. It's much more determinable.





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